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1/5/19 9:21 A

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this does get confusing. and yes different places have different kinds of soil.

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1/4/19 11:56 P

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Maybe. I just have a whole lot of allergies, and it doesn't matter where the item was grown. I'm allergic to mangoes from Africa, Costa Rica, and Vietnam, LOL!

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1/4/19 11:40 P

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oh shes sure that not realizing what she was allergic to and keeping eating it made it worse. but really - no one heard about garlic allergys when we were kids. and i didnt do research but she did - and that is the conclusion for some. its different soil and diff things put in the soil to grow. that can make a difference.

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1/4/19 11:12 P

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Repeated exposures often make the allergic reaction worse - and can even spread to include items from the same family that the person used to be able to handle. For example, as a kid I could eat cashews, pistachios, and Brazil nuts. Then once I was exposed and reacted to mango, I couldn't eat those nuts (because they're all in the sumac family).

So she might have hit her threshhold with the garlic. (I get a swollen tongue from raw garlic - so does one of my brothers.)

The new medication that my dr has prescribed is made from yams and soybeans - I hope this one isn't discontinued too!!!! Might just be from a different manufacturer.

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1/4/19 9:57 P

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i wonder if they really are exactly the same. my friend is extremely allergic to garlic - just in the last oh 15-20 years. the theory she researched is that the soil is different in china, where most of the garlic now comes from. its crazy

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1/4/19 9:07 P

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Sorry if I was confusing, Gwyn - Nu is right, the soybeans are all the same. There seem to be different US companies that are in China. Trump's tariffs (I think) are really harsh on the Chinese products, so China is retaliating by making it hard for these US companies in China to get licensed, or to get supplies, or even both.

Another thing I didn't think of - many phamaceutical companies were located in Puerto Rico because it was still US, but had extra tax breaks. I'm now thinking that the problems on PR since the hurricanes of 2017 (non-city areas still have no clean water, no electricity) may be part of the manufacturing problem as well.

It's all a mess.

My dr finally found a medication that was suggested by my insurance company's pharmacy - non horse-based, and available. I now need to check on the price of getting a 3 month supply.

And of course, in August it will all change because I go on Medicare then. Won't be getting my meds from this pharmacy after that. So I was trying to stockpile my meds while they still are inexpensive!!!

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1/4/19 6:30 A

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If I understood Phebess correctly, it isn't different types of soybeans, but that a number of different American companies have facilities in China, to manufacture and process soy for American consumption, be it for Big Pharma or for food.

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1/4/19 6:11 A

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didn't realize that there were different varieties of soy beans -- at least that is what the answer implies

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1/3/19 2:08 P

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Gwyn, to answer your question - it seems that the plants that manufacture these medications aren't located within the USA. So even though they may be US companies, the plant making the medications might be located in China. China is affected by Trump's tariffs, and retaliates by not selling their soybeans to the US companies operating in China. Or raising their prices. Or changing their licensing structure so that the companies can't be licensed. (The person I talked to at my insurance company's pharmacy last night told me her sister works with one of these companies in China, and the licensing changes are happening so they're having trouble making the meds or getting the needed materials.)

It is insane!!!!!

PLUS my soy medication cost $10 for a 3 month supply (generic). The name brand substitute that may or may not contain horse is $107 for a 3 month supply!!!!!!! No no no not going there!!!

And of course the insurance company took that money from my account, even though they cancelled the order. Trying to deal with that, too.

SO frustrated this morning!!!!!!!!

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1/3/19 7:37 A

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I hope that a soy-based HRT or a suitable alternate is made by another company. If the need for it isn't particularly widespread, the manufacturers have a hand in it beyond the tariff.
Let us know the result of the search.

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1/3/19 5:30 A

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agreed sorry to hear this. question of the day: Minnesota is a big producer of soy beans -- I think North dakota is too. why can't these two states supply some of the needed beans?

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So very sorry to read this, Phebess. What the powers that be and / or Trump do not get, is they work in the abstract. It is the people that are most affected by these injudicious acts.

Time to send a few letters to your congressmen, and have your doctor pen a note, too, so there is a clear understanding of how this affects everday people.

Hopefully, things will start to change in a more sane direction when the Democrats take their oaths on Thursday, and roll up their sleeves and get to work.

Here's hoping.

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wtf arent his people getting on him. i am so sick of how much pain and suffering he is causing. sorry to hear this is happening to you.

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1/2/19 10:45 P

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So, I've been on a mild soy-based hormone for years. I'm really allergic to horses, so I can't take the usual medications.

You know all those tariffs against other countries? Soy beans being one of the big commodities that are suddenly highly taxed?

Yup, my medication is no longer available. The pharmaceutical manufacturers have told my insurance company's pharmacy that they cannot get the products they need to produce this medication - yes, the soybeans.

My doctor, the clinic pharmacy, my insurance company, and I are all busily trying to find a non-animal based HRT.

GRRRRR!!!!!!!!

So all people on any soy-based products, beware!!!

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