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{{I tried for two years on two of my good appys (both with excellent feet) and I could get three good rides and by then they were to sore to move out.}}

Have you considered boots? Some endurance riders have had great luck with various boots to keep barefoot horses going strong. Boots are generally cheaper than shoeing in the long run as well. Easy Boots have quite a few different models now, some that even stay on, lol. Renegades are receiving decent reviews. Swiss boots are a favorite of the barefoot guy I learned from, thought they have to be custom fitted. There are quite a few options out there to help keep your barefoot horses riding more often.

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12/28/09 12:52 A

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I trim all of our horses and our boarders horses myself. I learned a natural technique based on Pete Ramey's trimming books and methods. They all go sound in the arena and on the trail. Only a couple need front boots for rocky trails, but they do fine otherwise. We jump, do Dressage, and have western riders. They all go great barefoot, even the "thin soled" TB!! ;-)

I also feed a natural grain-free diet with 24/7 turnout (only in to eat their "feed", then back out). I found that this helps greatly with the success of barefoot horses. I feed alfalfa pellets with flax and a custom blend of vitamins, minerals, and amino acids from horsetech.com. They get free choice bermuda/local grass mixed hay. My horses do not get any other feed or grains. My "hard keeper" keeps his weight on with just 1/2 scoop of alfalfa pellets (3qt scoop, about 2 lbs) and 1/2 cup of flax!!

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My 4yo TB/Hanoverian cross has never had shoes and gets a trim about every 7-8 weeks. He'll stay barefoot as long as that works for him - we don't ride him hard or in rough terrain & he's never had a problem, though he's not nuts about walking on gravel. I also like to keep him unshod because he's in a paddock full of rough boys and they all play HARD & most of them are also shod front only or barefoot. I feel better about keeping him without shoes with all his buddies also being bare in back - and I don't want him hurting someone else's baby!

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My horse foaled years ago. I got her when she was 8 & it was before that & she foundered in her twenties. I agree with not shoeing if you don't need to; Sofana was the first in many years & I did distance riding on all sorts of terrain. But I took off the shoes in the summer when we didn't do the distance.

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Great topic, I have done it both ways. What I find is (here in lava rock country of Idaho) I cannot get enough miles on a barefoot horse to keep them in condition. I tried for two years on two of my good appys (both with excellent feet) and I could get three good rides and by then they were to sore to move out. So I shoe from about April till Nov and shoe the two I ride most for that time. I have 4 to ride so cannot alway keep shoes on them all. I use the barefoot ones a bit less and keep the two with shoes in condition. I ride around Sun Valley in the Mtn.s which requires a well conditioned horse at all times. So I usually keep my endurance mare and my Granddaughters horse with shoes. My dressage mare and my hubbys horse without. Course all that can change as can life. Happy Trails Cee

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12/22/09 12:31 P

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Great topic, thanks for starting it. I started learning to trim my own horses about 10 years ago, too. I had been through several farriers and a vet who told me my mare had genetically weak hooves and would always need shoes. Didn't make sense to me at all so I delved into an intense learning curve. That was back before the internet had hardly any info about barefoot trimming. I hooked up with some of the people starting the movement so I could learn along side them. One year into it, the same vet who didn't remember what he told me, looked at my horse and said, "You are lucky she can go barefoot, not all horses have such strong hoovesl" Ugh... Anyway, back then I got accused of trying to save money by going shoeless. If they only knew how much I spent learning, buying tools, setting up rocky alleyways to keep them conditioned, etc., believe me, it was not cheaper at first. But now it is... yippee... and it's so liberating to not have to rely on a farrier anymore. Finally, our town got an excellent trimmer and I do have her come out and trim one of my horses... I do the other two... and that way I have someone as a back up if ever needed. She's such a wonderful and skilled person and runs her business well, too, not like the farriers I've used in the past. I remember how intimidated farriers would get when I asked them questions. Looking back, I think they just didn't have the answers.

I tried boots for awhile but found them to be too much trouble and prefer to just go without and it has been working very well. Knowing what I know now, nailed on shoes just aren't an option for me. That being said, I don't criticize those who do keep their horses shod. It's a personal choice and I understand the insecurity involved in going a new route. I had to endure a LOT of criticism from various peers and professionals when I started. And I made some mistakes, too, especially since there just wasn't any real help nearby. But I knew, and my horses knew, that we were doing what was best... that kept me focused when the going was rough.

