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5/25/09 2:22 P

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Phew, Anarie... definitely run while you have the chance. It's one thing to lose employees because of the economy. It's an entirely different matter when you lose employees because you don't treat them well.

I take it this company has a high turnover rate ? It doesn't surprize me one bit. Of course, considering how bad the economy is, I'm sure they'll be able to find replacements once they put out the help wanted sign.

However, good for you for getting while the getting is good ! Don't work for a company that doesn't care about their workers. That's a company that is going to run itself into the ground.





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Wow. They sound like real winners for employers. NOT!

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So, here's the update. The boss's husband splits his time between our office and another one outside of town. He's the "lead" at the other one. (Not much leading involved; there's just him and one other employee, and rumor has it that the other employee does all the work, while he lies about even showing up out there. Granted, that's just gossip, but it wouldn't surprise me.) The other employee just gave notice, which is why the boss ultimately turned down my vacation request.

So the gossip I got on Saturday was that boss's hubby was planning on having me take over for the one who's leaving his branch. Yeah, right. I get 15mpg out of my truck; no way I'm driving two counties over for a $10.50 job. I'd be spending 20-25% of my pay on gas. Plus, at that place there's only one person on duty at a time so you don't even get bathroom breaks. I wouldn't take it even if I didn't know that part of the job involves lying about when the other guy shows up.

Anyway, I have a strong feeling that when I give my notice, they're going to try to talk me out of it by promising me a "promotion" to that job (which isn't as totally stupid as it sounds because it would make me eligible for insurance.) It's really going to bite for them when I say no, because I'm sure they've started counting on it. Instead, within the span of a few weeks, they're going to lose at least two and probably three of the total of 6 employees. In fact, they might lose all four; the other guy is P.O.d because boss scheduled him to work 4th of July without even asking if he had other plans. (She scheduled me for the 4th, too. I think I'd be mad if there were any chance I'd be there.)

Anyway.

I think it's best for me to get out of there. I took this job because it was supposed to offer flexible scheduling, but it turns out they meant *I* would have to be flexible and work whenever the heck they wanted. I WILL be able to find other work that'll pay better, be more interesting, and probably truly let me set my own hours; it's just that I hate the whole job search process.

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5/23/09 3:50 P

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Anarie, how's the temping in your area ?

I'm with Twist, ask your boss one more time if it's okay to take time off. If she says,"no", then give your two weeks notice.

This job isn't worth it and you could work temp once you get back from your trip. I know temping isn't the greatest, but it could get your foot into the door of a better company.

Now, here's a possible scenario... if you folks are that short handed and you give your two weeks notice, the boss may reconsider her position. She may let you take the time off if she really needs the help that badly.

In short, you may have the high ground and can negotiate. Otherwise, Twist is right... laugh maniacally as you walk out the door.

No job is worth the kind of grief this woman has given you.






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5/23/09 12:35 P

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I think you and Twist are on the right track. Try to help her see the light. If that doesn't work, wait and give two weeks notice. If she doesn't let you work the last couple of weeks, you'll have time to sign up with temp agencies and post resumes before your once-in-a-lifetime trip!

Good luck!

~Alicia
“When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life.” -John Lennon


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5/22/09 5:02 P

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Yeah, unemployment is not in the picture. I haven't worked enough wage-earning hours; most of my work is independent contracting.

I work tomorrow with the coworker who's least involved in the office politics. Normally I work Tuesdays so he can have them off. (His wife is on a weird schedule where Tues & Weds are her "weekend.") Then I work Saturdays so boss can have them off. If this coworker will take my Tuesdays, maybe in exchange for some Fridays down the line, then this whole thing is about boss not wanting to work two Saturdays. I won't say it out loud to her, but I'll figure out a way to help her realize that she can work two Saturdays while I'm gone and have a grateful employee, or she can work two Saturdays while I'm gone AND eight or nine more Saturdays while she looks for someone to replace me and trains them.

You know, this is starting to look like a good thing. I don't like this job, it's taking a lot of time away from my dissertation, there's no future in it, and I can see it all dissolving anyway if the boss continues to mess up little things as she's been doing. If she gets fired, there wouldn't be work for the rest of us while they were replacing her. She had a major security boo-boo this week that was entirely her fault, plus she's apparently lost an employee and will soon lose me, which is going to make it next to impossible to keep the place going.

