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4/11/12 7:54 A

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I had a similar experience this past week with Samson, our Rottweiler. He has urinary tract issues and STILL doesn't have accidents. He walked into the room where I was working, lifted his leg and peed on a hamper! I never would have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. What's the world coming to?! Crazy animals!

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Today, Danny (who NEVER has accidents in the house) lifted his leg and let loose on his BED! I was mortified!! The only thing I can think of is that we had my daughter's 3 dogs for a year, and they just left. Maybe he is re-marking?

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I will hope that Spring finds its way to you soon!

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Still cold here. I'm in Washington State (Pacific Northwest is having flooding, rain, hail, snow...a variety of fun stuff). Sunny today, but cold.

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Aww... where are you Jeanne? I'm in northern Illinois and we have had an unseasonably early spring. We even had a few 80-degree days in March (unheard of here!).

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especially with summer coming (I hope...wouldn't know it here. Snow again today).

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I agree!

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I am not sure but I would think that they must feel better without so much hair on them too!

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As much as I loved my guy's hair long so I could put it in pigtails and such, I've been keeping him clipped the last year or two, also. It's at least a LITTLE less work and I can go a little bit longer in between baths. And he looks cute, too! :)

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Ju;ie so true, I used to have mine babies a little longer till I took them to a new place once and they shaved them except for head and cut tail pretty short too. They did look like rats but it ended up being great for summertime when thye end up at the sitter often on weekend and vacay and I did not need to worry about them getting all matted. Now I do not have them shaved but have them cut really short. I love it!

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Glad all is well, Jeanne. I think the difference is if the dogs are regularly trimmed rather than a "surprise" if someone keeps them long! Hope her move goes well. :)

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Good luck Jeanne! I know the groomer will do a great job! I love the Shih Tzu tail and would not want that cut oof no matter what!

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I did ask her. She was pleased and said, shorter the better, but leave face and tail. So all is well. Thanks for the "warning". I will take them to her regular groomer, so hopefull the loss of hair won't be a shock.

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Oh Jeanne, it was not I was upset she took her to be groomed, I was upset because my dogs hair was gone, all gone, shaved off, except for her face, ears. Goodness can you imagine my surprize....... emoticon


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Well, maybe I should not take my daughter's 3 dogs in. She is moving to Florida next week and does nto have time to do it (they need grooming badly!) before she leaves. I can take them while she sorts and packs. Without a groom, I fear they will be way too hot in that climate after living here in Washington State. It WAS going to be a gift/surprise. Maybe I'll just check with her, first.

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Oh boy... I would be furious if I came home to pooches with haircuts I didn't okay! I just started trimming Riley the last year or two. Before that I kept his hair long and flowing and put his topknot up all the time. I probably would have had a heart attack if I found him trimmed! Lately I like him clipped so there's less maintenance -- I just don't have enough time in my life to keep him long and beautiful!

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Oh no Robin! Did she take him to your regular groomer? They would know better!
TG fur grows back. I had that happen once when my groomer was I had to take them to someone new. Now I like them shorter than I used to have them. Took them to the groomer on Saturday and asked for beard and ears to be shorter than usual and the look socute just like puppies!

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so my mom thinking she is doing me a favor takes my dog to a groomer, my dog comes back all shaved except for her facial hair, poor thing looks like a shaved rat..........thanks mom.


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Our groomer has a kennel that she puts the dogs in so they won't get hurt in her office. My dogs both hate it, so I don't use it at home. I should have started earlier, I guess.

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Thanks for the info Jan about the Kennel, I have only used ours 2-3 times it has been when we have people come over for gathers like thanksgiving. My dog will sit in it and is very quite and does not go potty, until taken out, but I have not used it in any other capacity.


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Michela, you must know some men (smile)!

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Just like a guy right Jeanne? emoticon

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I don't think males get worse (mine have not), but they seem to go hot and cold, back and forth with the training, like they just somehow don't GET it.

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Well, Kenzie had a mishap this morning! Went and peed right on the leg of a console table in the living room! I did not catch him in the act so it is hard to do anything about it after the fact!
I hope this is not a sign if things to come! Do males get worse as they age? He was doing so well. emoticon

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My exercise partner has a tzu/terrier mix and she said when the dog would have a accident, she would put him in his kennel and then put the kennel out in the kitchen or where everyone was and let him sit in the kennel for an hour or so while everyone did their own thing. She said two times of that and her baby would not have any more accidents. I haven't tried this, but my little guy has been doing so good lately since the weather has warmed up.



