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Thank you all for your replies.

The neighbour is not very open to any type of suggestions, he's a stubborn person... I have very often tried to offer help, I told him I'd pay for the trimsalon myself, I told him I thought his dog had heart complaints a year ago when I walked her and noticed she was panting. He said oh she's getting older.
When I visited the vet with his dog in August, the vet said she'd told him before (and I thinkt that was LONG before) that there's a heart problem. Can you imagine that? He just doesn't seem to find it necessary to do anything.

I called the vet about it all yesterday and the vet suggested to talk to him in person (not use email) and said that she too would ask him about the echo. My husband said he'd go and talk with the neighbour. If I do it he may not want to listen, it could be that he's upset with me already for mailing him that I feel he should do more for his dog.

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9/24/14 5:25 P

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Ahhh I've been reading this over and over.
Darlene-Loving dogs is so easy...you did nothing wrong...you just tried to help with information.
CC-I too lost our family dog about 1 year ago....this was so hard... we had a mix that did not like cats, dogs or people. We still loved him even when he bite me! Thank you for caring so much about this dog. Please lead by example....It's easy to say...I took my dog and had his ears trimmed or I took my dog to the Vet. again. Most people will not feel threaten but start to think ....maybe I need to do this.
I have a new Pound dog now and after hearing my friend say I love dog obedience school...I soon followed. But if someone got in my house and said that dog needs training ...well I'm not sure WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.
Bow has completed his first classes and now is in classes for CGC. He is so well mannered. I hope this helps you.....your dog loving friend Suzib123
No apology needed here ...You just asked for help!

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I need to change-and with that said....lets do this!
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9/24/14 5:06 P

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Glad you all worked out understanding each other in print. Misinterpretations DO happen some of the time.

Reporting any neglected dog is the same thing as you would do for physical cruelty. For animals, for people, it's all up to us to hold decent standards. Society has enough wrong with it to let individual perpetrators get away with their abuses.

I just hung out at the lake talking to an 82 year old gentleman who said his dog LADY lived until she was 23! ! ! He misses her so. Remember all the loved and well cared for pets and I say foster or adopt one that wasn't lucky enough... until you came along.

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9/23/14 4:07 P

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Darlene, I apologize. I was frustrated but not by you, I realize you were trying to help.
I just feel so bad for the neighbours dog and SO MAD with the man. I feel like SCREAMING at him but I can't, because it would only mean he will cut me off and it won't help the dog.
Part of this is maybe also that I lost my own dog not long ago. I would give, well, what to call it, anything to have my dog and take care of it but I have to watch that man neglecting his. I want to kidnap his dog! And make sure it gets the help it needs for it's heart.
Please realize that English is not my mother's tongue and I may sound more harsh than I mean to be. My frustration was also with myself, struggling with language, unable to find the right words while trying to find answers.
I hope you will not run from this team. I'm a new member. I'm not a representative of the team at all.

I aplogize to all who has participated in this thread.

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9/23/14 1:17 P

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Darlene, please don't let one comment run you off! I think this person is just frustrated. This is a very friendly team.

To OP: The term you are looking for (or the word in English) is plucking. It seems that many of us have the same idea that plucking is in reference to the ears. I just Googled "schnauzer plucking" and EVERYTHING says ears. http://dogfoodchat.com/forum/general-dog-d
iscussion/8861-pluck-mini-schnauzer.html.

This post led me to research "Hand-Stripping". http://www.dogchannel.com/dog-information/
dog-groomer-salzberg/hand-stripping-do
g-coats.aspx. It is safe to say that we could all learn from this? I even found a forum.

I am sorry that you are finding yourself so frustrated. This is a sticky topic and everyone here is trying desperately to offer help.

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9/23/14 12:59 P

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I am sorry that I offered any kind of suggestion. I did ask a friend who owns Schnausers and she said that they use clippers. I understand that ear hair is pulled, but it sounded like you were saying ALL their hair has to be trimmed by pulling. I would rather trust people who know Schnausers to get information from than the internet.

I will not offer any kind of suggestion ever again. While I am a dog lover, I think that this team is not one for me to participate in.



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9/23/14 3:47 A

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Darlene please google if you want to know about the grooming of schnauzers.
Their fur needs to be taken off (pulled out) by hand. I don't know the word in English.

My point is that the dog is not getting the right care and the owner is unwilling to do anything but walk her once a day (thankfully he now allows others to take her for a walk as well) and feed her.
He has not replied to my mail in which I asked him what stops him from getting the proper medical and fur care for her so he may be upset / pissed off about it. If we get in touch about this again I think I WILL simply speak my mind and tell him he's neglecting the dog he says he loves so much. Not that it will help I'm afraid.

I'm thinking about calling the vet and asking her if she has advice.

The local animal protection organisation said to offer help (which we've done and he's not accepting it as far as taking the dog to the salon and the clinic goes) OR file a complaint. Which may mean he's lose the dog and we don't think that would be the answer. We also don't think he'd ever be willing to let someone else take her. He claims to be very fond of her. Which is why it baffles me that he's not willing to take responsibility to give her the mecical help and grooming she needs.

