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So I have great news for dog lovers...Sammy has inspired at least 4 families to adopt from his rescue group!! That we know of!! We have pics all over Facebook via DH, and friends...It may result in even MORE adoptions of kill shelter puppies!! Win-WIn!

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It is a universal thing...they know they Mommy's "you're BAAD" sentence! Whatever it is, they know it means GET IT TOGETHER!! They understand your emotion and tone, and THEN the words.

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Sometimes it can be surprising what those dogs will learn. I knew a lady who could control her dogs in herding trials by telling them "don't you dare" and they would quit the bad moves. With Annie I was working her one time and forgot which command I needed to use. Besides shich she would have overshot where I wanted her to move. I wiggled my finger and when I finished she was in exactly the spot I needed her in.

I usually tell them "you know better" when they are doing something I don't want them to.



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Thanks for the feed-back!
Holly-I know what you are saying is true, I DO use the short commands when training, but I also just TALK to them as IF they can understand. They often can eventually. My point is that he did what I wanted in unthinkable time, since I did use a run on sentence and he is a baby!! I would never expect this. It may be all tone and intent but whatever it is it is amazing that he gets it!! He continues to get it and to improve rapidly! I was frustrated with biting and with housebreaking and he has turned it around in a few days!

One of my favorite long sentences for my unruly pets when they won't listen (to commands they know) is "Don't act like you can't understand me!" and in every case they straighten up! Whether it is intent or what, I don't know. It works for me.

Darlene-I will be asking farmers about it and what they think. I know one at least has cattle dogs, some of them are labs! :) That is one reason I love my labs, they are so versatile. Love them and train them and they will do anything for you. As for agility, I know it is obstacles a d running, other than that I am not sure how it is taught. Charlie would never do it, he doesn't like obstacles or barriers. He is too timid. I think Sammy would do it...

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Cindy, if possible find one of the farmers that actually has dogs that herd the cattle that might be able to help you with your pup. They won't really like him just chasing the cattle. You can also teach him commands that are used in herding. The stay and down are used to stop them, away to me is circling or going in a counter-clockwise direction, come by in a clockwise direction and walk up to move up on the stock. If you teach him to heel, also teach the walk up so that he understands when he can go ahead of you on the stock. I had problems with my first ACD and that because she was so well trained on the heel that she would not walk in front of me for anything and I couldn't get her to walk up on the stock. Of course, that is only if you are wanting to do anything with the stock.

I'm not sure what all they do with the agility dogs or any other event besides obedience. Blue got kicked out of agility the second night because he was afraid of the A-frame when they tried to force him to go up it. Another idea that might be fun with him would be dock dog, where they jump a distance into the water to retrieve a float. I don;t know how many BCs do that, but the Lab side would be one to do that. I know of some ACDs that do it, too.



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Hi Cindy...be careful on the long sentences..they can really only process one or 2 words at a time..the rest is just noise to them.
That said i have conversations daily with Lucy..who tolerarates my ramblings..lol..
But for training one or 2 word commands work best.
I use drop for lay down..down for get down off whatever, come, sit, stay, supper, get it, leave it. Her favortie, though, is GOOD GIRL!!!
your tone is a lot of it too..when I taught obedience I would have 30 in a class ranging from teeny tinies to huge giants....the people were always amazed at my "tone" demonstration the first night. How a dog might ignore a monotone but use a higher octave they snap to attention. Kinda cool!

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Thanks 3hourlady! Now you mentioned it, I think I recall that episode! As it happens I know a couple farmers, so that may not be too out of the realm, at least maybe a few times a month. DH knows some too through the fire department (volunteer). He is already super smart and sassy!! Just tonight he amazed me by actually doing what I said and it was a long sentence. He was crying in his playpen, and I said "Well you know I don't come get you for noise. So You better settle down if you want me to come for you." He was silent immediately! I also am able to send him back to sleep now verbally. When he is crying in his crate, and I know it hasn't been long, I can say "Sammy!! Go back to sleep!!" and he will! He was just about to be naughty and chew on his brother's tail, again, and I said "Just try me!" He looked down and settled in. I have been putting him away from everybody if he bites. Down on the floor or in his pen. But I don't use those words. He is catching on to me anyway because he is a smarty-pants. I am going to have my hands full!! He is only 7#, and 10 weeks, so this is only the tip of the iceberg!