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As my husband likes to say, these dogs don't have a mean bone in their bodies, but they also have a definite mind of their own when it comes to what they WANT to do. Funny little furry guys!

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thanks for all the advice, so so appreciated. I did teach Coconut to go outside pee pee and potty; she understands that, she sometimes does not chose to listen however, most of the time she does. It is mostly when we are not home, so I will try the potty tray at the back door see if that works....


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So true Jeanne! They are literally babies!

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Little people...all of them. But doubt they will ever be out of diapers.

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Oh Julie that is precious! LOL how can we not love them to pieces?

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I love your solution for Abby, Michela. Glad it worked out so well.

You will like how we improved Riley's pooping issues.... We started rewarding him with a treat whenever he pooped outside. That has seemed to help and whenever he squats and does his business, he comes running back to us all happy and cheery with tail a-waggin. I have to say, though, it's hard to know whether to laugh or cry when you're sitting at the table and he comes running in with the same happy, cheery, tail wagging (!). At least we know it's time to go looking for the surprise! LOL!

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Robin, when I first got Abby at 2.ryrs old, she was not housebroken since she was a kennel dog. First night I had her she pooped on the couch and she had a few episodes. Since we live in a condo I showed her the door to the balcony and would always say go make poo poo, pee pee outside. It did not take her long to figure out that she had to go out that door but then when she had to go and we were not around she did it just in front of that door which is a sliding glass door. So I put a boot tray with newspaper on it right there and ever since if she has to go when we are not around to take her out she always goes there.

Jeanne, I would rather pick up the solid than the wet, especially on carpet! emoticon

Julie, good luck with that. It would be awesome if someone does contact you!

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That's a great idea, Jeanne. In fact, I just looked up Cesar's website and sent an e-mail. Of course, the odds of a response are minimal, but I'll cross my fingers and let everyone know if I hear anything!

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Robin, I think we are all dealing with the same problem. I did hear it was a tzu trait of sorts--very hard to house break, but impossible to get rid of them. They are TOO loved.

I have thought of contacting the dog whisperer to see if he has suggestions. It really is frustrating. My daughter is moving into a rental soon with her 3, and I dread what they will do (they are not thoroughly potty trained either). And we have a doggy door! Maybe they just like leaving little gifts for us (mostly wet, but sometimes solid, too).

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I can relate, my girl is not housebroken either, for the most part I come home from work to a mess. I ask my kids to let her out as soon as they get in from high school but by then she has already relieved herself. I was going to put her outside while I am away but she is able to escape so I can not do that. I notice if I get up and take her out early morning she will do so, and in the evening after she eats, it is mostly when we are out. Any suggestions?????


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They are too funny!

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Oh he is a sneaky one! That is great that they love their crates! I could never get mine used to it. Charlie was really bold and would lift his leg right there in front of us. Every morning before we got the diaper I would go around doing an inventory check to see if he peed anywhere.
It was much easier just to change his diaper. Sometimes though he did mange to slip out of it. emoticon

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The poor guy! LOL! I could try that with Riley when he is loose in the house.. All the dogs go to their crates when we are gone (they love them). He never has a mishap in his crate, so it's obviously not a "holding it" issue. It's when we are home and he is out and about without our noticing that these little markings are occurring. Of course, he's sly enough that we never catch him in the act...!

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Julie, one point I started putting a doggie diaper on him when we went to bed and when we left him home alone. We would find it wet lots of times but at least it was that much less pee all over the place. You might want to try that. You can get them at a pet supply store and I used to line it with extra thick, extra long sanitary napkins.He looked so funny with it on, like a tou tou. emoticon


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Know what you mean about having him back, Michela. :) That's what we saw happen with Riley, too. He never great about going outside, but we didn't see the marking occur until the last year or so. I can move my kitchen table out from the wall and find that he's left his calling card on the entire perimeter of the kitchen. Grrrrrr!

Let us know how the food bowl location works, Jeanne!

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Sorry to hear that Julie.

My beloved Charlie became a chronic marker. He just started doing it one day and never stopped. He did ruin alot of furniture too, Seemed if there was a place for him to lift his leg he would do it. We tried everything with him and it never worked for long. I would put up with it if I could have him back with us. Now I look at those spots where he ruined some furniture and smile thinking of him.
I hope Kenzie does not start doing it as he gets older. I am watching him closely. He will do inside on one spot only so far if he gets up during the night and has to go.

