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1/29/19 12:31 P

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They are just beyond stupid. The majority that have been caught were caught at legit border crossings.

I personally have crossed the border at McAllen (actually, Hidalgo, Texas) a bazillion times and I have absolutely no idea where this wall actually is. Never saw it.

Now talk about drone technology and advanced computer programs to monitor lapsed visas and you have my attention.

A cement wall ain’t gonna do it.

Edited by: NUMD97 at: 1/29/2019 (12:36)
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1/29/19 12:21 P

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So many also don’t understand that it will put some Americans on the wrong side of the wall (I dont Get that but heard it from several places) and they will have to do eminent domain to get some lands. Sooo even if they fund it, it will get tied up in court. Years maybe.
And it just occurred to me that if he gets the money now they still have to commission the design. And compete the contract to build it, theoretically. Not in true emergency but that more like a 9/11 than this. I hope Congress would stop anything like that

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1/16/19 5:37 A

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Cliff Notes version:

First document from August 2015:

"Specifically, the campaign document said the following: ‘Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico (Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options). We will not be taken advantage of anymore.’ "

Second document from April, 2016:

"Trump-haters also found a second campaign policy paper, titled ‘Compelling Mexico to Pay for the wall.https://web.archive.org/web/201604090
80445/https://www.donaldjtrump.com/pos
itions/pay-for-the-wall Issued in April 2016, the memo again focused on remittance payments to Mexico, and threatened the following action on the first three days of a Trump presidency: the United States would impound the $24 billion that flow to Mexico annually from Mexican nationals unless Mexico contributed $5 billion to $10 billion to wall construction.

"Trump bashers eagerly point out that this is proof that the Trump campaign had indeed promised the U.S. would get a check from Mexico. A closer read of the memo shows that the campaign believed there were several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall.

"In addition to the three-day plan, the memo also outlined other options discussed previously in the immigration reform paper, including tariffs, the canceling of visas for Mexican nationals, and increases in visa fees."


Edited by: NUMD97 at: 1/29/2019 (12:26)
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1/16/19 1:25 A

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I couldn't read the article very long - I got tired of everyone who didn't agree with the wall being called a Trump-basher or Trump hater.

And they then have the nerve to call anyone who doesn't agree with Trump biased?????

What do they think they are???????

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1/15/19 8:43 A

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Here's an interesting rebuttal from FoxNews (including references) how it was proposed that Mexico would pay for the wall:

www.foxnews.com/opinion/mexico-will-
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1/15/19 7:00 A

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It is possible that he could do it cheaper than the government but does he have the ability and the means? and would it take longer? and who cares. No one wants the wall except Trump and the few idiots who voted for him

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1/15/19 6:40 A

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That gofundme account for the wall has been shut down since it only raised 2% of its 1 billion dollar goal. The guy with the shady scamming past who started it now asks the donors to give the money to him so HE can start building it himself. He says he can do it cheaper than the government.

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1/14/19 11:18 P

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trump understands neither bonds (i dont think) nor tariffs. i am amazed at the people who think the wall is a great idea. they think it kept germans from escaping. or palestinians from getting in to israel. sad. many are the same people, from the few i know, that want every. single. person. to carry a gun. etc. i just do not get it.

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1/14/19 9:02 P

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Mexico made it very clear from the get-go that no way no how were they paying for it. They could not have been clearer.

Trump, in his usual doublespeak, said Mexico will pay in the end, but by means of the new trade agreement between the US, Canada, and Mexico.

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1/14/19 4:58 P

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What happened to Mexico paying for it with their own hard-owned pesos?

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Trump would figure out some idiotic way to say that Nancy Pelosi is personally keeping people from buying the wall bonds. And then, as Gwyn said, would also not pay people back.



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Bonds have to be paid back to the person and as such, I don't think the president wants to have to pay back any of the money used to pay for the wall, no matter what way it is financed

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CNN did an opinion piece asking the question, "Can wall bonds be the answer, like war bonds were during World War Two?" The argument is if the public is truly behind the building of the wall on our southern border, they would gladly buy the bonds. If it proves that they are not interested in this, as the experts seem to think, then Trump would finally have to admit that this is not the solution and look for alternative measures.

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