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11/2/09 4:56 P

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Ditto the Oregon coast AND the San Juan Islands. The scenery is beautiful! The shoulder is non-existent!

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11/2/09 4:51 P

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When I ride for pleasure, I can pick really wide roads, and bike trails, and pretty much stay away from trouble.
When I'm riding to work, I'm just like any driver- I just want to get where I'm going in the most efficient manner that I can. I'll ride the road that is most direct, with the fewest stop signs, like any car. I keep to the right, unless I'm going to make a left turn, and like that. I've had a couple of brushes with cars- but heck, I've had some trouble as a pedestrian- and had many more close calls as a driver with other cars.
The bike rider that tweaks my shorts is the one who wants to take a full lane, unless HE is passing at stop lights.... ok, so you know you can share a lane when YOU want to, why not when you are moving with the cars?
Hmmmm.
Coastal CA Hwy 101 is touted as a great bike ride- there are all kinds of bike riders on it. It's nuts. There is no shoulder, and sometimes the white right line is in gravel, cause the road is so narrow. What is the state thinking, selling bikers on using it? That is a 'for fun' ride???? that is a killer.
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11/2/09 4:29 P

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I think university towns are likely to be "bike friendly." Only a few people know me enough to know my Texas remark is sarcasm (I'm not from here!). I started to edit again. . . but I'd never stop.

Exactly right about knowing where to ride your bike--who wants to be dead right?

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11/2/09 4:12 P

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I like riding my bicycle and I live pretty close to Gainesville, FL which is considered a pretty bike friendly town (I think it's because of all the bike lanes they have). But every few weeks someone gets killed or mangled riding a bike in town. I ride a mountain bike and have been known to ride in areas with out a bike lane but I ride against traffic (I know it's illegal) and watch for cars and get off on to the grass when a car comes my way. I don't even like to ride in the bike lanes because of cars not paying attention and meandering through the lanes. For me it's not a matter of what rights we have but how likely am I to die riding next to the big fast cars.

Also, I know I would not appreciate having to slow to 5 mph to sit behind a bike. Personally, I don't think it should be legal for bikes to be on the road with cars, in the interest of safety and the rights of people to be able to do close to the speed limit.

But that's just me...

Edited by: SALEE100 at: 11/2/2009 (16:14)
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11/2/09 3:54 P

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Normal, nice "humanoids" still rant at bikers--cars used to own the road, even though the law, as I knew it, was that bikers have the same rights and are supposed to follow the same rules. Allan probably rants if I'm not with him, "even" though this Saturday he'll be biking 60 miles himself (I'm proud of/for him.) (Just noticed I say "even" a lot.)

You have to be daring to ride in some of the places. I've heard a biker tell of drivers doing nasty things, whizzing by almost brushing them, honking, and that the bikers will ride 2 abreast, filling up the lane, in retaliation--way too scary for me! (That was an ex-cop teaching traffic school--)

As a biker, having the law on your side is not much protection from a monster truck, or 'even' any kind of car.



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11/2/09 1:30 P

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Wow...I don't have any answers, but it stirs a lot of emotion in me. I quit riding my bike on a few roads that I used to regularly go on because of my experiences driving those same roads. One distracted phone call, crying child, sun in the eyes, etc. and I would be road kill. My best friend, who is NOT a biker, and who is generally a wonderful person, has further scared me by her attitude towards bikers. When she's driving, she's always ranting at bikers. I keep trying to show her the alternative point of view. Knowing that she is a decent humanoid and STILL has this attitude keeps me on the bike paths or WIDE shoulder/bike lane roads of my area.

In Seattle there used to be mangled bikes (from accidents) spray painted white, and displayed at intersections where there had been an incident. It was freaky...ghost bikes.


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11/2/09 12:22 P

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I know this will be long. I'll break it up into distinct parts. My city is bike friendly. There's a huge university (the biggest--it's Texas). My license plate, on my last car, had Lance Armstrong on it and said "Share the road, y'all." It's Lance's hometown, after all (Austin).

The new law is that cars allow 3' between them and any bicycle they're passing, don't cut bikers off when making right turns, and more. That's important. We've had two deaths in the past year from that happening (doesn't sound friendly--there are still a**holes, and careless normal folks).

My question, or just an experience to relate, is, on a stretch of country road, with development all around it, just the last piece of old road left, there is no bike lane, and in the morning, with heavy traffic into town, the sun is right in your face, making a bad glare. The speed is slow, 45, but there are hills and curves, and no shoulder. There are alternate routes available, but people still drive this way into work.

Allan was driving, with the sun in his face, and realized there was a bicycle just as we overtook it. It really startled us. I had been watching, and hadn't seen him either until we were ON HIM. We missed him fine--no problem. There was no oncoming car at the moment Allan swerved (whew). I was sitting right there and saw it, or wouldn't believe it. That biker was as good as invisible because of the angle of the sun.

According to the new law, we would have to stay behind him and not pass, if there were oncoming traffic. Traffic would back up for miles almost immediately. Maybe this is my answer. Traffic jams caused will force more action to alleviate the problem ( ? )

Any input from our bicyclists? Allan was so shaken after that "Why is he riding there?" We're a long way from "equality." There aren't many drivers who will sit still (or at 5 mph) for this. WAR.

(The biker has as much "right" to take this road as the cars. Before the new law, cars could squeeze past the bike, slowly, within about 1 foot of him).

(I'm blurring issues. You can't stay safely back from a biker you can't even see in the glare. . .
I'm sure he didn't know he was invisible, either.)

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