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Hi Nightskystar,
I saw photos of your gorgeous Newfoundland. It made me very nostalgic for the Newfs I had 25 years ago. I got a pup that turned out to have Parvo, and by the grace of God (and money in the bank) we were able to save her, but it was touch and go for a while. We found out that Newfs are one of the breeds of larger dogs that get Parvo easily when they are puppies. The breeder ended up losing the rest of the pups in the litter to Parvo. Velvet recovered, and was a real handful, so we decided she needed a girlfriend her own size. We got a 4 year old female from Newf Rescue, a Landseer, and she was like Nana with my 5 year old daughter. Really sweet and good with kids. Today I saw a show about the history of dogs, and there is an Italian Coast Guard unit that trains Newfs to jump out of low flying helicopters with their trainers into the ocean, and rescue people who need help.

CINDYTW963 I saw an episode of Dog Whisperer about Border Collies, and Cesar had the owner take the dog to a farm to chase the sheep and cows around for exercise. There was a big improvement in the dog's behavior after that. Border Collies have retained the ability to stare down cattle, the way wolves do when they are on the prowl trying to find prey. Except the Border Collies are not predators, they only give the cows and sheep orders about where to go, kind of like mind control. They will hold their ground even with angry bulls. I saw a show about a professor who taught a Border Collie the names of 200 toys. The dog learned to bring the correct toy every time. Really smart. Good luck!

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Correction, I meant my sister says that I don't like "small" dogs, not dogs in general. I love dogs more than most people that I know. LOL.

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My sister taunts me all the time that I don't like dogs. I don't understand her issues, but she would never pet my greyhounds. My poor Darlene would go up to her, waiting for the pet that was not to be. How ironic that she sent me a condolence card for losing Darlene. Yet her daughter has a Boston terrier that she bought from a "breeder" that she met at the side of the road somewhere in Missouri. I couldn't help blurting out that it's not good to save a few bucks and buy like that, taking a terrible chance. The pup was covered with fleas and who knows what else. In my niece's case, it turned out alright, as she took the dog to the vet and to a groomer, but who knows what is coming down the road healthwise. She also was lucky that the dog turned out to have a very sweet temperament.

But I admit when my sister says that the little dog is her "grandbaby" while at the same time refusing to touch my big dogs, that I don't have kind feelings toward her. I wouldn't get a small dog as that would have my sister say " I told you so".

I celebrate breeders who are responsible and aim for the improvement of their breed (s). Originally from Missouri, the puppy mill capitol of the country, I know too well the horrors of the puppy mills.

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NEVER EVER EVER buy a pup from the vet store. People think they are "rescuing" by doing this, when what they are REALLY doing is keeping the bad breeders and puppy mills in business. Its really hard to pass by your favorite breed and NOT buy it, but if it sits there without selling, generally the pet store wont buy that breed any more, and the unsold one will go to a breed rescue. No demand, the mills stop producing that breed.
I was a breeder. I bred to further the breed. I showed extensively, and was VERY picky about my litters. They were spoken for before they hit the ground, and I had such a strict contract it turned some off..and thats fine. I never, not once, got a pup back. I followed them their entire lives. And i do buy from breeders or go to breed rescue. But only established breeders who take the same care in their lines and their animals that i do. Newfs and Samoyeds are my favorites...but i've always wanted an Otterhound, and a bloodhound. lol couldnt be more spread out, huh? I am not a fan of small dogs...i love all dogs, and i know they are perfect for many, just not for me. i like the larger breeds.


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Holly, it sounds as if you have a very good son. I'm so glad that he got the two dogs. They say when you see your special dog, you'll know. It sounds like that was the case with your son. My older son graduated with a degree in international studies---not very practical when located in St Louis, in the Heartland without much int'l business going on. He worked at a series of jobs and finally found his passion, a petsitting/dog walking small business. Since he works so many long hours, he sadly can't have his own dog. But his heart dog is one of his client's dog, a wolf hybrid. He loves that pooch so much. He's always sending pics of Turk.

