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7/15/18 2:42 A

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From time to time, I find myself standing alone on a topic. It does not bother me and I simply point out anything that may be assumed erroneously (not speaking politically) and I put in the necessary links to shore up my position. The core group that interacts on the board are not newcomers. As Eco has pointed out, our topics run the gamut of whatever interests us at the moment, from current events to cooking to even "Jeopardy".

We always welcome newcomers to participate if they introduce themselves on other areas of our community space. Civility is paramount and I believe we are all respectful of one another. Never assume that because your opinion (and I am not addressing this directly to you) is different, that we will join together and attack. It is not our way.

I believe we have amply covered any concerns that a new person to the group might feel. I have nothing further to add.

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7/14/18 5:49 P

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CINDYQUINT, I can reassure you that bullying is not tolerated here in this group. Everyone at SparkJews has always been able to state an opposing point of view on any topic.

I like to think of myself as relatively active in this community group. Speaking from experience, I don't agree with everything that has been shared and our conversations have included a wide range of topics from healthier eating during Passover, to vacation ideas, to creating still life paintings, to politics. I've sometimes been a lonely voice of opposition but I've disagreed and shared why. However, I can say my thoughts are always treated with respect and tolerance when I disagree with the majority opinion.

Being the curious type, I just discovered a group exists called Spark Conservatives/Republicans. It seems to be a somewhat active group with relatively recent posts. Our own group does not ask about political persuasion. (By the way, I'm proud to say that I'm a liberal Democrat ... always have been!) We welcome everyone to SparkJews, as indicated by our slogan: Whatever kind of Jew you are, cultural or religious, whether you keep kosher or not, this group is for you. "Everyone" has expanded beyond being a Jew and includes people who are not Jewish.

Personally, I've always enjoyed the diversity of this friendly little group. Although with over 1000 members, it's really not all that "little". Like all the other groups that I've visited here, this group has a small active group and a large silent membership. I'm sure there is a variety of opinions within the membership on every subject, controversial ones and not so controversial too. Again, all are welcome at SparkJews.

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7/14/18 4:39 P

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Welcome, CINDYQUINT.

Because of your concern about SP's function as a place to find support with weight struggles, I am happy that I have good news for you: When any one of us brings up weight, the others are supportive. It's wonderful.

I believe that SparkPeople.com was founded as a place for people committed to achieving or maintaining health and fitness in all their definitions. Whether it was from the start or evolved, it is also a website that welcomes just about any topic one can imagine, everything from fashion to fine arts to mystery books to careers and and religions and more. One good thing about SP is the near-infinite possibilities for people to learn about and pursue what suits them. It's like real life. I greatly appreciate that any SP member can initiate a team with a particular focus and that any team has flexibility to make weight struggles and any other health matter part of its function.

Your first sentence suggests that you are not addressing those who do not share your views. As the last seems to contradict it, I shall not try to decipher your intended audience. What I do know is that, since the first written communication, whether it was on stone, papyrus or animal skin, whether sincere or manipulative, it has been understood that such communication carries an expectation of a response. I find your stated expectation of negative comments from those whom you do not address or even know to be insulting. I don't lean toward negative and understand that there are websites populated by people called "trolls." If your expectation is an offshoot your residence in such sites, I am pleased to say that you will be disappointed here.

I would would prefer to think that you looked into this team in search of Jews of your political stripe. There may be some who do. By all means pull up a chair if it is a community of Jews where each, to a one, is free to think and express themselves that you were seeking.




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Cindyquint, you might take your own advice.

"Dance as if no one is watching."


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We, as a group (and, yes, I feel comfortable to speak for them, as I have known these folks for many years, and have met many personally) respect your opinion. Yes, it is a weight loss site. We discuss that, too. We are not using SP as a "platform" to promote our point of view, just to utilize it as a place to vent our frustrations.

If you have been following us for some time now, you might have observed that we are not all Jews, but do share a common frustration concerning the direction our country is currently taking. It is not merely a "Democratic vs. Republican" issue. It is an American issue. And how this administration, in the name of the United States, is representing us to the world. The relationship we have with all our allies have been in place since the end of World War II. It is a sad spectacle to see someone so poorly versed in economics taking those relationships and in a matter of months undo the mostly good that was decades in the making.

Please allow me to assure you that your opinion has been heard, and we do welcome your input. Feel free to weigh in at any time, whether you agree with the topic (or any other, for that matter) or not.

