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It is necessary to frequently redefine our goals. The new ones (or revisions) appear to be extremely helpful. emoticon They are a great way to help maintain accountability. Many are things I attempt to actively practice, there are some new ones that look like they may be just what I need. Something isn't working, and I really need the extra push.
I appreciate the hard work you have put in in addition to all of the leaders to help with the often uncertain steps of maintenance. emoticon emoticon

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I love all the new goals and the fact they are "evidence based". I joined the "do 1 thing towards mental well-being each week" goal because that is the one I need to be reminded of the most.
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I am at goal and maintaining. Thanks to my friends on SparkPeople and in the real world who motivate me every day.

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I love the new goals.
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Thanks, MIRAGE727!

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For the goal "Do 200 minutes of activity per week " do we log the # of minutes each day or a weekly total at the end of the week or "1" for each 200 minutes?
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I figured we could just log our daily fitness minutes in there; at least that's what I'm doing.

It's kind of redundant with the spark fitness minutes but it seemed important to emphasize the behavior with the rest of them - provide a one-stop maintenance-specific accountability place.



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Great job, Anja!.

I just got on board tonight but recorded the past two days as well.

Good response on adding input, Team! "Xtreme Proaction!" Outstanding!


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OK, we've been discussing these for a week, and pretty much everyone has said they're OK with the changes (incorporating the wording we discussed), so I'm doing it!

You can see them here: www.sparkpeople.com/myspark/other_go
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The Spark People form for entering goals is a bit awkward (we're forced to enter numbers sometimes when it doesn't make sense), so some of them are worded in a weird way. If you're unsure, check the extra information about the goal, or ask here.

I included a URL for a research paper for each goal, providing supporting evidence for it.

Thanks everyone!

I'm hoping that accountability in adhering to these will help ME stay on track.
(And of course that they'll help everyone else, too!)
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7/5/11 1:04 P

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Change is good, let's do the new goals...

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The new goals look great!

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I'm horrified at gaining it back too... that's why I keep moving! emoticon emoticon emoticon





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@ MJREIMERS
Noted, thanks for your input!

@ NELLJONES
Thanks for the perspective. It helps to hear what it's like from the long view.

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6/29/11 5:21 P

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I am horrified at the possibility of gaining again (big concept), but not bothered by the day to day of it (small concept). I weight myself every day, and if I'm up a little, I cut back a little. I don't wring my hands like I did when I was losing (is it water? TTOM?), I just shrug and cut it back a little. I've been doing this for so long that the day to day of it no longer bothers me because I can always drop that pound or two in a day or two. After vacations (ALWAYS a 3 pound gain no matter how long the trip) when I can't weight myself, and even though I'm as careful as I can be, I manage to get back to normal in one week. It's a matter of faith now.

But that doesn't mean it's easy. Simple and easy are two different things. I sure do like hearing from everyone else that it really is just as simple as one piece of toast instead of two, or no bread with dinner tonite.

If you really want to ease anxiety at goal, graph your daily weight over a couple of years. It will look like a flat line. And each of those points is just one day, so that's how I think of it. Besides, at my age, time just goes faster and faster, so I might as well just do it on plan. I've never regretted the food I didn't eat.

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I would like to do the new goals. I can understand if some can't do the exercise, but for me it will keep me accountable. I've only been maintaining around three months so I need a lot of accountability for quite a while, especially since I have more difficulty in the winter.
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LOL I hear you, and I'm glad it helps.

One of the reasons I started researching maintenance in the first place was to help combat my own anxieties!

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I have to be honest. I've been concerned about maintaining and stressing about gaining. I'm too new to know what is good and bad for me. Everyone here has been most supportive and I'm glad you all are here.

Anja, we've communicated, and I must tell you that you have reduced my anxiety with positive action to take on maintaining. I'm good with changing it up and will be active on all accounts.

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@ VANANDEL
Thanks for the input. Glad the "monitor" wording works for you!

@ MOONCHILD17
Noted. Thanks for the input!

@ NELLJONES
LOL I hear you about the 5 years. The only reason I suggested it is because 1) we have actual scientific evidence that once you've managed for 5 years it's pretty much your new normal and 2) I was told that the idea of monitoring stuff for the rest of your life was too daunting for people and I wanted to give a concrete, evidence-based goal that people could wrap their minds around. I reasoned that if we could just get people to that 5-year mark in the first place, then they'd be more likely to stick with it for life.