In greyhound rescue, too many people adopt for all the wrong reasons. The dogs look so art deco, so sleek, that some folks only think of how pretty they will look when walking them. There are way too many that are returned. The greyhound rescues seem to go to extremes. Some groups are so picky that they turn people off and they end up not adopting. One that I know just wants to move the dogs, get their fees, and then re-"sell" them when the dog is returned. I absolutely would not adopt from them again.

Hopefully we'll be able to find a pup that steals our heart, gets along with Bella, and has been in foster care so they're more settled and hopefully housebroken. There are so many dogs out there needing rescue that I wouldn't even think of buying one, particularly a puppy from a store.

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Thanks Gina! He works for a state dept of Transportation, and knowing the newf pups i've had and the work involved decided it wouldnt be fair to a puppy with him gone to work all day. But, he really wanted a dog. He called me, said he thought he wanted a lab, and there was an "open house" with 3 labs up for adoption.
Well..the best laid plans...he went to the open house, and the labs were lovely, but these 2 3 year old beagle mixes latched on to him..and wouldnt leave him alone. They are litter mates, and their elderly owner was heartbroken to have to give them up but just couldnt care for them properly.
He fell in love..and they came home, finally, last Thursday. He adores them..and they are happy in their new home. They have each others company during the day when hes gone. Hes not a partier, so he is home on the weekends and in the evenings. Perfect all the way around.

As for people giving up animals. I try very, very hard not to judge. Someone gets a dog..thinks they have it all figured out, then comes home EVERY DAY to a ripped apart house. The animal obviously needs someone that works from home or is retired...is it kinder to keep the animal or let someone take it that can give it a happy home?
The executive loses his job. He cant make his mortgage payments and is going to lose his house. After frantically searching, he finds a tiny apartment he can afford, for a while anyhow. But they dont allow pets. Sorry..i cant judge. Its like human adoption. Put yourself in their place...the agony of someone having to give up their pet must be horrendous. But maybe, actually probably, they are doing it for the good of the animal.
Its a bad situation...made worse by judgemental people who dont even try to put themselves in the position. Noone wants to lose a job, or get ill, or be incompatible with the companion they wanted so badly. But it happens. I say, THANK YOU for doing what is best for the animal, and putting them first. Because, really? they are.
I know that isnt true in all cases..but it is in most. my very first rescue was a dog who's owner, that adored him, died suddenly and unexpectedly. The man's spouse resented the dog because her husband had loved him so much. She wasnt kind to him. Yet people were angry with her for putting the dog in rescue. Not me...first off i got one wonderful boy. Second, she was so deep in grief and anger he wasnt being treated correctly. She did the RIGHT THING. Noone will EVER convince me otherwise.

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If I ever have another dog it will be an older dog. They are settled and have their habits all figured out. What a bonus to have two older dogs who are bonded. That is something I would love to do. Kudos to your son! emoticon

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My son just waited THREE MONTHS to get his 2 new girls. How many people want to adopt older dogs, let alone 2 that need to go together? I totally understand being careful, and sure, but this bordered on the ridiculous.
That said, I am doing a home visit next week for a Newf rescue. They require some things i never did with my puppies..and i DO understand careful. I am totally sure these people will be great adoptees, they have had 5 newfs so know the cons of the breed too (drool, lots of hair and grooming, size)
The goal is to get the dog out of foster care and into his new forever home as soon as possible with this rescue. As, in my opinion, it should be!

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I'm following something on house training to see what people use.

Greydolphin, if you adopt through a rescue, they should have fosters that have been evaluated so they will know how much energy they have and whether they will fit for you. I don't have any experience with the pointers, so I can't say if there are any that would be okay for someone older or less active or not. I know that ACDs are normally high energy, but all of mine have been nice and calm when they need to be. I guess Bridgitte was the most energetic, but she was also my first. When we would all be in the back yard and there was no stopping her from her fetch games. Come to think of it, Annie was that way, too. But bring them in the house and they were perfectly calm. If you get a fostered dog they should know if it would be like that.