Respectfully,

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7/14/18 11:07 A

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I normally do not respond to this line of rhetoric, but for other jewish people who may come upon this discussion I want to say that I am in complete disagreement with the opinions stated in this topic. No only am I in complete disagreement with the opinions stated on this topic, but the majority of my other Jewish friends are as well. I am a proud Republican as are many many other Jewish people. I will not respond to any negative comments that I know will be sent my way. I will not defend my beliefs and be bullied by those who do not agree with how the government is being run. I have no control over the topics discussed on this site, as we live in a country with freedom of speech, but I feel that Sparkpeople is a site for others struggling with their weight and here to give support and encouragement to others with the same struggles. It upsets me to think that people would use this site as a platform of political rhetoric and personal beliefs. Please refrain from any negative retorts. As I am sure you were all told as a child, "if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all".

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7/14/18 10:33 A

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Not when the lying is obstruction of justice rather than “just a lie”

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7/13/18 9:05 P

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Lying is a requirement when running for government office. That part is a given.

I guess it comes down to how much lying, and how much it will ultimately hurt the American people.

It's a question of degree.

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7/13/18 7:59 P

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Not only has pence lied to Congress so have some congressmen

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7/13/18 1:30 P

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Really not concerned. I've read some speculation from some divorce attorneys, but it is just that: Speculation. And whether we are privy to it or not, the world will continue to spin.

Edited by: NUMD97 at: 7/14/2018 (15:27)
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7/13/18 1:07 P

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Might have certain criteria (separations, extra-marital affairs, speaking out politically...)

"Some day we will look back on this, and it will all seem funny" - Bruce Springsteen (The real BOSS, as opposed to me.)





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7/13/18 1:00 P

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Hasn't she done that already on multiple occasions?

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7/13/18 12:59 P

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She might void the prenup if she embarasses him.

"Some day we will look back on this, and it will all seem funny" - Bruce Springsteen (The real BOSS, as opposed to me.)





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7/13/18 12:57 P

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For what I have been reading, the scenario that gets him to jail, will begin with opening up his business finances.

All we little folks can do is wait.

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7/13/18 12:46 P

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Let’s go back to the previously imagined scenario: remember in that Trump goes to jail. That’s why she leaves him. It’s probably the only way but we can imagine/hope (the jail part), right?

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Melania will not leave Trump of her own accord. She is quite accustomed to the lifestyle that she would not have had otherwise. I am sure they have an ironclad prenup and there is probably a termination date as well. I've read a few articles about that, too.

I cannot imagine there is an amount of money that would allow a sentient being to marry Trump.

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7/13/18 12:00 P

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Mark pence has obstructed justice at a minimum. I have trouble believing there aren’t other illegal things that he either did or turned a blind eye to.
And yes I know there are other kids that 45 doesn’t acknowledge or maybe even remember, but my actual point was about meticulous under age child. I believe that he is the main reason she hasn’t left. Sims for purposes of this discussion only barron counts

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7/13/18 11:12 A

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The Country will have limited appetite for inquests. President Pence will issue an Executive Order that everyone, regardless of original religion, attend church Sundays to "pray the gay away."

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7/13/18 10:56 A

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You need to read more about Pence's relationship with the Koch brothers. Not wrong YET.

SAK, Trump has misplaced two of his kids. Don't forget Tiffany.

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7/13/18 10:49 A

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Pence may not have done anything wrong, other than to hitch his wagon to a tarnished star. He'll be President for a year or so.

"Some day we will look back on this, and it will all seem funny" - Bruce Springsteen (The real BOSS, as opposed to me.)





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7/13/18 10:09 A

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Agree mark
And impeachment shame disgrace and embarrassment with a short jail sentence for pence. (Long for trump-with an automatic divorce for Melania, with everything I believe the prenup says except since he’s in jail, she keeps custody of the kid whom he seems to forget exists)

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7/13/18 10:03 A

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I still want impeachment, shame, disgrace and imprisonment.

"Some day we will look back on this, and it will all seem funny" - Bruce Springsteen (The real BOSS, as opposed to me.)





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7/13/18 6:57 A

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They all have a certain bent.

"President Pelosi" did give me pause. I had to think about that for a minute.

Because Pence might be an even more dangerous alternative (incredible to believe, no?), I think they will seriously consider not impeaching Trump. The more likely solution would be to ensure that he does not get reelected in 2020.

I am eagerly awaiting Mueller's findings made public.

Edited by: NUMD97 at: 7/14/2018 (15:18)
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Salon is not known to be absent biases. That said, it was an interesting article. BS on President Pelosi, however. We will be stuck with Pence.

"Some day we will look back on this, and it will all seem funny" - Bruce Springsteen (The real BOSS, as opposed to me.)





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"....The Midterms And Beyond". Do remember to vote. It can't hurt. The following is from a Pulitzer-prize winning jourrnalist who has followed Trump for 30 years and beyond. This is his roadmap:

www.salon.com/2018/04/23/pulitzer-wi
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ing-reporter-david-cay-johnston-the-R>evidence-suggests-trump-is-a-traitor
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