Don't even get me started here on how people are dropped off the bus once they get to goal without any real transition tools. Tellya what, how about I start a whole new section on our forums just for suggestions and wishlists for tools we want? Then we could have whole threads just about trackers for maintainers, or trophies, or whatever.

I agree that SP would be an ideal place to build a solid evidence-based maintenance program. It would be the only resource like it, freely available, anywhere. I suspect if we want something like that we'll have to build what we can ourselves with what we've got using creativity, and if enough of us get involved in projects like that, maybe they'll notice us. If not, we'll still have the tools and resources we ourselves have built, and that's something.

@ JENN03275
Noted. Thanks!

@ KT67366
You're welcome! Glad you like the ideas and the modifications (that's why we're having this thread...) :-)

@ JCORYCMA
Thanks. Noted. And yeah, I'm reading more and more that having a fluids goal for people is kind of unhelpful. Let alone counting fluids with STUFF in them. LOL

@ SUSIEMT
Yeah, as noted way back up near the beginning of the thread, even NWCR says most maintainers individually don't do all of these things. Rather, if you look at the thousands of returned surveys those are the things that emerge. So people pick what works best for them, and these just happen to be the most common types of things that work for people.

About the mental health, I thought maybe it would be a good thing to emphasize because it shows up on both their list of predictors AND their list of behaviors. I agree that when everything else is in line mental health usually follows. But I have also noticed that if something really derails me I need to get the mental health in line FIRST just so I will make being healthy a priority. If my mind isn't straight, I'm not in a position to make positive choices about food and exercise.

@ WILLDO01
Sure, these goals are for us, to help us; so if any of them are meaningful or helpful to you, they're there for ya. There's no obligation to do them, certainly! :-)

@ MAARTJEBOL
Noted, and thanks. Yup, there's a lot of wisdom collected among the folks here. And creativity and energy.

@ BESTSUSIEYET
Noted, thanks! The only reason to use any team goals, as far as I can see, is if they help us as individuals. I hear you about the tracking overload. LOL I just wanted to try and make this team's goals fit with known maintenance-specific behaviors so that if anyone was slipping they would have a list of goals they could track to help catch themselves.

About the mental well-being, how about if I add "or focus on rest / sleep" to the goal? That way it's broader and can mean whatever mental well-being means to the individual tracking it.

@ TRYINGHARD1948
Noted, and thanks. I want to make sure that a resource like this really serves the needs of the team. And that means asking people what they want, what will help them the most, etc.


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Love the way you have stated your case for the new goals, very thoughtful and rational. I'm very happy to go with them.

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Woo Hoo Anja! I think your new list is great because it focuses on actions that will help us maintain and build on the healthy habits we are trying to strengthen. But must admit I rarely "join" team goals ... Just don't want to have to track too many things in too many places! Don't know that I had even looked at this team's goals since I first joined. I haven't tracked foods much in 18 months ... I use the quick track fitness minute tracker, rather than logging in specific exercises like I did the first year (while I was losing).

One suggestion, though. As others have said, all the other things are contributing to our mental well-being. What about replacing that goal with something related to getting recommended amounts of sleep nightly? I think that is so critical to maintaining a healthy weight AND our overall health! and something many of us neglect!

To All of you who are at a healthy weight and remaining faithful to the Healthy Habits that got you to that point, HOORAY! I learn from each of you as I encounter you on blogs, etc! emoticon

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I like the new goals. Also okay with leaving the water goals out. I only do 4-6 a day of water or allowable substitutes.

A local nephrologist recently said we have it all wrong. We overwork our kidneys by drinking so much water on a regular basis and really don't need that much. He thinks we should only drink when thirsty. I realize there are other knowledgeable people out there with different opinions but I know 8 a day is too much for me.

Thanks for taking on this challenge of leader. I'm really happy this team exists and look forward to participating in it.

Sounds like some great team members also with a lot of great advice to share.

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I'm fine with changing the goals. I typically try to pick one from each team and sometimes it is hard to find ones that I feel are meaningful.