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The pup is adorable, but not sure if I'm up to handling a high energy dog in the puppy stage. My son has 2 Boston terrier pups. They're really handful, They've done lots of damage to rugs, new couches (male lifts leg). They've been banned to the basement, a finished rec room. I hate that but it's not my house. My greyhounds have always had free run in the house, but they're very docile dogs. My Bella has never had an accident, but she was 2 years old and had been fostered for a few weeks with an experienced foster mom.

Is it possible for an older couple to get a higher energy dogs? I'm thinking that I'm so used to greyhounds that I won't be able to cope with one that needs super exercise, although my husband walks a lot. Darlene was a super bright dog, brighter than most greys, and I want another dog eventually that has the brain power. I remember a German wirehaired pointer from years ago that did super in obedience training. Does anyone have experience with that breed? The new vet said they're very high energy.

Hope it turns warmer so the pup will be willing to go outside to potty.

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Gosh, I wouldn't want to be out there going potty at 10 degrees, either. Isn't it awful how we have to make the dogs go outside to do that? Maybe you can train him to use the throne in the bathroom (and flush it) emoticon

Sure understand about the carpet. One of my dogs was completely house broke when I got her until I had a roommate who's dog kept attacking her. She got so stressed she started going in the living room and I never could get her to stop. I have that part of the carpet cut out. Trying to get the rest taken out, but haven't gotten too far. The boys got stressed because of a drunk guy and started going in the one room he used to shower and change. So I need to get that carpet out. Then they got sick, but I mostly used pads for them then so not too bad with that.

I'm not too sure how to deal with the sassiness. I don't remember any of mine being that way. Smart, yes. I don't know how border collies are with repetitive training, but ACDs need some variety in their work. If your trainer is experienced with those breeds you shouldn't have any problems. If you have questions she will probably be able to help a lot. If she doesn't have the experience with the breeds and doesn't seem to know when he gets sassy, then try to find someone who has experience with the breeds. I have read/heard often that experience with the breeds is necessary for these dogs. They do love to please you, though.



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I looked up pictures on Google Images of all the possible combinations and I am also thinking border collie is most likely. He is not terribly destructive yet, my lab has eaten anything and everything!! He is mostly having potty training issues while up and about. He is fully crate trained (right off the bat) and he is also good in his playpen. But left loose, he is a nightmare of peeing and pooping! It doesn't seem deliberate, at this point and he is young. I think he just is playing and goes. Also, it has gotten substantially colder here...it's 10 degrees right now! So he doesn't want to be out more than 5 seconds!! Can't blame him really! But still no fun cleaning up!

I have already called my trainer that worked with Charlie, and set him up for Puppy Class beginning 2/29. I will see how we do from there and there are 3 other classes I could take him to from there. After that it will be another organization or trainer, and I really like mine. Charlie ADORES her!! He hasn't seen her in MONTHS and still pulls on the leash to get to her classroom at the pet store looking for her. If he turns out to be high energy I will look at something like Agility for him. I am not sure yet, he is still "Puppy Tired"! Everything is exhausting because he is learning all of it new and he is small!

I am no longer on Facebook and don't care to go back. I would prefer to find other sources if I need them, but I should be fine between you all here and a trainer. If I am really struggling I an also get a DNA test and see really what is going on breed wise.. But why waste the money when all I really need are tips to deal with him. Charlie was definitely calmer, even at 6 weeks, but I also had a lab/dalmatian mix that was so high strung I had to run him and hour a night to make him TOLERABLE. Making him calm meant hours!! SO I am prepared for high energy, I know what hat looks like. But the sassy/smartness is new to me.

I have also decided on a new Potty Training Tactic. If he won't at least pee, if not poop, he is going in his playpen. I am tired of cleaning it up because he scurries for the house and won't go! He KNOWs to go as he did before it was cold. I am sick of cleaning my carpet, and honestly all I smell is PEE right now!! In the pen you go mister!!


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With that much white I would think Border Collie more than ACD. I can't be real sure, though. I usually can recognize an ACD cross pretty easily, though.

