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Can it be done - oh sure - there are always challenges out there - Goofy Challenge - Bermuda Triangle Challenge yadda yadda yadda........

At my age and experience with hurting myself - I would not do it.

I have been injured and it stinks! The recovery is always long and hard and a big set back!



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2/8/15 11:40 A

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When I first read the title of this post, I thought to myself "that's crazy" NOT "dumb"! But before I even read the first post, as I was thinking about the idea of back to back HMs, I realized that it was no different than running a full marathon. Essentially, it's like running a full marathon but with some hours of rest in between, so I definitely think that there's nothing wrong with your plan. I think it's a smart way of training for the full marathon. I know I would like to run a full marathon one day but I don't feel confident enough. However, your idea sounds like a way to venture in to the full marathon so one day when I'm seriously thinking of doing a marathon, I might consider this idea of back to back HMs. If I can pull that off, I think I'll be ready, thanks for posting this and best of luck, you can do it!

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1/26/15 6:40 A

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The PA Grand Canyon is beautiful place to visit. If you like hiking there is plenty of hiking to be had and if you like biking there is a wonderful rail trail that goes through the bottom and follows the Pine Creek, just gorgeous! I am making a nice long weekend of this race and renting a cabin.

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1/25/15 9:23 P

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I don't know if you're crazy or not, but that looks like an amazing pair of races. I'm only about an hour and half from there and am seriously considering at least one of them. As close as it is, I've never visited, and it looks beautiful! Though I don't know what my family will say about that.

Oh, and I'm almost 51, too, and that part about the knees and the addiction sounds like something that would come from my mother.

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1/9/15 5:33 A

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Ha ha Pasta, I get it. I like to keep myself regulated where that is concerned. I normally wake up about 2 hours before I have to be anywhere because I like to ease into my day. My body and mind seem to like this. No stress of rushing.

In the past I have usually eaten either Shredded Wheat or Raisin Bran and a banana before a long run or a half. I use Stinger chews and sometimes I chew on some "energy trail mix kind of chunks" that I get at the health food store, during the runs for something a little more solid. After the run whatever fresh fruit is around and a chocolate milk. Get a shower. Have a light lunch, turkey wrap with some veggies thrown in and then lay down and just rest for a couple of hours, usually ends in a nap. (ice baths, I have not done but some folks swear by them. The closest I come is a swim in the lake after a long run, which I LOVE!) Dinner is something usually a little more substantial but nothing fatty or heavy and maybe some wine.
Throw in some Ibuprofen and sips of water throughout the day, and that's about it.

Of course all this is with knowing the next day is an easy day.What do I change knowing the next day is a hard day? Maybe not much except to rest as much as possible and train for the event.

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1/8/15 7:44 P

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You raise good questions. What you eat may well depend on your GI system. I'd be most concerned with timing your poop (and I mean this in all seriousness) as you surely want to eat as much as possible while not overloading your system to the point that you end up with a full and sluggish gut on race day morning. So you may want to eat less than you normally might after a HM.

It might help to hear what you normally eat in the day or two (and morning of) a HM.

Personally, after HM 1, I'd eat a modest meal, take some ibuprofen (which I normally wouldn't but you want to get any inflammation down quickly, right? but then I don't have experience doing ice baths, sounds like you do?) go right to sleep mid-day, wake up later in the evening, eat another modest meal, and go back to bed, and then wake up the following morning ready to go for round 2.

But I'm just writing this off the top of my head. I'll be interested to see what others suggest. And since people have mentioned other events that are structured around back-to-back HMs, sounds like there might be a wealth of experience out there that could provide real advice based on actual experience of back-to-back races.


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1/8/15 7:27 P

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Well there is a 4 hour time limit for starters and I am sure that I can make that easily on both days. I like your idea Mary, of training with longer runs back to back. I will do that.

Really I don't think or feel that this is extreme, I think that I can do it. I think that I will try and aim for about a 2.75 - 3 hour finish on both days. My best half time is 2:29.

One question that I do have is what do I after the first to recover quickly and be ready for the second? Obviously rest is on the list, what should I eat? Some protein and carbs? Chicken and salad? Rice and Beans with salad? Any thoughts? Ice bath i.e. jump in the ice cold creek? Nice walk along the creek? Sit my hiney down and read a book?

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1/8/15 3:12 P

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Go for it! I would put in a couple of long runs back to back to prepare. I was about to sign up for the Seabrook Pelican challenge with is back to back HMs. I would love to challenge myself the extra miles and endurance without actually doing a marathon, not yet in my near future.