So, really, any option I exercise is going to have the effect of Twist's suggestion for option 6. This is gonna hurt her a lot more than it hurts me... emoticon

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5/22/09 3:44 P

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You forgot option 6: flipping her off and running out the door while laughing maniacally! :-)

ok, ok...

I would do a variation of option 1 & 3. Basically say, are you really sure you can't give me the time off, I have these obligations... and if she refuses. Then wait till it's time to give the 2 weeks notice. I seriously doubt that telling her in advance that you'll quit will sway things in your favour, given her behaviour thus far.

If you quit, you can't collect UI. If you're laid off or terminated without just cause, then you're eligible.

I think if you give notice and she tells you to pack up your stuff immediately, you may still be eligible for unemployment benefits, but I'm not 100% sure on that one.

One way or another, I don't think you should feel childish about this for a trip. It's a matter of principle! Your boss is being a hardass because of her inability to do her job and punishing you out of vacation time. That qualifies as nothing other than bull. Take your trip, have a blast, come back and get a job that suits you better....

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5/22/09 2:24 P

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I would consider option 1
Then if she says..fine you can leave now..basically you were laid off or let go. Explain to her again the importance of these two occasions to you and that you gave her ample notice for vacation time.

and 3.
Giving a two weeks notice is good. When you give it she may respond with giving you the time off if she is short handed and wants to keep you on.

I don't know the laws anymore but can you draw unemployment if you quit a job? You may want to start looking into the job market and at your financial situation if you do lose this job and can't draw unemployment for quitting.

I sure hope you can get the time off and keep the job until you find something better.



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5/22/09 2:08 P

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Okay. Here's the situation. I have a crummy part-time job proctoring tests for $10.50 an hour. I'm also planning a trip for the end of June/beginning of July, for a grad school reunion and my niece's wedding, which coincidentally fell in the same week. Because both are happening in fairly remote areas, the only way to do this is to drive, and it's a 3-4 day trip each way. I'm actually planning to take a bit longer than that on the way back, both because I want to see some things along the way and because I don't feel it's really safe to drive straight through.

I asked for the time off sometime in March. My boss didn't reply for six weeks, and then she said no. I asked her to reconsider because even though the dates looked like a wide spread, it was only 3 shifts. She looked at the dates and said that actually it looked okay...but she didn't approve it officially. Now this morning I got an e-mail saying she couldn't approve it after all. Somebody resigned (not sure who, because everyone's still accounted for on the schedule), and for some bizarre reason they decided to open for testing on July 4.

So. I'm not giving up my trip, not for a job that only brings in $500 most months. It's about 4 weeks away. I AM scheduled for quite a few hours between now and then, which I'd like to work and get paid for.

Should I:

1) ask her to reconsider and let her know that I'm planning to quit otherwise (and risk losing the work between now and then--although I think she'd have me work anyway 'cause she's short-handed.)

2) not say anything unless I'm asked, and then say that I haven't made a decision

3) say nothing at all until I give 2 weeks notice, and risk losing those last few shifts

4) say nothing at all until I leave my letter of notice the last day I work before I leave (That would be 3 days' notice.)

5) say nothing to her, but let a coworker know I'm probably going to quit over this and see if the gossip drifts back to her

???

I've already RSVP'd for the wedding and paid for a room at the reunion. Staying here is not an option I'm willing to consider. I feel a little childish quitting a job over vacation time, but the trip is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and the job isn't. I'm pretty sure I won't do choice #4. I have no legal obligation to give notice, but I'd feel a little bit bad if I didn't. I don't particularly like my boss, but I do feel a little sorry for her because she's in over her head-- she recently got a promotion that she really can't handle, and she's made a couple of serious mistakes out of stress. If I quit without warning, she'll have to work 70-hour weeks herself to cover. (She'll have to work a few of those anyway, if I do give notice, because it takes a month or so to find someone and train them.)

I don't know. I'm rambling here. It's probably good for me to quit; I'm tremendously bored with the job and I don't see that there's any chance of it developing into anything worthwhile. But it was paying most of my rent.

Any ideas?

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