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10/19/14 10:14 A

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Honestly, this is why I avoid theme races in general. I've found that the races put on by running clubs, or those with a long-standing reputation, are better organized and more honest with their entrants. If I'm going to spend $50-150 on a race bib, I'm going to make damn sure I get my money's worth!

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10/17/14 4:20 P

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Good article in RW on why many theme races have failed lately.

www.runnersworld.com/races/why-many-
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Lots of fascinating factoids (such as the actual cost of insurance and timing chips) make this article better written than most. But what I thought most interesting was the article contends that:

1) Most of the problems are not from scammers but rather realities of putting on expensive races (or rather, how directors create these expensive races) and then have problems when additional expenses bust the budget

2) Rapid growth has caused races to cannibalize each other.

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8/10/14 10:58 A

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You make good points (as always). I can think of a number of reasons races don't allow transfers. In a place like Paris, the obvious one is: They might be required to ban transfers to prevent scalping.

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8/10/14 4:42 A

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I understand the profit motive (and for the record I did not collect my shirt since I didn't run)...but consider the race with a max number of entries and that number is reached...like the Paris Marathon. No more entries allowed. By not allowing be to transfer my entry they completely missed the boat on more potential profit (small as it would be) because no one else is able to register.

Anyway, I do understand your points and agree with them. If it was a major problem for me I wouldn't register.

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8/9/14 7:03 P

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Non-transfer policies increase profit. Simple as that. And more races are offering injury-insurance, again to increase profit. Some race websites say that runners should consider an unusable entry fee as a charitable donation. Consider this excerpt from a Runners World article (link below):

"As for appeasing the few injured runners not swayed by his “entry fee as charitable donation” argument, there’s always the lure of merchandise. “Truly, if they get their shirt, most of the time they’re pretty happy,” he says."

I suspect he's right - most runners don't understand the financial game taking place.

More and more races are following the airline model of pricing: Keep the base price the same and convert historical practices to profitable extras. My recommendation: Avoid such races. There are plenty of races that don't try to soak runners for every last dollar. Rock'n'Roll and Disney do not have a monopoly on enjoyable running events.

www.runnersworld.com/races/will-regi
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8/9/14 9:41 A

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I really have no idea how much the big HMs cost to put on. I imagine it can be expensive if city streets are closed down & you have to pay police for traffic control (I have seen drivers ignore the road blocks and start driving on the road among the runners!). And I would guess that many of those fees have to be paid in part or full regardless.

So I can accept an explicitly stated "no refund" policy; at that point it is my choice if I want to pay for race insurance or not, or not sign up. I had to back out of the Paris Marathon in 2013 due to injury...not refundable and that is an expensive race! But I knew the policy going in so sucked it up emoticon

What I don't get are the "non-transferrable rules". I paid for the entry, I should be able to transfer my number to another runner, even for a small fee. I don't understand why the organizers do not allow it.

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6/14/14 10:18 P

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6/9/14 1:13 A

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Thanks for the info!

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Thanks this is the kind of information that is really useful.... Lets keep it up and have each others backs!

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6/6/14 9:28 A

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She sounds like a scam artist, preying on vendors and race participants. Thanks for letting us know!

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6/5/14 8:34 A

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I get the no refund policies.

However, I won't support companies that aren't paying vendors. That's complete BS. And the girl organizing this race seems to have trouble being legitimate.

Just trying to give a heads ups to avoid these races

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6/4/14 9:51 P

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Most races these days advertise that they can cancel the race for any reason and runners are not entitled to any refund. I've always wondered if that's a defense an unethical operator could get away with.

Alas, it is the biggest races that are unable to reschedule. Not surprising, given how complex some of these big races are to coordinate. But they could be more flexible in other ways. However the most expensive HMs in my area say registration is non-refundable, non-transferrable, non-deferrable and don't even offer partial credit if the race is cancelled.

In contrast, the cheapest HM in my area provides a 100% credit if the race is cancelled. This for a $5 HM!

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Sounds like a case for the State's Attorney General! It is appalling. I have heard this happening once before due to lack of funds, but this one has some history.

I thought the Minneapolis Marathon being canceled last week because of severe weather was unfair to runners. They do not get refunds, and it is not likely going to be rescheduled.

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Thank you for posting, this is good information.

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Be careful is you run any of the races mentioned.
www.runnersworld.com/races/june-7-ha
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