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6/29/09 10:56 P

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I'm LOL right now...I had that very breakfast while on vacation, thus giving myself "permission" to eat them. Most delicious, non-nutritious, diabetic-nightmare thing I probably ever ate. I think your guess at carbs is probably correct. IHOP really isn't the place for diabetics, is it? :) emoticon

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HJENSEN7 Posts: 57
1/13/09 3:40 P

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I think carb counting is also used more by pumpers because we can bolus down to that detail. I'm also pretty carb sensative (my breakfast ratio is 1:6, and I generally can't do more than 30g carb!). I also went to carb counting because if you're off by 4 or 5 on 3 items you're having in a meal, that adds up to another carb exchange. I also was counting carbs to figure out my exchanges anyway, so I just cut out the exchange part.
I think slices of bread are the best example on the differences between carb counting and exchanges. I rarely have a slice of bread with as few as 15g carb.

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1/13/09 2:30 P

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Counting exchanges works if you're not that carb sensitive, but unfortunately I am. The 15 grams per exchange is more of an estimate than an exact count. For instance, one slice of whole wheat bread is generally 15g carb, but if you look at the nutritional info in bread, it really varies and some slices are 13g and some are 20g or more. When I eat out I do use the exchanges for estimates, but when I prepare things myself I use the actual nutrition information.

For me, I have to count all the carb grams in my food and I bolus for any amount of carbs, even 2 grams. My insulin to carb ratio is generally 1:10, but first thing in the morning I am more carb sensitive and my ratio then is 1:8. Luckily my insuling pump wizard does the math for me!

Calorieking.com has a great database. You can search things like Starbucks or international foods, etc. I use that or I use fitday.com for my carb counts.

those pancakes sound disgusting!

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1/9/09 2:33 P

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Thanks, Super. Its interesting that 15 is the magic number for an exchange; Hubby can't have much more more than 15 grams of carbs for a snack without needing a shot, so he's already to learn to count 15 grams worth of a number of different foods. Perhaps that is a magic number for a lot of people.

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1/9/09 1:03 A

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www.mayoclinic.com/health/diabetes-d
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I only bother with carb exchanges, so each "serving" of food I eat with 15 grams of carb counts as one exchange. I think its a lot easier to count 1+2+2.5 exchanges than to sit around counting 15+30+38grams of carbs, either way its the same food, just a different way of counting it.

The exchange list essentially puts foods into carbohydrate and calorically equal serving sizes so there's a little bit less guessing and mental math involved, but its not an exact science. Some foods will list on under their nutrition panel how many and what kind of exchanges a serving is worth, but otherwise you have to either look it up until you get the hang of it or memorize the guidelines and do some quick division practice. Entertainingly, I am really good at multiplying and dividing by 15 because of the exchange system, but don't ask me to do any other number beyond 10. emoticon

If you google "diabetic exchange list" you'll get a bunch of results that will have more info for you.


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1/8/09 4:45 P

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Is there a web site you like to reference for counting exchanges? Hubby and I are not familiar with that.

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1/8/09 2:15 P

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If you use the article's guess of
1,310 calories
52 g fat
you can back into an answer of 210g of carbs assuming the pancakes are all carbs and fat (no/negligible protein).
Given that 1g of fat =9 calories, 52 g of fat would account for 468 calories, leaving 842 calories from carbs.
Given that 1g carb = 4 calories, 842 calories from carbs would have to come from 210 grams of carbohydrate.
For those of us who count exchanges, that's 14 exchanges, and thats off the "conservative" guess in the article!
Just for fun, I figured if I ate that for breakfast (and actually ate it all without getting sick), I would need approximately 30 units of insulin to cover that (2 units for 1 exchange).

There's a reason those pancakes ended up on that list!!!
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HJENSEN7 Posts: 57
1/7/09 3:46 P

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That does sound delicious!

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1/7/09 3:35 P

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"I really hope most people don't believe that Butterscotch Pancakes are a real breakfast..."

I used to.

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That's why I was 50lbs overweight.

My favourite breakfast out was Cinnamon Roll French Toast from Moxies here in Canada. Its a Cinnabon-style roll dunked in egg and fried then served with vanilla icecream, whipped topping and maple syrup.

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HJENSEN7 Posts: 57
1/7/09 3:10 P

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You're probably right. I wasn't even thinking about the fact that there's probably a handful of butterscotch chips and granola in *each* pancake. I don't even eat desserts with that many carbs (200g)! I really hope most people don't believe that Butterscotch Pancakes are a real breakfast. at least, not with the picture that was included with the article (which I imagine is on the menu).

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I'm guessing closer to 200 carbs. I used the Spark Nutrition Tracker -- yah, I was bored LOL -- to add up the ingredients based on the description. Either way, it sounds like a big, nasty desert disquised as breakfast food.


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1/7/09 2:41 P

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I was reading this week's Spark email and went to the link for "The 11 Worst Foods of 2008". I came upon the IHOP butterscotch pancakes where IHOP didn't provider nutritional information, so the article author ventured a guess-timate on calories and fat, but not carbs.
I thought it would be fun, with all of our expertise in carb counting, to guess-timate the carb content of this desserty breakfast.
The artcile:

"Butterscotch Rocks Pancakes at IHOP

That IHOP doesn't provide nutritional info should be enough reason to skip breakfast. Most of the foods gracing the pages of its large glossy menu are desserts masquerading as breakfast and have more toppings than a banana split!

We shook our heads at the "stuffed" French toast, dropped our jaws at the coffee cake pancakes and finally threw down our forks at the Butterscotch Rocks pancakes:

"Four fluffy buttermilk pancakes filled with pecans, granola and butterscotch chips, then topped with whipped topping and drizzled with caramel sauce."
Needless to say, these pancakes didn't find their way onto the "IHOP for Me" healthier section of the menu. This dish seems to be the winner of a "how many sweet-and-sugary-toppings-can-we-cram-onto
-a-stack-of-pancakes" contest!

We conservatively estimated the nutritional content of these pancakes based on menu description.

1,310 calories
52 g fat

A standard 4" pancake has just 80 calories and 3 grams of fat; however, IHOP's flapjacks would dwarf your homemade ones. You could eat more than a dozen regular 4-inch pancakes with a 1/4 cup of syrup and a tablespoon of butter for the same calories. "


My ventured guess is 120g carb. I'm thinking each of those pancakses is easily 20g carb a piece.

Any takers?

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