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11/17/17 3:32 P

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MAGNESIUM - I have managed being without meds since april 2016..
One of the things I do every morning is eating porridge with ½ oatmeal and ½ oatbran

The trick is that oatbran contains quite a bit of Magnesium...
This you also can get in spinach - But I do not like spinach - so I prefer oatbran
which is the shell of oats. In modern food - shell of different kinds of corn is taken away.
In Spark people I read that lack of magnesium gives a vulnerability for getting unbalanced in the mind. This is from American statistics
In Danish statistics it says that lack of magnesium may lead to depression...

I am a ceramist - This means I know about chemistry - I can tell that both Lithium and Magnesium are metals with the valens 2.
The difference between Lithium and Magnesium is that Lithium mostly comes from the earth with Thyme as an exception - while Magnesium is present in many different kinds of human food like for instance spinach, oatbran and cashew nuts.

Of course since America exports a lot of medicine actually is no. 1 in the world and Denmark despite our little population: 6 million people is no. 3 in the world of medicine export - it is necessary for economic reasons to consume lots of medicine.

Later I will tell about what I see as the advantage of not using psychiatric medicine every day - but only have strong medicine in the closet for security reasons - with years between...


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I stopped taking lithium in April 2016 and don´t take other psycho meds.
I contacted Peter Gøtsche a professor(Danish but internationally known) who is against taking meds against psychological problems. He believes in therapy with the Family or Network in stead.
He answered he does not give therapy - only Works scientifically - but sent me a list of 15 people he could recommend.
So I contacted a psychoanalyst. This was the first time.. else ways I have gone to psychologists and different kinds of therapy.
I have developed different ways of preventing manic episodes -
I have a diary besides my bed where I write if I cannot sleep because of problems
Getting feelings down in my feet
eating porridge every morning with oats and oat bran in - oat bran and spinach contain magnesium.. lack of magnesium makes you vulnerable to get out of balance
I also find it important to get enough sleep
Exercise is important. May 2016 I said good bye to my car and got an Electric bike. This has made it possible to Loose weight and I am happier..
And I avoid sugar and seldom use alcohol. Only once and a while. Anyway I do not like to be drunk. I can amuse myself without that.

And in case of being manic I have some strong medicine: Sicordinol. I know the max dose
As this is very strong I only use it if other things are not good enough. There can go months or years between and I only take it one night and write in a book the amount. And when I am able to sleep again I trap the dose down to zero. Having them in a closet gives a calmness and security. I know I can manage life myself and I am not dependent on doctors and don´t risk the treatment in hospital which I see as torture.
Every 3 year I get a new portion of that medicine and throw the old ones away as they are then too old.

Well - Seeing people - doing things once and a while that I enjoy
Living an active life

We are all different people

The only truth I can see is that the Medical industry are the Winners the last 60 years
and using medication for years make a difference in the brain - so you are made more vulnerable than before. But before medication was used psychiatric conditions for some people meant they never could cope with society.

I believe medication can be good for a short term. But there is also another solution to a severe manic condition. This is another subject as this situation can be avoided when you seek help or give yourself help fast.





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9/26/17 11:50 P

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Just because we may not have doesn't mean you need to be discouraged... or to think badly if you need them. They aren't fun, but the goal, however the means, is a good life.

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9/26/17 3:38 P

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I believe it really is a mind frame. Even though I am diagnosed with a mental illness, I can either let it define me, or I can fight it and persevere.

I used to be agoraphobic, suicidal, unable to work. I changed my doctors, my living situation, my support group, my personal responsibilities, my outlook on my life. This made a huge difference. I thought I was "disabled" in 2012, and I, though slowly, made enough changes in my life that I have healthy relationships, live in a good home, and work full time while managing finances and medical issues of my family.

So you CAN make healthy choices to better your life that don't include medication.

I've heard that if you think you can't, you can't.
So push forward!

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9/26/17 7:32 A

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This is a bit discouraging... I really want to manage through a healthy lifestyle. I will research more.

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I do the Ketogenic diet, which is basically no carbs at all. I get 20 net grams of carbs a day. It does help with the depression- I can't take antidepressants anymore since they make me manic. It sucks sometimes, since I had to be in the mental hospital a couple of months ago and there was nothing they could do for the depression, but at the same time it's one less pill I have to take. It's a high fat, moderate protein, low carb diet similar to Atkins but more strict. I have the same feeling as Walla, that you don't crave the carbs after a while. I've also lost 17 pounds since April, so that's a plus as well.

As for being off meds, it is my goal but I know it's not going to happen anytime in the near future. I'm not nearly stable enough for me to be off meds. Many bipolar people have to be on meds their whole lives- don't be discouraged. It does suck to have to have your life revolve around a pill bottle, but in my mind it's worth it to be stable (at least mostly). Medications have saved my life more than once, so I don't treat them lightly. I know I'm still here because of my medications.

Just stick in there and be patient! Stability comes day by day!

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I haven't been able to manage without meds, but I've reduced significantly in the past few years. Being aware of my symptoms, having others watch out, lots of little managing things help. But I still take a mood stabilizer and antidepressant. Sometimes, rather than more meds, I remind myself that "this too shall pass"....no mood/feeling is forever.

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9/11/17 4:58 P

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I can't say I've ever been successful managing my bipolar without meds. The closest has been during my pregnancies that I struggle through the first 2 trimesters

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I won't say "without meds" but I do find that a whole 30 type diet is actually making the effort to deal with the mood swings much easier. While I still have a little grain (occasional corn tortilla or multigrain chips, and sometimes fall back on deli chicken or fries when on the road), otherwise I have almost no dairy, grain, sugar, legumes, or nightshade products, and I find that it makes the mood swings a bit more manageable. Particularly surprising is that not eating white bread helps with stabilization. I know the diet sounds draconian, but it's actually fairly easy after about 6 days - and bread and sweets actually don't look good to me. (They look like hardware, somehow.)

It was not the goal, but I dropped about 11 pounds which was kind of great. I believe this may be helping sustain me in a time of terrific external stress.

So - in short, this intensive diet hasn't taken the BP away, but it does help by eliminating the adrenaline and insulin swings which exacerbate the mood events. It's actually easier than it sounds.


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I have been off and on meds... currently off. Want to live without them and remain stable. Is anyone successfully doing so? If so, for how long? I know creating a routine for me definitely helps. I stopped eating meat in May and I did without it for 12 years before I got diagnosed at 29. I am 36 now and I think diet helps... I need to eat cleaner for sure.... but I would definitely like to hear from others out there who are also living with bipolar disorder.


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