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Food bowl is a good one to try. Mine go outside to potty, then right back in and do it again. Like you said, FRUSTRATING! I go through so much expensive deodorizer and I shampoo carpets at least twice a month. Wearing them out...and not always finding every spot, either. Hard to "catch" them all the time.

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It is SO frustrating! We just installed new laminate flooring in our office, where we had to remove some doors to install the floors. While doing that, we found where Riley has been urinating on the doorframe -- apparently for a long period of time. We had to cut out the door frame and part of the base floor and replace it. I've read a book on housebreaking to get ideas to help with this. Riley (and I assume many others) would be categorized as "the chronic leg lifter". Apparently it's common for these dogs (usually males) to continue the leg lifting even after they've just come inside from pottying. Unfortunately, this is apparently the worst type to correct -- it's considered "marking behavior". They had suggestions for restarting like you would a puppy -- confining for much of the time, then a period of time to be out playing while they are monitored, etc. Their most important emphasized suggestion is to deodorize and get rid of smells and evidence of prior "accidents".

If your dog is continuing to go in the same inappropriate place time after time, t hey suggest putting their food bowl in that spot. They don't like to relieve themselves while they eat. Hope that idea helps someone! :)



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I was so glad to see this post. I thought it was just my "little boy" who had accidents all the time, but feel somewhat better know there are others with this concern. So far he has "accidents" only in the guest bedroom and the computer room, and it can be right after he was outside. So maddening. We have got to the point where we keep him in his house or crate during the day. Love that dog, but drives me crazy!

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Yes, good luck to us ALL

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Thanks for sharing, everyone. It's good (but kinda sad!) to know I'm not the only one fighting this battle! Sounds like the boys tend to have more issues than the girls, but still... SO frustrating. Sounds like it will continue to be a matter of training MYSELF to remember to take Riley out every hour or two when he's out of his crate rather than training HIM!

Let me know if any of you find success in some way!

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I am with "Cutie". I can't worry about it, or I'll go crazy. I keep them on pads and outside as much as possible, spot clean as needed and then I clean all carpets (I have my own cleaner) twice a month. Still get some stains, but I do get smells out.

It is a challenge.

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Same here. Both my girls potty in the house. Had Piper from a puppy, rescued Bobbie Gwen. Doesn't matter, however, Bobbie is worse than Piper. Loves to pee on the carpet, and the bed! I kennel them at night too. I don't think either of them will ever be potty trained, so I have decided not to care, it keeps me sane! I just clean A LOT! emoticon

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My Charlie, who passed away Aug 2010, used to pee everywhere . He did not always do it and then just started marking everywhere. He did have a favorite spot where he went when he had to go so we put plastic with a pad there for him. So far so good with my rescue Kenzie. He goes inside once in awhile mostly when he has to go and we are still asleep and don;t hear him get up. My girl Abby is good and she also has a boot tray with paper on it that she uses when she has to go.

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Both of my boys are older (4 and 5) and both still go in the house. I have resorted to laying out pads in a couple of their "favorite" places, which they usually use, but they still have an "accident" from time to time. I love everything about the dogs except THIS. Let me know if you find a solution. Others do not do this, so I don't know WHAT the reason is. I have noticed that they are more likely to not go outside right after a grooming, even if I put coats/jackets on them.

My name is Jeanne (pronounced Jean ee); I live in eastern Washington State.


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My little boy took longer than my girl. He is now three and has it all figured out unless we take him into a place with other males. Then we watch him closely. But he is the lover of the two and feels bad when corrected. So he tries to please.

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Does anyone else have issues with their Shih Tzu and pottying? My boy is 5 now and so frustrating! I've had a LOT of dogs over the years and he is the worst as far as housebreaking. We can take him outside, he'll pee and then we can find that he's peed somewhere in the house within the next 20 minutes. I don't know if he's "marking" or just feels every vertical surface is "fair game". We'll find puddles on/near our recliner, refrigerator, doors, walls, etc. It is TOO frustratrating! Of course we have tried crate training, etc., and never seem to be able to get past this.

Much of the time he doesn't even seem INTERESTED in pottying. We can be gone to work all day and come home to let the dogs out (he is in his crate while we are gone and never has an accident). He'll wander around outside "investigating" or staring off into space for quite a while before he even attempts to pee. Need your input -- do you think there's something wrong with this guy (maybe just mentally?!)?

Otherwise, LOVE this little boy -- I think he's the happiest, sweetest dog we've had! I appreciate any thoughts from my fellow shih tzu lovers!

~~Julie~~


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