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7/15/18 2:36 A

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That is a given.

Knowing is not enough. We must apply. Willing is not enough. We must do.
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7/15/18 1:51 A

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Yeah, I have absolutely no idea - not my view of the world, that is for sure.

"Dance as if no one is watching."


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7/14/18 11:08 P

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Seems so, sadly.

In what universe, pray tell, is it "justified" to beat up a 92- year old man?

Edited by: NUMD97 at: 7/14/2018 (23:09)
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7/14/18 9:42 P

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Definitely seems as if they think they have license to act and speak any way they feel regarding prejudices and misogyny!

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7/14/18 9:02 P

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One hundred percent agree.

I have not seen this level of racism so exposed since the 1960s riots. It is almost as if (as someone wrote to me) that those who think this way, have been given license to act on their horrid beliefs.

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7/14/18 8:43 P

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I'm skeptical, and disheartened. And really have no way to predict or even guess what direction our country might go.

But some of the ugliness that has shown up is truly frightening. As well as incomprehensible.

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7/14/18 2:22 P

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I so wish I shared your optimism.

Any other time, I most likely would not have picked up Madeleine Albright's current best seller: "Fascism: A Warning". Now I want to hear what she has to say.

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7/14/18 8:15 A

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We're not in such disagreement. I see what you see, now and in the short-term. I firmly believe, however, that this is a violent political hiccup and that proper and rational respectful civil discourse will once again carry sway, in at most a few years. Demographic changes mandate nothing less. Yes, the Democrats and their media allies got complacent. No, it will not happen again but yes, it will take a good deal of effort to undo the current damage. But it will be undone.

"Some day we will look back on this, and it will all seem funny" - Bruce Springsteen (The real BOSS, as opposed to me.)





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7/14/18 8:10 A

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I disagree. Unless the news is coloring the bias. I, myself, have witnessed blatant race rage as have others in here and reported to me, since the election.

When you can beat up a 92-year old man, telling him to go back to Mexico; when a white woman can accost a Mexican gardner defending his mother when the woman specifically crossed the street to start the fight, I have to seriously wonder where we so wholly derailed.

Keep in mind, too, that very few talking heads predicted Trump's victory in the first place. They were in the shadows and not really being consulted until after the fact. Too many were in celebration mode over Hillary's perceived victory.

I take little for granted anymore, politically speaking. This was definitely not a hiccup. There was an undercurrent that was not fully appreciated. And it is those folks who have spoken and allowed the situation to rear its ugly head, starting with the election.

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7/14/18 7:26 A

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I believe we are witnessing the violent death throes of traditional, white Christian male political power, with all its misogyny, racism, bigotry, hatred and xenophobia. These death throes are playing out daily, in slow motion. We enlightened liberal, progressive and even "Blue Dog" Democrats know that time and demographics are on our side, and our relative powerlessness will be fleeting, as frustrating as it is at the moment.

"Some day we will look back on this, and it will all seem funny" - Bruce Springsteen (The real BOSS, as opposed to me.)





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7/14/18 6:33 A

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Eloquently stated.

I do not recall the last time the American Congress (nor the American people for that matter), witnessed the brawl that took place there. There have been other foreign legislative bodies that have had their meetings devolve into the likes of a barroom brawl, but not in America.

How far we have fallen, in less than two years' time. It is astonishing.

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7/14/18 6:04 A

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Jamie Raskin (D), Maryland (8th Congressional), made my heart soar on the floor of Congress yesterday. He'll always have my vote. Like many of us, he finds the behavior of the President and his supporters beyond appalling. This is well worth the 5-minute investment of your time.

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=
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raskin.house.gov/about

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