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4/1/16 12:02 A

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Thanks for the suggestion Cindy! I'll talk to the vet about it when we're in there next week.

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3/28/16 3:17 A

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Kathy, what about trying repellants? I had success with herbal repellants using Rose Geranium oil and others until recently when the ticks here got out of the planet! I also used ecosmart.com/products/insect-killer-
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Which I plan to do again as it DID work. My old dog got a tick before this in the yard and nothing after I used these granules. I HATE giving them chemicals, but I did give in and give Charlie Bravecto and Sammy Frontline as Sammy is too little for Bravecto. We already saw 4 ticks and got them before the spring!! Charlie tried Revolution and Nexgrard and still had Lyme disease and fully engorged ticks!! I will still treat the yard, and use repellants, as these medicines don't stop the ticks from biting but kill them after they do.

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3/26/16 5:37 A

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After having a long, long chat with our senior vet on Thursday we all decided that for now anyways, we will NOT be using any kind of tick preventative, just our usual Heartworm medication that we'll start giving the beasties in another month or so.

He felt that the potential risks to both boys - especially Phoenix - because of the MDR1 mutations they both have, along with his propensity for seizures outweighs any benefits to using one of the tick preventatives. We WILL however, do blood work on all 3 of them a couple of times over the tick season to help monitor the situation.



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We used Bravecto last year with Lilo. I just called and will take her in today to be weighed and start up on Bravecto again as the ticks are out in full force here too.

I was concerned about the MDR1 gene as well (she's not been tested for it), I was told the Bravecto is really safe. However, everyone has to do what they feel right for their own pup. Lucky for us, Lilo is good on it.

I have seen people shave their Aussie's too and it takes everything in me to not lose my mind on them! There is a reason they have two coats. ugh.

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i stay right off those threads...my big mouth would say..then why did you pick this breed???
My current girl HATES being groomed, and i have no clue why. so i have to think of things to occupy her..I dont remember collies but i'm sure with the coats you have to line comb too? takes FOREVER...as im sure you well know..but we do it. right now i'm dealing with front leg mats and i know i'm going to have to cut a couple..they mat up SO fast, and shes been laying in sap from the maple in her yard that lost a big branch. We will see after a bath, but i'm afraid on one leg its more than she can tolerate to pick the mess out a hair at a time.
I started with Samoyeds...and my very first girl had a skin problem and we had her shaved ber the vet...if anyone who thinks this is ok would just pay attention to their dog..Keena went and HID. she hated being shaved, and acted totally embarassed..i see the same look on the newfs faces. and i'm sure the Collies are the same...ARGH!

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Holly , we have the same idiots shaving the Collies down too because it's easier to keep them ... groomed, clean, cooler in hot weather, etc., etc., etc. It's like talking to a brick wall trying to explain these guys have a double coat for a good reason - such as insulating them from the heat, cold and rain. I too have to just smile sweetly and keep my mouth shut - very hard sometimes though as that's not always one of my strong suits!

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you are very welcome..i'll pass it on to my daughter..she has 2 weimereiners and took them for a walk last night and they came home both with some..so she went and got the rollers today..says she never wants to walk them again they were COVERED when she got home. yuck.

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3/13/16 8:36 P

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That's a great idea!! Thanks!

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Kathy i had to laugh at that..Newfs are the same. If they swim, or sit under a drainpipe in the rain (my girl's FAVORITE thing to do)she appears soaked...but shes not. Thats what the dense undercoat is for...so when i give her a bath, i'm forcing water where it wouldnt be, and even with a dryer shes wet underneath. lol i know what you mean about picking a breed...some people are shaving their newfs down and i keep my mouth shut bur not a good thing!!

I saw something yesterday that may be a help..for the shorter haired, anyhow..someone was using a lint roller after the dog being outside. they saw nothing on the dog visually, bur after using the roller it was COVERED in ticks. i purchased two...hopefully can catch the buggers before they burrow..

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3/12/16 11:00 P

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That's why we're really taking our time and doing lots of research before making any decisions, plus talking to our really awesome vets.

While checking them is the obvious smart choice, you have to realize that we're talking seriously heavy double coated dogs here. Both the 2 older ones have such dense coats that it's virtually impossible to find the skin underneath all that fur, and Brinx' is only slightly less of a challenge......

After a bath, even with blow drying thoroughly it can take up to 3 days for a Collie to be 100% dry all the way to the skin.... sometimes makes me wish I had fallen in love with a short haired breed all those years ago!

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If it is a danger, don't do it! Get insect repellant, treat your yard, spray them when you go out. Inspect them all the time,! Bit I am No vet, just I wouldn't risk it.

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For the first time ever vets here have been seeing ticks on animals that virtually do not leave the "safety" of their own yards. It is quite scary!

We have been researching Bravecto and Nexguard as well. We are not fans of the topical treatments to begin with and also have to be extra careful about product cautions about side effects about seizures, in particular.

Not only that,but our breed is one of those affected by the MDR1 gene (Multiple Drug Resistance), and our oldest, Phoenix is mutant /mutant plus for the gene, which makes many drugs extraordinarily dangerous for him. Arwen is MDR1 Normal, while Brinx is MDR1 mutant / normal, plus he has an heart murmur to further complicate things.

What we have to factor in for both boys is whether the risk of being bitten by an infected tick and getting sick from that is more dangerous than the risk of using a medication that quite probably will kill them.

So far my DD Meaganne and I aren't sure which way to go on this one and will be talking to our vets again about a best case solution when Phoenix is back at the clinic for his next pain shot on the 24th.

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Well, Charlie my 3 year old lab is on Bravecto TODAY. Puppy can't have it yet, so Front line Tritak is what he has right now. I will report back... I think Charlie is a magnet for them. I have seen more on him than any other animal. And unfortunately he DID get Lyme and have to be treated, but is clear now. We caught one today the size of a flea.

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Lyme is from only one certain tick, that you most likely wont see on your pet. They are tiny...and even fully engorged are really small. (I very nearly died from Lyme and have done extensive research). the larger "dog ticks" we see on our animals are gross but dont transmit Lyme. only the deer ticks do that.
With this year and the "winter that wasnt" they are prolferating...I've heard people say we need a good frost to kill them..that isnt so..they live through major cold they just go dormant. But the warmer, the better for breeding, the more there are.
If you find something that works please let us know!!

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I never knew what a tick WAS until about 2-3 yeas ago. Now they are everywhere, including my yard apparently!! The particular species of nastiness I am not sure, but they are all over my area and natural remedies have failed, Revoution failed, Nexguard failed, Bug spray repelants failed...Next up is Bravecto. Starting them today and will see how it goes. It seems promising! *Charlie got Lyme disease on tick medication*

PS, how sad is it that I am simultaneously looking for the perks for each brand!! I would pay more for something effective, but yet here I am comparing rebates because nothing works in all cricumstances anyway. I am not probably going to be band loyal unless this works!

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