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I work at a horse rescue and even when I had my own horses we rarely ever shoed. If there is a medical reason for a horse to wear a shoe we would definitely do it then but otherwise it isn't always needed. Also I do know some riders who ride frequently on gravel areas and they have chosen to shoe their horses. There are some pros and cons to that though because I think with the shoe on it is easier for rocks to get caught up in dirt clogged in the shoe, but at the same time sometimes you get less soreness of feet with them on.

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Fana52 did your mare ever foal? My did and retained a bit of placenta which caused her to founder.
Longwaydown I agree with you about shoeing .People think they are doing their horses a favor by shoeing but more often than not it just isn't necessary.As for trimming we can go 6-8 wks in summer and longer in the winter.My young mare needs to be done more often cause she was a product of a bad farrier job and hard training and had just started to bow a tendon.She is sound but we have to make sure her toes don't too long.

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I'm in North Florida and the footing is mostly sand... All my horses are barefoot and always have been. I only shoe for medical reasons...

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Ahh ok could be age too. Our horse was only 5years old when it happend.

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Carol, The Vet & farrior agree shoes for life. I did ride her after founder & drove her too as she got older; but one day whenI hooked her up she took 2 steps & then looked back at me which is very unlike her so I retired her at 27. But for grass founder she has very little grass & hay wasn't changed either. The only thing I can come up with is the acorn were heavy that year but she's been in that pasture for years & no problem.

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FANA we had a horse that foundered from too much grass. We had him barefoot the entire time and even through his recovery. His fine and rideable again with no problems.

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12/21/09 12:26 A

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I'm a huge barefoot advocate, although I don't deny that shoeing has it's place in the horse world.
I just think that too many people shoe their horses "just because"... and not enough people give their horses a rest from shoes to see if they can go barefoot with proper care!

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I sure wish my girl could go barefoot again but she foundered & must have shoes. I only put shoes on when we did distant riding & rode long & hard. Wish I knew why she foundered; no change in food, no stress, no hard riding. Any Ideas?

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My girls are 17 and 18 and have never had shoes on, they are doing great.

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My horses are both barefoot and will remain that way. Not because of the barefoot movement, but I just don't ride in rough enough terrain to warrant them. Actually, our farrier told us that going with boa boots or old macs would be the best way for our mare and gelding. If we were to start riding rough terrain on a more regular basis, then we'd consider shoes.

As far as trimming - in the winter we are able to go out 10/12 weeks because their hooves grow so much slower, in the summer we are on an 8 week schedule.

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I had a TB off the track and as part of the re-training, I pulled the shoes. With the farrier's input, we realized he was doing just fine without shoes, and never put them back. It also made him much more accepted at boarding facilities because if by some chance he kicked another horse, the damage wouldn't be as bad. We had a road to access a trail as well, and he did just fine barefoot. We just didn't rush.

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I live in the desert too and we do a lot of wash riding and I have to use the SMB too, and have used them for a while (The track gelding has 2 old bowed tendons so he needs tons of support on his legs). SMB has these black coated canvas type covers to velcro over the boots. They stay on really well, even in tough terrain (and they're cactus resistant), and they keep the sand out of most of that fuzzy velcro material. You might get some sand in the very bottom seam or the top line seam, but not much else. works great!

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12/18/09 9:51 A

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Thank you, KAYDE_ROSE! Good info.

I do not ride him long or hard as he is young, so for now barefoot should be just fine.

If I do go to a boot, I will try the one with the strap.

The water crossing is 40 minutes on way home to barn, so he would not have a wet boot on for very long.

As a side note, I do use the Professional Choice SMB II performance sport boots (GREAT product!) and find the sand here in the desert tends to get in them no matter what, so I'd imagine with the hoof boots it would be even more so.

I originally got them to protect him from the rattle snakes, but found them to be great all around protection.

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I've had both EZ boots and the Boa boots. Both do well on horses once they get used to them at the extended trot. They may collect sand some when going in deep sand, but it shouldn't be too bad, better wet than dry. I would say crossing water shouldn't be a problem either unless you leave them on for the next 12 hours after crossing water, in which case the horses hoof will soften and weaken when the shoes do come off because they sat in water too long. EZboots have a model of boot that has an ankle strap that keeps the boot in place instead of the teeth on the inside that some of the boots have. I find this does less damage to the hoof wall and the coronet band. If you're concerned about the boot rubbing, often small adjustments can be made to the boots to keep that from happening.