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I like all 5 however if we are doing at least three of them I feel that is covering our mental health aspect. I especially like the 200 min. of exercise/activity per week, that keeps me in check! I totally agree with tracking my food! I can see where I am going wrong and in the long run that is what I need to keep me going strong. I also think it is important to do some kind of body check whether it is weighing, Body fat or monitoring your size. I know I couldn't do it without the checks and balances.

My vote is go for it!



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I too joined at goal because I was starting to creep into some old habits and I thought that tracking my food would be a good start. I googled nutrition tracker and found SP. Thank Goodness! Like the others, I appreciate you taking on the team AND really putting some effort into making it a great resource for us maintainers! As for the new goals -- count me in! As an in 8-ozcontinence nurse I can safely say that the old 64 or 8 - 8 oz glasses of water per day doesn't necessarily apply to everyone. True sometimes we mistake thirst for hunger and I'm definitely on board with drinking water INSTEAD of soda pop and too much caffeinated beverages, but some folks are probably overloading their kidneys by trying to drink that much water in addition to the other stuff. I never agreed with WW for letting you count diet soda pop as the same as water. I call it poison in a bottle/can and only undermines most of our diet efforts.
Oh Lordy don't get me started! Ooops! Too late.
Anyhow -- new goals in. Old goals out. And to the 73 yr old how was concerned about the exercise and tracking -- YOU LOOK FABULOUS! I'd never guess your age so you must be doing something right!

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Thank you for doing the research and for taking on the job of team leader. I think that the new goals make a lot of sense for maintenance, and even better with the few modifications I see throughout the thread.

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Nell.... I thought I was the only one who joined at goal, but it has kept me honest for almost 2 years.. I like the new goals.

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LOVE the new goals!!

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Why end a streak at 5 years? We want it to be for life! As many years as we have, which should be a whole lot more for those of us at goal.

A rollicking good forum for maintainers wouldn't give Spark the best resource for maintainers, it would be the ONLY resource for maintainers. Most other diets get you to goal then turn you loose. Only WW and OA have a continuing presence, and most WW lifetimers (I'm one) don't go back. Spark is free, it's readily available to anyone with an internet connection, and has a lot of health info that's valuable. Food and health have changed a lot since I lost my weight, but the method of keeping my weight off is still the same. I came to Spark at goal, and need people around to remind me every day that Reeses are still fattening. And I need to hear the dailiness of maintaining from other people who are just like me.

Spark needs to treat Maintenance as a stand-alone goal, not just graduate level Spark. They'll get more people. And the more the merrier!

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I agree with you. The new goals make a lot more sense and will keep us "honest" and accountable to ourselves. Thanks for all the time you've put in to researching this for us.
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I'm on board with the new goals too! They make sense and they are things I've been doing for years. I don't even have a scale at home, but "monitor" fits in with what I believe.

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@ VALKYR8 and FITMAMA2JH
Noted, and thanks for the feedback!

@ NELLJONES
I agree that a maintenance-oriented tracker option would be really nice. Unfortunately SP so far has not acted on any of my suggestions, starting from a blog I wrote in December 2009.
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That doesn't mean they won't ever, just that they are so far more interested in other ways of expanding the site (which is what they've told me several times).

Why not start a thread on the AG&M forums for a wishlist from maintainers? You could kick it off with your idea for a maintenance-oriented ticker, and as ideas occur to people they can add them to the thread. The more specific the better, because specific ideas are more likely to be understood and implemented. Then at some point if SP ever does show interest in expanding support for maintainers we'll have a list of ideas for them to act on...

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I vote yes for the new goals. Thank you for taking the lead on this much needed revamping for the goals.

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I've kept my weight off for a very long time now (brief uptick during menopause, remedied now), so I never much paid attention to Spark's goals.

Personally I consume 2 dairys per day, but that is just part of my old program. My "goal" is to keep within my Program.

Tracking is essential for those losing, but whatever works keeping it off has proof that it works. Personally I have a notebook, but it includes recipes and reminders to pay the taxes, so it's an all purpose notebook. I only use Spark's counter for the points.

You don't need 8 glasses of water per day, but 64 oz of liquid according to my dietician (who happens to be my son). Dieticians aren't sure where the need for "water" as a nutritional component came from, but it may be useful in staying full when trying to lose weight. So I just count liquid.