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9/22/14 7:30 P

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We have a Schnauzer and some may think we let her hair grow too long, but it is really not necessary to have it very short. My husband does her trims because it costs too much to take her to a groomer. We only trim her a few times a year.

As far as the plucking, the vet said the insides of her ears need to be plucked. I normally ask them to do that when I take her in for a well visit and omit it the rest of the time. I also have her nails trimmed at the vet and try to get her there once a month. They don't charge for these services since we are patients of theirs.

I am not sure exactly why they need to get plucked but she never has had any ear problems due to her ear hair. We live in an apartment so she doesn't get much exercise but (up until now) about once a week. Schnauzers can be very clingy too though so even when I take her places she doesn't like to run and play like other dogs; she just sits by my side.

It is great that you guys have such a support group. You could try to locate a veterinary school that can see the dog at a discount if you are concerned about it's health. As others have mentioned, it can be a tough choice to make, and is a very individual one at that, when it comes to what a realistic health budget on a pet is.

Good luck with everything and I hope my input has been helpful!


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We had a badly neglected dog come to our house. We made sure it had a very good meal and water before the dog police came to pick it up to take it back to its owner. Except the owner was not getting it back we were told cause they had done this before. So it was taken to shelter to await a new owner.The police told us we did the right thing.

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I am not sure what you mean by them having to "pluck" the hairs from the dog. I asked a friend how they do their mini Schnauzers and she said they use clippers. I know that on some dogs they pluck the hairs from the inside of the ears but I would think that would be for show. Can't that be done with scissors of quiet clippers if the dog isn't shown? At least it would keep her hair from getting all matted and pulling the skin and causing sores.



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You sound like a good hearted person. Some people may take your asking for the dog, or offer to help wrong,( not that I would. I have one and I know how expensive and what a full time job they can be) Just know that she is in a better place,( either a loving home or over Rainbow Bridge) Some people should not have pets, I mean if you are only going to neglect them and not love and care for them, then just don't have any. If you get one and find it's too much, either surrender them to a no kill shelter or rescue group or find a loving home for them. I mean it's a living creature and it has feelings I can not understand people sometimes.

If I felt a dog was neglected I would call my local ASPCA or the Police,( if they don't handle animal problems they would know who in your area did) Don't beat yourself up about the dog, hindsight is 20/20 and it can make you crazy with the woulda. shoulda, couldas

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I had a neighbor that had a Red, mixed breed dog, she was a sweetheart, but was spooked anytime someone moved too fast and am sure from what I saw and heard was very hard on her. she was one of 4 other dogs.
she was starving a lot and I was giving her dog bisquits from time to time.
I even decided to see if I knew anyone that would take her...................
I was going to put her in my car one day and take her to a Better home, to someone that would love her.
I couldn't find anyone.
Then one day she was gone :(
the kids said she was taken to some people they knew......
don't really believe it.
I should have had the guts to say, I Wanted her.
They probably would have gladly given her to me.
But that was a long time ago.
So point is, Maybe....IF he thought someone wanted his dog...he might say TAKE HER.
or him
Then he wouldn't have to worry about Anything anymore.
Taking a dog that needs a test and may be on meds for the rest of its life....
is a responsibility.
I can relate to offering to take the dog to get groomed.
If you can afford it, just do it.
I pay for my relatives dog, so its hair is trimmed and nails. Makes ME feel better too.


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9/21/14 3:53 A

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Thank you to all for your replies!

The dog is a schnauzer. Their fur can't be cut with scissors but must be 'plucked'. I believe it takes a professional to do it. If the fur isn't trimmed in time it can lead to discomfort and infections for the dog.
I don't live in the US so the rules that apply there, don't apply here...

We've offered lots of help, he just doesn't accept it. He has now created a circle of neighbours who walk his dog 2 to 3 times per day. This not because he feels the dog deserves more walks but because he hates it when she does it in the house.
The dog won't do it's business in the backyard.

I feel that it's neglect when the vet urges him to have his dog examined and put on meds and he postpones it for more than a month, maybe won't do it at all (?).
He is well able, physically, to walk her at least 2 times per day himself, and he is also well able to feed her and give her meds. He need only ask me (as I've often told him) to take care of the scabs and the small wounds and such. He's also not socially shy or limited at all, he's well able to make friends and ask for support and arrange his affairs and such.
My impression is that he has enough money and is able to take better care of her, he just doesn't seem to find it necessary.

I couldn't stop myself and mailed him yesterday to ask why he isn't making sure his dog gets the right care. I even offered to pay for the trim salon myself.
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9/20/14 10:47 P

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since he is in a wheel chair ask if he needs help with the dog.

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It sometimes can be really hard for people to keep up with things. I can't say that I go out to eat like you describe, but I also can't keep up with all the things. I guess if there is a way to do it, if you can help with trims maybe get some dog clippers and do the rough clip to keep the mats out or brush her to keep them out. I have trouble with nail trims because Cassie has the dark nails and I'm not sure where the quick is, but do have a Dremel to try to keep them shorter. I also have clippers that show where the quick is, though some say those don't work.

