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6/5/09 2:48 P

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Just read this topic thru from first to last and I'm replying mostly so I can keep following along with new postings. Fascinating group you all are! I shall enjoy your company in that cold/hot great beyond!
(Maybe next time I'll add a profound quote or two as well!)
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Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
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These are my principles. If you donít like them, Iíve got others.
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COFFEEDIVA's Photo COFFEEDIVA Posts: 745
6/5/09 2:18 P

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JulCat, this was such a good quote / observation, I'm going to repeat it: "Trying to reduce can be just as obsessive as trying to be good (and make everyone else be good) for Jesus."

I'm going to have to meditate on this one, like a good koan. How are spiritual perfection and physical perfection similar / different? Oooh, so interesting.


"Do What You Love; the Money Will Follow." (That's the title of a book I love -- and I'm working on getting the gumption to believe it!)


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6/5/09 11:47 A

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Trying to reduce can be just as obsessive as trying to be good (and make everyone else be good) for Jesus.
I did the OE, WW, and my own starving plan. This is the first time of success that feels like it is a way of life. The others made me feel that I was only empowered when I followed the program. If I slipped, I was weak and needed to beat myself up (confess and beg forgiveness).

I understand that hell is very nice in the summer, but chilly in the winter. Since I live in Yuma AZ, I plan on taking an overcoat.
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This is for health and starving is NOT an option.


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6/5/09 11:43 A

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Oh, I think I understand you, Boo. Sometimes posts are misleading and inadequate. I definitely agree with you on the points you were making to your friend, rather than cutting out all foods you like forever, being helpless.

I imagine you had more influence than you could tell at the time. Maybe Jesus will let her know he will help her to be strong!





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6/3/09 7:45 P

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I was worried about HER, telling herself that she was weak and had to get "sober" and then never touch a bite of food "that she really wants" or else she would be out-of-control. All or nothing, forever. That's a lot of deprivation.

I wish Jesus would let her know that she has the ability to kick some old habits to the curb and give herself a break. How do we grow, if we don't think we CAN? I was half-way kidding about the "jab". I'll stop worrying about her. If she says she's OK, then she's OK.

I always make stuff about me, too. We make things about us to illustrate our points.
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The way you handle those concerned about your future life in hell is definitely an emotionally healthy way to think about it.

I guess I'll see you in hell.
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Edited by: BARBARA_BOO at: 6/3/2009 (20:56)
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6/3/09 6:39 P

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It doesn't sound like there was any jab there to me.

Your friend just didn't have any other way to put into words -- if you don't believe, she can't help you -- only Jesus can!!

To me, it's always about heaven or hell, and I want to say 'Don't worry, mom-family-whoever.' They just don't want me to burn in hell, that's all.


"Thanks, anyway. . ."

Boo, I don't know about your friend - - sorry I just made it about me. It will always be the same. They believe in hell, and I'm gonna go there!

P.S. I like your very rational, sensible approach to the overeating problem. It's taking responsibility, instead of turning it over to Jesus!

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6/3/09 5:42 P

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The egg substitute and Laughing Cow DOES sound good. Thanks for that one.
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BARBARA_BOO's Photo BARBARA_BOO Posts: 9,794
6/3/09 5:26 P

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I think the BELIEVERS have a difficult time.

I tried to convince a friend to stay away from Overeaters Anonymous and avoid going down the "I'm TOO WEAK AND COMPULSIVE to EVER make a decision without JESUS" road. She is convinced something is wrong with her, that she is an addict and always will be, and that she just NEEDS discipline and HER FAITH to get her SOBER.

I tell her there's nothing wrong with her, that she has some bad habits like coping with stress with compulsive eating instead of solutions, that she can eventually replace those habits with something healthier. I tell her it takes time to exchange old habits for new and that she can learn to make choices that will help her live her life to the fullest.

I tell her I was the worst out-of-control food obsessed ho anywhere, that I am different than I was, and that I can now eat anything in a reasonable serving size, even the "GOOD STUFF", and still LOSE WEIGHT.

I tell her it's a relief to now be able to eat great food right in front of people, instead of HIDING IN A BATHROOM or closet to eat too much of a secret stash, which always caused weight gain, regret and self-hatred.

I tell her it's possible to resist my temptations to overeat because I've planned and prepared healthy snacks and meals "that I like" ahead of time, so that they're available when I need them. I wanted to give her hope.

SHE SAYS she's glad I've changed and that I can't possibly understand why she has to rely on her FAITH and her VALUES. So, that's that.

Was there a subtle JAB at the atheist there? Hmmm...

Edited by: BARBARA_BOO at: 6/3/2009 (17:39)
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6/3/09 5:02 P

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I use protein powder in my smoothies when I make them - plain low fat yogurt, protein powder, frozen fruit and maybe some Splenda & ice cubes. I've also been known to add protein powder to my oatmeal but this morning I cooked the oatmeal in almond milk and my total breakfast had about 25 grams of protein.

I also will take egg beaters, 3/4 of a cup or the equivalent of 3 eggs, break up some Laughing Cow Cheese into it and nuke it for 1.5 mins., stir, nuke again til cooked to my taste - perhaps another minute. Then I add whole wheat toast it's yummy!

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6/3/09 4:53 P

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Do you use protein powder?

I eat eggs sometimes, and I like the southwestern-flavored egg substitues, but I don't like eating them often. It's not the cholesterol, there are too many other foods I like better.

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6/3/09 4:27 P

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I did a little googling on the protein and 65% more calories and couldn't find anything to substantiate it so I tend to not believe that. Now, you should eat protein at every meal because your body needs a certain amount eat day and can handle just about 35-50 grams per meal depending on your size, sex and muscle mass. Any excess protein can't be stored like carbs are as glycogen to be used by your muscles later on so excess protein immediately gets stored as fat. :)

Your breakfast should include protein because protein takes a while to digest and it will help you stay feeling full longer. Accompany that protein with some healthy fats and complex carbs like whole wheat toast and/or fruit and you have the perfect breakfast.

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6/3/09 3:53 P

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I heard this morning on TV, eating protein at breakfast can make you burn 65% more calories for the day. I already was trying protein at breakfast, but don't know if I can BELIEVE this about the 65%.

I wonder if the believers have it easier.

Coffediva, good luck on your 5K Saturday.

Loegaire, that's funny. That's my song, and Weight Watcher's meetings are my church.

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6/3/09 3:42 P

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Wasn't that an REM song? "Reducing My Religion"

Do not try and think outside the box. Instead, only try to realize the truth. There is no box.
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6/3/09 3:14 P

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If reducing's like religion, no wonder I'm having such a tough time! I just can't bring myself to "BELIEVE"!!!!!

"Do What You Love; the Money Will Follow." (That's the title of a book I love -- and I'm working on getting the gumption to believe it!)


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6/3/09 3:00 P

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One year with a college roommate in Jews for Jesus finished off the last bit of my Baptist upbringing. I sampled Unitarianism, Science of Mind, Unity, and Catholicism before finally coming out as a Heathen - I mean Hee-thurn.

I also dabbled in Paganism and Buddhism. I understand how people can turn to any of these philosophies or whatever they're called, including Wicca.

Though it might look like a Christmas tree in my photo, it really is a Pagan tree.

When I noticed I got fat, I dabbled in Weight Watcher's, Low Carb, Alternate Day Diet, and read a bunch of diet books without settling on any one program. I don't think I could settle on just one.
(Alright, maybe Sparkpeople).

Honestly, I'm just doing my own thing!



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