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Our horses for the most part remain barefoot. On occasion they are a necessary evil as our farrier once put it.My DH's gelding has a tendancy to be thin soled so he gets shoes put when he needs to ride the horse hard otherwise they are pulled as soon as possible.Personally I think if you can get away from it the better off your horse is .Case in point our old gelding wore an 0 shoe when we bought him as a 6 yr old. He is now 23 and hasn't had a shoe on since then.We still have those shoes hanging in the barn and they wouldn't come close to fitting now, his feet have spread out and his heels haven't been contracted for years .We have roped, team penned, I am now doing some cutting and we haven't been a lot of places where shoes have been required due to the footing.


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I got my mare when she was 5, and I don't think she had ever had shoes on... I never put shoes on her (sold her this past summer) ... Farrier hated her... said he couldn't make any money on her... then said she was the type of horse a farrier needed because farriers never have time to work on their own horses!

Her son, my 3 year old, Eddie... has never worn shoes. The farrier has looked at his hooves every time he's been out there, but more often than not he just looks at them and sends him off... saying he doesn't need anything. Occasionally a rasping... only clipped his hooves 1-2 times I think. Apparently Eddie got his mom's good hooves. Eddie will be going to the trainer for 6 months this coming year though, and I know the trainer keeps his World Champion stallion with shoes on, so he may recommend them for Eddie. We'll see what happens.

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I have really been wondering about boots! I have yet to try them.

At the stable next to where I board my horse, a retired mounted policeman was kind enough to loan me a set of his Old Mac boots.

He said that is what most all Officers use and they are very good boots expecially for paved street riding, which I unfortunately have to travel across for a good mile to get to the lovely trail systems in the Bosque.

I tried them on (my horse, that is!) but was afraid by the looks of it that they would rub the coronet band or pasterns.

They appeared to fit him hoof wise but with his long, sloping, thin pasterns and the bulky, klunky boots I was concerned.

On the other hand, he is young and VERY reactive so it would be good impact reduction for his legs given that the seemingly never ending street is the spookiest part of our ride.

Has anyone used boots and if so, which kind and how did they work 'in the real world' at an extended trot down the trail, over a short water crossing, in deep sand, etc? Please share!

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Ha lucky. I might go with Old Macs. I have decided. Depends on what will fit Sassy, she has more of a rounded hoof so most things dont fit her according to the measurements.

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The boots are great for horses with tender feet or rides on rough terrain. We have an EZBoot outlet near us, so thats what we wound up buying, but I hear the BoaBoots are good too.

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My 7 year hold Apendix Quarter horse has been barefoot since I bought her when she was 3 years old. She has been great. Gravel can be a problem but I plan on getting boots like Boas or something along those lines. My 4 year old mutt has been barefoot since day one. She has the best looking feet. I get mind done every 4-6 weeks depending on how fast their toes grow. I will never go back to shoes. EVER.

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All you lucky folks with lovely Mustangs ~ what a savings on farrier bills!
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My boy is barefoot but not because of a barefoot movement per se.

I just liked that it was cheaper than putting shoes on him!





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our is mustang too...that's why the farrier says 9 weeks...they hardly grow

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My 3 year old is and will remain barefoot!

I do ride the trails so I make sure to avoid all gravel areas.

I have had since he was a a yearling and keep a rigid schedule of every 4 weeks to ensure perfect balance and hoof condition since he is still growing.

I will probably go to every 6 weeks next year.

In my opinion, letting hooves get too long puts undue pressure on pasterns, tendons, ligaments and joints.

That is why I have my farrier out frequently to maintain his hooves as close as possible to the ideal angle for his particular hooves with a hoof measure to ensure ongoing soundness.

His hooves do grow really fast, so that is why 4 weeks works for him right now, tho too frequent for most horses.

That being said, I would not go beyond 6 weeks on a horse that is ridden regularly - just my thoughts on the barefoot topic :)

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Oh how i wish that my horse could go "natural". God knows I have tried him but his feet won't stand it for more than a month given the terrain we travel. I wouldn't put shoes on unless you have to...just my opion. My son's horse is six and never had shoes as is my girl friends.

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My mustang is almost 3 years old and he has never had shoes, just gets a trim every 8 or 9 weeks. I'm hoping to keep him that way as I start riding him in March, but we'll see. I don't think there's anything wrong with NOT shoeing a horse as long as his feet seem strong enough.
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mine have never had shoes...they get trimmed every 9 weeks and are great.


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Does anyone else subscribe to the barefoot movement? I've been keeping my horses barefoot for almost 10 years now. I have a very special kind of trimmer that bases how the horses are trimmed on how wild horses feet grow naturally. It saved my thoroughbred gelding. He went lame when a shoer put shoes on him and scooped all the sole out of his foot. Now he's growing his sole back and hasn't been lame since. I was just wondering if anyone else knew about this time of hoof care. Its GREAT!

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