You are NOT crazy, by all means. Do consider that it might not be the best way to train for your marathon, unless you scale back the pace a bit and consider them training runs as opposed to races.

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1/6/15 6:28 A

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I have a few reasons that I think I would enjoy this race and although it is not technically written in any training plan, I thought that it sounded like a challenging event to run and help build me to the full that I want to do in the fall.

It is mostly on dirt road in the forest at the PA Grand Canyon. I have hiked here lots over the years and it is a beautiful area that I always love going back to. While it may not seem like much of a challenge to some people, it is a reason for me to train. When I say train, I really mean motivation to get my rear out there and do the work to keep my weight down and my mood mostly up.

I am not a fast runner by any means and I never will be. I have severe asthma and a torn acl in my right knee so I do have to pace myself to meet these challenges. My fastest, if you want to call that, time for a half is just under 2.5 hrs. I certainly don't expect to make any records on this run. I will have to pace myself for completing them and that will be good enough for me.

I guess that I feel extremely lucky to be where I am today and to physically be able to the things that I do. Comparing myself only to myself, I am freaking awesome to have gotten to this point. I am nervous about every race that I sign up for but yet I feel courageous and proud that I have pushed myself outside of my own little world to become who I am becoming.

I ask you all for your thoughts because I know you understand where I come from and you have real life experience and advice to help get me to the starting line as well as the finish line. You all help me believe in myself. Thank you!

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1/5/15 10:18 P

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I think it's all in the training, the pacing, and your goals. I have a sister who ran back to back half marathons for a 2-part finisher's medal; her event was called a "Double Half Mary." But she's not in speed competition, did Galloway run-walk intervals, and regarded that event as her marathon.

I suspect that most people who are capable of training up to marathon distance will be capable of running back to back half marathons. The questions arise with how to pace them, as there isn't a large body of common experience to draw on for this sort of thing.

I think that with my training level right now, I could run 13 miles on consecutive days. It's the effect of running them at a race pace that I would worry about. But that's not an issue for me; I'm running a half on Saturday, and Sunday will be either an easy recovery run or a rest day. No back to backs on my calendar this year, but I won't rule out the possibility of doing something like that some time, if it fits my schedule and looks like fun.


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1/5/15 6:01 P

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All the responses so far have been supportive so I'll play devil's advocate - partly for fun and partly because I don't understand what the point of this is.

So ... what's the point of running HMs back to back? You mention challenge. Ok, I can't argue what people like as challenges. But given your strong running background, it doesn't strike me as an impossible challenge for you - at least not to justify your question of whether it's too ambitious. Given your strong running background, I'm surprised you'd even ask that question.

But you also mention it as part of a schedule to end with a marathon. And this is where things seem strange. I'm not familiar with any marathon training plan that schedule back-to-back HMs. (Even if, it is very early in the schedule.) Are you following someone's plan?

More important question: Do you think you'll enjoy it?

I don't think I would. I wouldn't enjoy holding way back on the first race and crossing the finish feeling so "not tired" - the way you're going to have to feel. It would feel like a weekly long run but even slower since you'll want to conserve for the next day - and that would feel annoying to go through the whole race rigamarole/excitement and just do a long run that you do every weekend.

In the 2nd race, it would be the opposite. You're going to go into the race tired but in this case, you'll be doing your best but coming out of it with a slow time. Even without regard to time, you won't feel good while you're running the 2nd HM.

Lastly, pacing is going to be tricky. Unless you've practiced back-to-back long runs, how are you going to do the 2nd race at an appropriate speed when you don't even know what that speed should be? (And if you have done back-to-back long runs, what kind of adjustments do you think you'll make for race paces?) I suppose you could target something a bit quicker (15 to 20 seconds/mile?) than marathon long run and race paces. But given that the race is so early in your marathon training, I'm unsure of that.

Hope this doesn't come off as too harsh. Like I said, I have confidence you can do it and my thoughts are more of a devil's advocate offering. By the way, which HMs are they?