Keep that baby busy. Do some obedience with him and teach him some tricks. Keep an eye on him when he has toys because ACDs tend to go through them in just a few minutes. I'm not sure on the other breeds how hard they are on toys. If you are inclined to active events, try some agility or something like that. Those breeds are pretty good at that.

Are you on Facebook? They have a group for Australian Cattle Dogs Lovers. I'm sure there are groups for both other breeds you mentioned. People on there can help you if you have questions on them. I'm not the best with advise if he is young since I haven't had one under age 4 for many years (lost my last at 16 and Cassie was 4 1/2 when I got her). Have fun with that guy, above all.

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so apparrently I have a lab and cattle dog mix or border collie. What words of wisdom do you have for me?? I have had mixes but never of this smart and sassy a breed!

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I can understand your feelings after going through all those cancers. That has worried me some because I think all the dogs I've had but two got some kind of cancer. One of the other two had an autoimmune degenerative disease which got very hard to see.

Most alopathic vets are totally against the raw diet. I raised two of my dogs from puppies on it and their mom and uncle (because of household, not breeding) ate it, too. My vet is open to different ways of feeding and even more natural treatments if they work, so he never said anything against it. In fact, when Blue's degenerative problem got worse I started feeding him raw again and the vet said he was glad I was doing that. Blue couldn't eat the kibble when that got bad. I knew someone who had told me I was going to kill my dogs feeding raw (that was when they were young). A few months later she was asking me where to get the raw chicken because she kept losing her dogs young and decided raw would be better. I don't know if she stayed with it or not because she had to move and quit training at the center I took my dogs to. There are a lot of people in the ACD group that feed raw.



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By the w ay, just thought of something else. The vet in Tarpon Springs, Florida said that there is something coming hopefully very soon, an immunization for bone cancer. I believe they have been using greyhounds in a study also related to humans, trying to help with this scourge. A friend of mine's husband had it, and she said the pain was excruciating. Maybe that's why I no longer will wait too long before putting them to sleep. My ex let our first greyhound go so long that he looked like a skeleton, with people pointing at him. He had to use those fentanyl patches (not sure of spelling, but humans use them for extreme pain). They were so powerful that I had to wear gloves to put on him and was told to flush after removing them. It still gets me angry at myself that I allowed it to happen. I finally said "Never More" to that and a lot of things.

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There is such a pressing need for adopters of the greyhounds, especially when the tracks closed for the season (or are closed down by state legislators) that generally people adopt sooner after losing one of their babies.

It's just after losing 4 to bone cancer, 1 to an unspecified cancer, I'm a bit hesitant. A kind person on this board told me about some research on feeding a raw diet to help. I'd be willing to do it to help our remaining greyhound, but my husband, who does the feeding of the greys, is opposed to raw diet. I'm going to talk to my vet in St Louis and get his input.

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I don't judge anybody for whatever they do. It is highly personal and up to you and your own grief processes. I was just saying that I couldn't! I still cry when I think of my lost ones...but I do have 2 new ones just the same. I don't think it is a reflection on their memory, it is what you as a person can handle.

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I certainly wouldn't think anything is wrong with adopting another dog shortly after losing one. I just know that I'm way too emotional and it's too raw right now. If Darlene had been sick for an extended time and I was able to prepare myself, it probably would be easier.'

We got our Bella (another greyhound) only a few weeks after we lost my husband's grey. Darlene had been used to 2 other greyhounds with her and was so lonely. She and Bella bonded instantly. We'll probably wait only because my husband doesn't want me to do something impetuous.

I would like a dog that had a longer projected life span, but I'm getting older myself so probably shouldn't worry about it.

And I applaud you for rescuing the dogs--and cat. Marian

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I guess a lot of people would think bad of me with getting new dogs as soon as I did after losing one. The longest between dogs was my Dachshund and first ACD. A friend gave me the ACD about 9 months after I lost Doxie. After Bridgitte I was just looking at more because I never saw them around here and ended up getting Annie about a month and a half after. When I lost Venture (the last of Annie's puppies) I couldn't really afford even a rescue dog, so got a rescue cat. I was trying to find out about what to look for to get a therapy prospect and called a breeder and she gave me Cassie when I said I would eventually get a rescue when I could afford to. I wish I had the money and room and time to be able to rescue more. Also the energy and health would help.