I agree that "activity" is better than "exercise". On Spark, their calorie targets are based on whether you are still, mildly or extremely active, so only formal exercise would alter your projected calorie burn. Way too complicated. Any activity that keeps you moving, like cleaning, walking, gardening really counts, even though it doesn't work with Spark's program.

It would be nice having the goals make more sense. Maintenance is more than Weight Loss Part II.

Now if you could just get them to have a "Maintenance Ticker" with goal in the middle and 5 pounds either side, it would be great. Their ticker is useless for maintainers.

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I like the proposed new goals and support the change for the group. Thanks!

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Noted, and thanks for the feedback!

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Let me echo a real thanks for taking on this team and revitalizing it. I love the new goals. It feels good to have goals related to maintenance research.


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Congrats on being leader and love the idea of the new goals. I did just go check and I am currently not signed up for any of this teams goals.

Water.. definitely ditch, everyone has it as does SP.

Personally, I never skip breakfast since getting on SP and learning how important it is.

I am obsessive and I get on the emoticon every day! I also track all my meals, take small portions, totally avoid fast food. I choose to read a magazine after dinner while the BF watches TV. I watch some, but multitasking as I do so! Certainly hit the exercise 200 minutes a week!

I've been maintaining for a while, so I agree that paper is right on!





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@ WALKWITME, CAROLJ94941, and JACKIERN
Noted, and thanks for the feedback!

(And thanx for the welcome, and you're totally welcome for the research - I've been doing that sort of thing on my own for my own purposes anyway, so why NOT apply it to stuff like team goals?)

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The new goals are good. I have a question, though -- when the goal is "once a week" or "200 minutes a week", do we only mark it once a week. This breaks our streak and reduces the points earned. Not a big deal -- just asking.

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I was good with the old goals, but I like the new ones as well. I really like that you took the time to find evidence-based goals!

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I like the new goals - and thanks for taking this on!

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I have no problems with new Changes as long as it helps me in the long run.

Change is Good !

Nice article.

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@ CARRIE1948
Noted, with 2 votes, the motion carries. LOL. New wording will be "monitor" rather than strictly "weigh."

@ _LINDA and ACLAYJAR
Noted, and thanks for the feedback!

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I like the new goals, they are things I would be more likely to track than the old goals.

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I think this is an excellent idea to revamp these oldies. Too many places already track water, its getting really old. The goals you mention are more for maintainers which is what we are all supposed to be, so its time they became more advanced then the ones common to a lot of teams for beginners. Good job on getting involved and active with this team!!

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I'm cool with rationale goals. Quite honestly, water drinking should be ingrained by the time maintenance is achieved.

I like the re-phrasing of monitor ... And, I agree it should be weight, body fat, or measurements. What the meaning is is that you keep focused on where you need to be.

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Noted, and thanks for the feedback!

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Though i was satisfied with the old goals, the new ones are fine, too!

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Welcome and thanks for taking on the team. I am fine with the new goals. I'm also really pleased to see that I already do all the recommended things for maintaining weight. That explains why I am at a steady healthy BMI.

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@ LAFEMMEDELALUNE

OK, dairy and exercise minutes and mental well-being noted.

For the weighing, the NWCR says people who are successful tend to weigh a minimum of once a week. But one thing that should be noted is that everyone has to do what works for them. The researchers say that these are the key behaviors that appear out of surveying thousands of maintainers. But not all maintainers are necessarily doing all of the key behaviors. So maybe weighing for you isn't so helpful. Maybe it's trying on your skinny jeans every two weeks or something like that.

How about if I modify the wording to something like "Monitor your weight, body fat, or size 1 time per week"? Would that work better for you?

@ POWER1938

Completely understandable about the 200 minutes of exercise. Technically the NWCR thing is "200 minutes of activity" so it could include basic activity like housework, shopping, stuff like that. I could change the wording from "exercise" to "activity" if you think that would help? You have an extenuating circumstance, and in any case as I mentioned above, not ALL maintainers do ALL behaviors. I'm most concerned about making sure the tools that help the most of us are there for us. If something isn't helpful for you, of course you don't need to do it!

About the tracking, I'd call keeping a mental note of fat grams "tracking." Basically I think any way that we want to interpret these goals that helps us do the things that we know are helpful to us individually is OK in my book.