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1/4/15 2:40 P

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I don't see anything wrong with the two halves in a weekend. It sounds like you are experienced enough to listen to your body. The trick is to treat one or both as a long training run and not go all out. The experience of running on tired legs the second day will also help in preparing for a marathon.
Your friends reasons for you not doing it shows their ignorance with regards to running.
51 is not too old by a long margin. I have many friends in their late 60s that regularly run marathons on multiple days week after week. My friend Betty is 69 and she ran 100 marathons last year. The record holder for the most marathons in a year just turned 70 this week and he has run over 100 marathons a year at least 5 years.
The running will damage your knees is just the age old stand by for non-runners. The truth is as a population runners have healthier knees and joints than the general population.
I confess that there may be some truth to the addiction. I do not deny that I am addicted to the endorphins and the post-marathon high. The way I see it, there are much worse things to become addicted to. As long as it doesn't become destructive, I don't see any harm though.
If it makes you happy - do it. Don't listen to the nay-sayers.

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1/4/15 9:42 A

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I agree with the others- as long as you train for it, you will be fine for the 2 halves! I've run a half where I felt fine the next day... but my last one that I truly tried to "race", I was sore for days after! So, as long as you run them right, I don't see anything crazy about it at all. Good luck!

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1/1/15 8:57 A

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Okay so the initial naysayers brought this up at our New Year's gathering and I received even more "your crazy, that's dumb" comments. I just don't see the problem here but they have all kinds of "reasons" why I should not do this.

Here are some:
My age - people that do that are younger and can do those things, I'm 51.
My joints - you are wrecking your knees and will have to get replacements.
Addiction - Running is an addiction and you need runners anonymous.

I am very surprised by this reaction, I really am. This is mostly family, but all of them have seen me lose 65lbs and maintain it now for 5+ years. They have seen me go from walking to gradually build up to running the distances that I already have. I feel better now then I have ever felt in my life.

I guess on this one I will "push the ignore button" and run on. I do feel that my plan for the year is reasonable and achievable IF I do the training. (I had no idea)

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12/31/14 7:47 P

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I think running two halfs back to back, just means that one may not be at full speed pace. Run one at full speed, full effort and maybe do the other as a lesser race. But not sure how tired/sore you are the day after a half marathon. As a walker adding in running, when I walked half marathons, I wasn't too bad the next day, but now that I am trying to add in more running to do a faster half, I doubt I could do one the next day.

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I think back to back halves are fine as long as you are trained for it. You know what it takes to do a half and I think you have plenty of time. Your racing schedule for next year looks pretty good, too.

Enjoy and good luck. Oh, and never listen to naysayers unless they can provide a really good reason for their naysaying.

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12/31/14 5:09 P

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If they are close friends, they should know your running experience - that you've already done HMs. Sounds like they don't know you very well.

If they are not close friends, I wouldn't expect them to be supportive. For all they know, you really are over your head.

PS: Some of my friends sign up for 100M races and I'm generally unsupportive. I'll typically say something like: "You're an idiot." They laugh and then I laugh.

In that sense, I completely understand your non-supportive friends.

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12/31/14 4:49 P

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Were these people runners? If not, it doesn't matter what they think about it. And even if they are, it's YOUR challenge, not theirs. You know better than anyone what your recovery is like after a long race. I for one, would not hesitate to do back to back HM's because I am able to recover very quickly. Go for it. And, avoid these people, :).

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I don't think there is anything wrong with signing up for 2 HM's in 1 weekend as long as your trained up for it. It's no different from the Disney challenges really. And lots of races are now hosting back to back races...why not...your already trained & there..what's one more!!!

Are these friends non runners?? All my non runner friends call me crazy when I tell them what I'm training for next. I just smile & say...I embrace/like the challenge. After I've crossed the finish line...they always say 'wow...I could never could do that'. They don't understand it...but they know it's what makes me happy.

I think it's awesome that your doing this :) Good luck & keep us posted




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I just registered for a 1/2 and 1/2 Race. Half on Saturday and another on Sunday. I have done 2 half-marathons and an 18.12 race so far, as well as numerous 5, 10 and 15k's. I have 7 months to train for this with a half race 3 months before.

When I told a couple people my news they said "you are dumb". I am excited to meet this challenge and a little upset at this response. I want to run a marathon this year also and I thought that this would be a good plan.
May 2 - Half
July 25 and 26 - 1/2 and 1/2
Sept 7 - Half
Oct 11 - Full

Is this crazy? I didn't even tell them about the other races, only the 1/2 and 1/2. I'm kind of POd, they normally are very supportive and I did not expect this reaction.

I figure that I will train for the half in May and take a short break (2 weeks?) and then start training for the 1/2 and 1/2 as though it is a marathon. Take another break, then gradually build up to the full.

Is this too ambitious? (As opposed to dumb?)

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