Our ACD rescue is really good about rescuing dogs that are needing away from possible euth. They bring them up from TX and NM and ones that need veterinary treatment.



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I can relate about losing a very dear dog. I still get very teary eyed thinking about our "Hobo". He was a sweet pup we found in the desert under a bush. No kidding. He had mange and was about 8wks. old. He was such a mess I really did not think he would survive but hubby was determined and we got him all fixed up He became just the cutest dearest dog ever. At 10 months he got loose and was hit by a truck. It was like getting hit with a board for me. I kept seeing his sweet little face everywhere. But within 4 months we rescued Chica and then Otto and it went a long way to filling the big empty cavity in my heart. I still think of him often and am glad we had him as long as we did.

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emoticon yes, losing them is brutal! We waited 3 months after losing our 13+ year old lab/Dalmatian to get Charlie. Life isn't the same in a doggie-less home, but it was too hard at first.

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Cindy, so glad that you got the pup from a different rescue group. I had a darling little keeshund years ago that I got from a group that saved dogs from the high kill shelters. She was a good little girl.

We're going to probably get another dog after the loss of our greyhound isn't so raw. My darling Darlene had osteosarcoma. It was eating away the bone in her left leg.We lost her 2 days ago. I'm still not done with the crying. We decided that we'll get another rescue pup, just not now. I don't want to forever compare unfavorably another dog to my special girl, Darlene.

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Thanks everyone!
Greydolphin no it was another rescue group entirely that takes from high kill shelters. They got back to me right away! No waiting!

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Your puppy is so adorable. All the best.



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What a darling puppy. Did you get it from the rescue group that took so long the first time?

When we recover from the shock, we might be looking for a rescue dog. My darling Darlene went to the vet. She's been having a terrible time, in pain, not able to walk far. No wonder, she had the dread osteosarcoma. She's been masking the pain. We were going to take her home with 2 additional pain meds, but decided we couldn't put her through it for my selfish desire to have her longer. I loved that girl so much that I can't stand being at home without her.

My other greyhound, Bella, is lost without her leader. Darlene made all Bella's decisions. They were so bonded.

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Love the sweet puppy with big brother Charlie!

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That is great news. I love the picture with the new pup sitting under Charlie.



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In a whirlwind I did get my puppy!! and he LOVES his big brother Charlie!! He follows him around wagging and is very trusting of him. The rescue group got back to me right away and the whole thing was done in less than 24 hours! I did have to ride out 2 1/2 hours to get him, but it was my day off anyway. I took today off to get more things for him and get re-acclimated to having a puppy.

Charlie had his vet visit yesterday and is completely clear of Lyme in less than a year!! emoticon He is gonna be a great big brother once he leans to LIKE him and not just tolerate him!

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Way, way back there was a special greyhound that I had set my heart on. He was adopted to someone else and I was so upset. The head of one of the rescue groups told me that there's a long line of dogs waiting to be adopted. I've remembered that over the years. Sure enough, 2 greys raced into my life and into my heart after that.

Good luck with finding your lab. But you just might find another special dog, a different breed or a mixed breed pup that will tear at your heart strings.
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Good girl, that special dog is out there. We have been there several times and I can tell you love comes in many shapes and sizes and grabs you just as hard each time.

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Thanks everyone! I had my home visit today and that went well, but there is yet MORE waiting for final approval!! I heard from the volunteer that came here that someone did know they were getting the dog that I wanted and applied for him before they even had him! So I had no chance anyway. I am hoping that they get in another that I am drawn to, but I am going to be looking elsewhere as well. I do want another lab, and this is the only lab rescue around, but there are shelters and other groups I can look at.