I don't know about the heart murmur. How old is the dog? Does she wear out in a short time when out for a walk? That would be a hint that the murmur is a bad one or not. Of course, I'm not a vet, so don't know for certain. Not knowing his vet it is hard to say if the murmur is very bad or not. When Venture was found with a murmur it was explained that older dogs often get heart murmurs and since it was a mild one there wasn't any reason to worry. He was 16 when I had to send him to the bridge due to cancer.



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I would think the man would not be able to give the dog medications..
That is usually a hard thing to do for some people.

There are a lot of cats and dogs that have heart murmurs and such, and they live a long life.
Sounds like he just wants the dog to live out its life as is.

For medical care there is a CREDIT card offered at Vets and Dentist that is ZERO % interest for 6 months or 18 months depending on the total cost.

I don't think he plans on having the test.... I think he should have the dog trimmed and nails done..If he can afford to eat out so much than up keep on the dog shouldn't be a problem.
A short haircut should last 2 or 3 months.

Poor thing only gets out once a day to potty? Or just a walk?
I know they can hold for a Long time, but it should be able to go out in back.
If its not fenced, he could have a farmers fence put up, or make a zip line, like the old days, with the leash attached so it can walk around.




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This is a really hard situation.
And one we would be facing if our guy needed any expensive Vet care. emoticon

We have put off filling our own Rx for blood pressure, diabetes, and one other condition. In fact last Fall after the dog's yearly check-up at the Vet, the $383.00 cost had us scrounging and putting off other things. And our dog is fairly healthy.

I cut our dog's hair myself ..not the best job...but, we can not afford the $85.00 groomers fee.

Do you think he should give up the love and companionship of his dog? Because the cost of test has to be put off for a month?

We are fortunate that my husband can still walk the dog. I can't, so if husband is in the hospital (2x last year) it means I have to find people to walk the dog, or just let him out in the backyard.

It is expensive to have a pet. I've known seniors who have been forced to give up their pet, and it is so hard on them, and I'm sure on the pet. People complain about them, saying "Dogs are a family member..would you give up your child?!" The SPCA berated them for turning in, giving up on their dog.
But on the other hand some of us keep the dog, and then we still suffer. The people who mean well, complain that we are abusing the dog by not getting it groomed often enough, or nail trim, can't walk him enough..and yes, put off $$ medical test.
Right now, a good friend, spent $500.00 on blood work, and test for her 7 yr. old dog, to find the Vet thinks it might be cancer, and Monday they want to transfer the dog to the big university Vet hospital...minimum cost $1,000, depending on the diagnosis.
And she does not have the money. So she is about to lose her house, and yet knowing she can not take the dog when she is out, facing going into a cheap apartment...yet feels obligated to have these te$t$ done. emoticon

If you have an answer to your neighbors problems ~ present it to him. Offer to come over and walk the dog twice a day. If you want to take care of the Vet cost for the test, and then the treatment, then speak up. Otherwise, all you can do is pray.

Sad situation!



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Our neighbour, who is in a wheelchair, owns a schnauzer dog. A few years ago he asked us to walk his dog during the winter because of the snow on the streets. We then found out he ever only walked his dog once per day. Since then we have tried to offer to walk her often when we had the time. Only recently after the dog pooped in the house once, has he arranged for other neighbours and acquintances to walk his dog 2 - 3 times per day.
We also realized that he does not have her fur trimmed as often as necessary. Finally we offered to take her to the trim salon and took her, but he keeps on waiting to have her trimmed long beyond the time that it's due.
I also noticed that he does not take care of things like scabs and little wounds and such. The dog always has scabs from tearfluid below the eyes, he doesn't remove it. When he needs to lift the dog up he grabs her by the scruff, the way a mother cat lifts her young.

Recently when the dog was sick we took her to the vet for him. The vet said the dog had a bad heart and needed an echo to be able to determine what medication would be right. He's been postponing the echo for weeks now. Originally he was supposed to make arrangement for it the week after the visit to tee vet. He said he'd arranged for another neighbour to take the dog to the animal clinic where they can do the echo. It was going to be done on september 16th, that was 3 weeks after the vet said the dog needed the echo. Now we hear it's postponed until september 30th.
The first time the topic of the echo came up he said he needed to think about his finances! This while he goes out to eat in luxury restaurants every week...

The vet also said that the dog needed to be trimmed back when we visited. We've offered to take the dog to the trimsalon three times. He says he wants to do it after the echo. He says 'circumstances' made him postpone the echo.

I phoned with the animal protection organisation in my country already, but they said that either we can offer the neighbour help, or make an official complaint but they don't think that much can be done.

I just feel worried about his dog. And angry about his choices. Is there anything we can do? What would you do? I want to mail / tell him that he's neglecting his dog and that the way he treats her is unacceptable... but I suppose it would mean he just cuts us off and it will not improve the situation for his dog.

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