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12/28/18 1:03 P

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Why should facts be used to cloud the issue?

Knowing is not enough. We must apply. Willing is not enough. We must do.
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12/28/18 12:55 P

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Facts cannot get in the way.

Benghazi Benhazi, emails, Vince Foster, Benghazi, Lock Her Up, Whitewater, Benghazi, Travel Gate, Monica, Lock Her Up, Benghazi, does she even like men?

"Some day we will look back on this, and it will all seem funny" - Bruce Springsteen (The real BOSS, as opposed to me.)





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12/28/18 12:48 P

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It is my understanding, as of late, Clinton DID ask Congress for more funding to better protect the embassy in Benghazi a full three months before the events that unfolded did. She was denied.

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EDIT: Okay, not a direct answer, but interesting nonetheless. Chris Stevens' sister weighed in at the time, and she did not blame Clinton for her brother's death:

www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/chr
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12/28/18 9:43 A

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I live in the middle of a hive of his staunch supporters, as I beieve many of you know. Some are gym buddies. The TVs always are on there. We cannot escape discussions of politics.

Me: Did you see the story they just ran? Such an outrage! Is he still your guy?
Gym Buddies: Lock her up.
Me: It's not 2016 but almost 2019. Do his treasonous, bigoted, narsiccistic ways represent you?
Gym Buddies: Benghazi.
Me: Seriously. Do you not think that history will treat him most horribly. He has made America a laughing stock on the world stage. Worse, he has weakened our geopolitical capital.
Gym Buddies: At least he's not a Black Muslim from Kenya. Talk about someone who is the very defintion of treason.
Me: Are you proud of him?
Gym Buddies: I'm getting just what I voted for.
Me: "Sh1thole countries?" Racism and xenophobia. Right-wing extremism?
Gym Buddies: He just says what all of us think. It's refreshing.
Me: Oy.

Edited by: BOSS61 at: 12/28/2018 (12:53)
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12/28/18 8:28 A

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And now that the stinking vermin has revealed the location and faces of SEALs in Iraq. Brilliant, this, after his professing concern for the well-being of U.S. military personnel, hence, a reason for withdrawing forces from Syria.

Does this not constitute treason? High crimes and misdemeanors?

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12/28/18 8:21 A

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Ken Burns' series on Vietnam suggesyed as much.

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12/27/18 5:32 P

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One of my medical school classmates, who did serve in Vietnam in the army, told me that there were some gung ho superiors who put the group so much at risk, that the only way to avoid getting killed themselves in a futile and unnecessary gun battle was to kill the officer themselves. To say that I was shocked would be an understatement.

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12/27/18 5:15 P

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Trump's presence in Vietnam, despite his having been a military-school boy, would have endangered all others around him. He may easily have received an honorable 4-F exemption from service based on his intellectual disability(s) alone.

Apart from all that, he has something quite notable in common with the Vietnam War: They are the two most divisive issues to strike this country since the Civil War.

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12/27/18 4:48 P

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Totally agree with you, HEALTHYPERI.

Agree with you, too, SAK. The Vietnam era was really a very turbulent time. I knew people who were considering going to Canada. However one face that her Renda's decision, I cannot for them. I don't know what I would've done in their place. Probably seriously considered going to Canada rather than fight in a futile war.

There are a lot more reasons to abhor Trump. The Vietnam War is not one of them.

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12/27/18 4:45 P

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I believe my character has changed with age and life's experiences. I'm that 12 year old geeky nerdy boy I was in 1973, now less than 80% of the time.

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12/27/18 4:44 P

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A persons character does not change no matter what situation they are put in. If he was drafted he would have figured out how to scam in the military as well so good thing his fake diagnosis got him off. His narcissistic ways could of just cause more harm to those young men around him.

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12/27/18 4:35 P

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I don't even know how you can speculate on this, Mark. Some people are just evil. And he is one of them.

It is admirable that you try to see the good in all people, but as you get older, for some people that is just not merited.

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12/27/18 4:31 P

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sure he could have.but he is the nut off the tree - his father was this way and worse. so i dont know if serving would have taken him that far from what he was taught all his life.
but u r right - with his money and influence, jsut think of the good he could have done.
instead of ruining america.

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He could have found empathy and devoted his life and fortune to veterans affairs matters. He could be the tycoon of Southeast Asian tourism, he could have merely stayed there, he could have become a mental health professional specializing in PTSD. (Obviously, he could have had his name on a wall in DC, too).

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12/27/18 4:18 P

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Aaaaah, but you are assuming he was, at some juncture, honorable. There is no evidence of that. Quite the contrary. He has been used to getting away with all sorts of criminal activity for decades. He is dumfounded that what was tried and true, no longer works.

His day of reckoning is coming.

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It would be better for the country if he had served. His life could have taken many more honorable paths forward, rather than a stolen Presidency.

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As much as i hate to say it, during the vietnam war many many bone spurs and trips to canada were the norm. its all the other crap about him and what he says that bothers me.

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Saw this.

You mean to say =gasp!= Trump is a liar?

Say it ain't so, Joe.



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Bone spurs in his feet prevented him from serving in Vietnam? Not so much.

www.thedailybeast.com/speed-read-the
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