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Hi, I'm sorry to hear you didn't get the dog you wanted. That's so weird. You applied for this dog a while ago, and they delayed everything with their picky attitude. How come someone else was given the edge to adopt the dog you wanted. If you are done with this rescue I would flat out ask them why they gave the dog to someone else, and see if they can give you an answer. I don't know, but I have a feeling the dog you wanted is a really nice dog, and someone with connections to the rescue pulled strings, and got the dog. If these other adopters already had the intention of adopting the dog before you got there, the rescue should have told you about this so you wouldn't have gotten your hopes up for the dog.

All the best for finding a nice doggie. .

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So sorry to hear that. I don't think that the group dealt with you fairly. Ask around and see if you can find another rescue group. Some are better suited to you than other. I've seen greyhound groups that will work with the adopters and really look out for the greyhounds and others that are so overly picky and off putting that the dogs don't get adopted and the potential adopters change their minds entirely.

Ask around and see if you can find another group or else see if there's another dog available that will blend with your family.

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Sorry to hear that. They could find homes for a lot more dogs if they didn't give everyone the runaround like that.



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It really is heartbreaking that the dog you wanted is already gone. Bah! Humbug! emoticon

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I finally have the last step scheduled tomorrow, its the home visit. That I understand, and I think it should really be all they do. Meet you, talk to you, see your life, maybe call a vet. not 4 weeks of BS!

I am saddened that with all this rigamarole, the dog I really felt compelled to adopt is gone! emoticon emoticon emoticon

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The group has not demanded any money yet except a $25 fee for applying which they have not found a way to charge me yet. I understood that was part of applying and was fine to give a rescue $25. But they just want too much for no return in my eyes and why would you make it so hard to pair the dogs with homes, or to have people turn IN labs?? They have quite the attitude. I agree in my heart, but someone giving up a dog is not going to care what YOU think! They will just go to the pound then!

If my GUT wasn't telling me this dog I saw was mine, I would not even entertain this nonsense! But I feel like they are keeping me from one of my OWN!

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They are lucky dogs to find a good home!

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DH and I used to go to Baha all the time. We would travel all the way to Southern Baha and spend 6 months in La Paz. We picked up little Chica in Loreto where she attached herself to us outside our hotel at which we stayed for a couple of nights. She was tiny, her grooming was disgusting and she looked a bit ill. We fell in love with her and she just stayed by my side. I did not touch her till we took her to a vet and had her bathed, dewormed, shots and we got her a collar and leash. It turned out she had tic disease and became deathly ill. The vet diagnosed it just before the point of no return and lots of expensive medicine later she recuperated. She still shows signs of having had such a deathly illness and recently she was unable to walk but the vet here told us she needs a gentler lifestyle now. I used to walk her miles and miles all at her urging. She is only 51/2. Our Otto was picked up by my Spanish teacher who found him wandering around the seashore all covered with ringworm. She had him treated at the vet and found out his initial age, health and possible background. The vet thought he'd been turned out after being used for a bait dog in dog fighting. Anyway, she was looking for a home for him and DH and I were feelin a bit weak that day. So he became ours and we had him neutered, all his shots and treated his ringworm with iodine. Sure enough he cleaned up very nicely and he is the sweetest pitbull in the world. He is 11.

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Some rescues do go to extremes. I got my Bella from a wonderful greyhound group in Ft Myers/Cape Coral Florida. They interviewed us and wanted the name of the vet, but were a joy to work with. I got my Darlene some years ago from a group in Kansas. They again were super. Neither group charged a huge amount, think both were about $200, but that covered the spay, all shots, all vet bills. There was another group from my home town (in Missouri) that I felt overcharged for the dogs and were making a profit. They saved a lot of greys, but I felt there were others who did a better job. I wouldn't donate a nickel to them. Rescue groups can get strange with lots of politics. You just need to be careful.

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What part of Mexico did you go to Gina?

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Financial and banking information??? That smells big time. I wouldn't trust them at all. They could really rip you off, and still not give you the dog you want. Sounds like a con game to me. It's really sickening to think these rescues are playing on your attachment to one of their dogs to pull a scam on you. I'm so sorry you are going through this.

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Jeanne, that sounds really similar to the one in Washington. Supposedly animal control picked up the dog and instead of putting on a stray hold immediately turned him over to the rescue. The owners started looking for him immediately and the animal control that picked him up said they never had him until after a stray hold would have ended.