Heck, I don't even use the SP tracker myself; I have one on my iPod. Maybe some day I'll be able to eat intuitively but I am really not there yet, so I know I need to keep tracking (I've seen what happens when I don't - YIKES)

@ CAROLJEAN64
Noted, and thanks for the feedback.

@ LOVINGIT7
Noted, and thanks for the feedback, and YOU STRUT THAT THANG - you worked hard for it! :-)

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Oh cool emoticon , I like the new team goals, but I didn't have a problem with the old ones either. Also, I have to admit I've been somewhat of a SLACKER, since joining the group (too busy strutting my new body) emoticon . I didn't really read the old team goals to know what I was to do weekly, daily etc. But now I have been updated, I have acknowledged and I am accountable. I'm in!! I hope others are on board as well. THANKS

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Thanks for doing the research to support these new goals. I love them and I think they will be helpful.

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There are two goals that I can't help with. that's 200 minutes of exercise per week. I am 73 & have a physical handicap as well. (neurological disorder.) But it's fine if the others want to do it. Secondly, tracking the food. I have been maintaining a long time without any tracking by simply keeping a mental note of how many fat grams each day. I wanted to wean myself off the food tracking, as I find it has a reverse effect on me by making me concentrate too much on food. I WANT TO FORGET food as normal eaters do. How nice it must be to get so involved in your llife that you don't even think about food....skip meals without knowing it....etc. Sigh!

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Old Goals:
I am glad to see the dairy item go!


New Goals:
I like the 200 exercise minutes addition (it helps me remember what the goal/minimum is for maintainers specifically :o) ).

I think the 5th addition is very important: "Do something positive toward mental well-being 1 time per week."

I am not sure how often I will weigh myself in the long run, but if once a week is what makes me more likely to be successful, then I am all for it. ;D


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Hello,

I am a new leader for the At Goal and Maintaining Team and I'd like to see if we can update some of our tools to foster behaviors scientifically shown to associate with successful maintenance.

Specifically, I'd like to modify our team goals to bring them in line with research from the National Weight Control Registry.

Spark Teams are only allowed 5 goals and I'd like ours to be evidence-based toward maintenance, if possible.

The NWCR published a paper in 2009 where they outlined the predictors and behaviors most associated with successful weight maintenance.

Here is the paper, if you'd like to read it. It's written in a pretty reader-friendly way, and not full of scientific jargon:
rimed.org/medhealthri/2009-02/2009-0
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Predictors of successful maintenance:

1) longer duration of weight loss maintenance (more than 2 years)
2) dietary consistency
3) less fast food consumption
4) less TV viewing
5) more frequent breakfast consumption
6) lower levels of depressive symptoms and dis-inhibited eating

Key behaviors identified as associated with weight loss maintenance in the article are:

1) activity levels of over 200 minutes per week (at least for women in the cited study)
2) high levels of dietary restraint, such as:
- a) deliberately taking small helpings
- b) avoiding certain foods
- c) counting calories
3) having lower levels of depressive symptomology
4) controlling overeating

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OK, so now you've seen the list of things that successful maintainers supposedly do.

Here are our current Team Goals:

1) Get your dairy servings! 2 servings 1 time per day
2) Read a team member's blog or visit their page. 1 visit 1 time per week
3) Exercise! 30 minutes 5 times per week
4) Welcome 1 New SP Member at Introduce Yourself Message Board 1 time per day
5) Drink 8 cups of water per day

Here is what I would like to use instead:

1) Eat Breakfast 1 time per day
2) Do at least 200 minutes of exercise / activity per week
3) Track food 1 time per day
4) Check weight or % body fat or monitor size 1 time per week
5) Do something positive toward mental well-being (such as engage in "me" time, make sure you're getting enough sleep, etc) 1 time per week

Are you OK with me changing all of the goals? Some of them?

Are there certain existing goals you don't mind losing? (For example, the 8 glasses of water per day can be tracked lots of other places.)

Are there certain existing goals you don't want to live without?

Are any of the new goals objectionable to you?

Do you particularly like any of the new goals and especially want to see them implemented?

Please give me input here. I would hate to pull the rug out from under someone who currently relies on one of our team goals...

Thanks very much!

anja


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