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Here there is a good rescue operation but they want no less than $300 to adopt and all sorts of things like an essay of why you would be a good adopter. I would have maybe gone for that but we went to Mexico and found two wonderful dogs which begged us to take them home. The cost of course was vet bills etc but no nonsense. The only criteria for crossing the border was rabies shots and the Mexican govt. gives those out for free to any dogs they can find.

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I know you don't want to be a trouble maker, but I would report that group. Asking for your personal information, like savings, is wrong. And who knows what they will do with that information.

There was a case here years ago, where a dog accidentally got out of a yard. The family felt it was a kid in the neighborhood that accidentally let the dog out while they were not at home. A rescue group found the dog, and refused to give the dog back. The family took the lady to court, and the family won. The judge ordered the lady to give the dog back. When they family was leaving the court room, the lady told them flat out "you won't get your dog back" It was heart breaking. I never did find out if the family got their dog back. I hope so, and I hope the lady's rescue was shut down. I told my Hubby that some of the rescue groups get a "God complex". They think they are above it all. It's a shame.

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Cindy, I hope you get your dog soon. It is one thing to make sure the dog is going to a good home, but really some of these rescues are sounding more like scams than rescues. I would think that your vets name, and an in home visit with the dog to make sure it would get on with all the family and any other pets plus a small fee to help with their cost of feeding and providing care for the animal until a home was found should be enough. Timing wise this should take one week - two tops. Really isn't the purpose of the rescue agency supposed to be to place these lovely animals in their forever homes?

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That is crazy to take so long like that. The air thing also sounds crazy to me. They could see whether your yard was safe better from being down in it than from the air.

I have volunteered for the rescue here before and been totally ignored. Then I accidentally volunteered for one of their rescue days when I thought it was for the Pet Food Pantry and that was okay, though I didn't do anything but help set up and hold one dog. Rescues here charge around $275 to rescue a dog. I think that is more than adopting from a shelter. Not sure though since I adopted a cat from the shelter and a breeder friend gave me my dog. I don't know what all checks they do. For my cat there weren't any.

I read recently about a rescue in Washington that takes lost dogs that the owners are looking for and won't give them back, won't even let the owners pay to get them back. Makes you kind of wonder if they didn't go take the dog from the people's yard in the first place. There have been many complaints against the rescue for that. The article I was reading they had the dog for more than three months and won't even let the owners see him.

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Rescuing a dog is getting as difficult as adopting a child

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I hate to say it but we have a couple rescues here that have been closed by the state. Somehow they found a way to make money on rescuing dogs and their dogs weren't really for adoption. They just pretended they were.

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I would be HAPPY if all they wanted was a home check!! They want vet references, 3 personal references that can say how you care for your dogs, all your personal information, your life savings...etc!! The ONLY reason I am still entertaining this is because the dog I want FEELS like he is a missing member of my family to me! Otherwise I would have moved on 2 weeks ago! I still feel he is mine and I have to come for him! Crazy, but my gut instinct like this usually works in the end.

I did initially fill out a volunteer application too. I will not be doing that unless they make me in charge of Operations to stop this Bull%%$T!! And the procrastinating!! REALLY 3 weeks to not even be done!!? I could have adopted 10 from the Humane Society by now!!

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You are wanting to adopt another dog? That's great. I am turned off with most rescues. I was checking into a couple in the Los Angeles area. Of course they want to check out the home, which is ok, but they also mentioned they might do an aerial check. There are so many dogs that need a loving home. Why are they so picky?

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It has been a ridiculous 3 weeks and they still have not gotten it together yet! But there is still hope because they emailed me that they were checking my vet reference! BUT they also called my friend twice as if no one called the first time...HMPH! So much to even MEET a dog to try and adopt! Makes no sense to me! They also have quite the attitude and make it hard to turn in one...BUT I thought we were RESCUING here!?? Not catering to the wealthy that can afford a fee to turn in versus FREE at the animal shelter! They want $100! Plus they basically berate people for giving up a dog! (I agree, but if someone is willing to it will never stop them! Just they will go to the pound!)

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