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7/16/14 8:56 P

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i buy nothing made in china.

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Good grief I can't imagine an animal with more germs etc than humans, I think dogs, cats and whatever would pale into insignificance by comparison

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I haven't heard anything like that about not feeding raw to therapy dogs here, but I can't afford the cost to get Cassie into it so I don't know if they have that law.

The main reason that dog foods here are being recalled is the main concerning bacteria in raw feeding and that is salmonella. So I don't see that there is much difference in the bacteria aspect whether you feed raw or commercial. Just found raw to be a lot healthier for my one dog who couldn't eat the commercial without having the runs all over the place. When he was older he was able to eat grain-free commercial foods, but give him any with grain other than a few small treats and he would be sick again.



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Kathy,
I definitely agree that people with weakened immune systems could be at risk. Unfortunately that may mean that they need to make a choice. Dogs lick themselves all the time, including their butt and their paws and there is no way to "sanitize" their mouth. It's a little bit like other medical treatments, the benefits need to be weighed compared to the side effects. For a person with cancer who only has a few months to live quality of life may be more important than avoiding threats to the immune system. Each case is very individual. The potential benefit of animal visitation and animal-assisted therapy is huge. Maybe the time has come for caregivers to ask people to sign waiver forms before animal interactions (at least in the US, where everyone sues everyone over everything).
I remember we used to bathe our dogs before going on visits, nice try, but completely useless as far as bacteria, as those come in on the tongue and the paws, often picked up in the hallways of the hospitals.

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Kathy, I think I could understand that reason for the ban on raw foods. Weakened immune systems can be upset with the smallest of things.

Darlene, I don't know if you are able in the US, but if you can buy Aussie dog food and treats you'd find an excellent product that has never had a recall in all the time that I'm aware. New Zealand also has great treats that I myself use occasionally.

If you have a dehydrator or even the oven you can make dried chicken breasts for your dogs. You'd have to freeze them as they may not keep but there'd be no problems with that.

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Birgit - My understanding of this is that the issue is the risk to those who are already more of a concern because of having weakened immune systems to begin with, so that a raw fed dog or other therapy pet may increase the chances of bringing more (serious / dangerous) bacteria to those with such problems.

We participated in several studies that were run by OVC ( the oldest Veterinary school in Canada) a few years ago, which I believe provided a considerable amount of evidence regarding the risks posed to people with weakened immune systems who were exposed to raw fed animals. There were also studies being done around the same time - to my understanding, anyway, by a number of other universities in both Canada and the USA as well as in the UK and Europe.

I'm not sure if this law applies to the whole country, or even my whole province, but it is enforced in Southwestern Ontario, which is where I live.

You are definitely right though about the whole idea of the bacteria some animals carry from the disgusting things they can find to eat.... or lick or sniff. Lets face it, the more gross we humans think they've been into, the more they want to have hugs and lots of kisses!

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Wow,
Kathy I'm very surprised by that policy. I used to do pet-assisted therapy many years ago with my dogs and we did not have a policy like that. I wonder if the people who made those rules realize that dogs frequently eat things like cat poop, horse poop, chicken poop etc., all things that would probably be more of a concern. Of course it is true that if dogs are fed a raw food diet from CAFO (confined animal feeding operation) animals that they are usually slaughtered with little oversight and in an unsanitary manner. That is why so much of beef and chicken is contaminated with e-coli, salmonella and other harmful critters. It's all about how the meat is handled. I'm also wondering if the same hospitals ever serve burgers medium-rare?
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7/9/14 10:34 P

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We do not ever give our guys any of those prepared type of 'jerky' style treats. or pig's ears / feet, etc. Rawhide chews, sticks or bones are another big NO - NO in our treat regime. It's always good to hear of warnings though, and we do pass them along whenever we can.

Raw feeding is NOT an option for us because our dogs are all Pet Therapy, Therapy Dogs International, Canine Good Neighbour, Canine Good Citizen, St. Jon's Ambulance, and Pet Visitation certified and are active in nursing home, hospital and school visits / demonstrations.

You are NOT allowed to take your dogs into any of these places if they are fed a raw diet - it's against the law here.



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7/9/14 7:12 P

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It is Dogs Naturally Magazine, not The Natural Dog like I put before. One problem there seems to be with many things, and it includes people food, is that some companies will hide the fact that part of their ingredients comes from China, like they were saying about the Vitamin E. I saw something one time about the ingredients in things that say they were manufactured in the U.S. and they said that somewhere you could often find something that says some ingredient came from somewhere else. Haven't really been able to find that myself, other than some lamb products come from New Zealand. I know that I wish I could go back to raw.



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For dog food the same applies as for people food: whenever possible buy local and buy organic. If you know who made the food (and can visit the place where it's made) you are likely getting better quality. I think the mice and voles my dogs eat when running in the fields may be the healthiest part of their diet, because I can't afford to feed raw, locally raised meat.
I do feed them raw eggs from our own poultry whenever I can.
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Thanks for the article. I had a dog who used to love those jerky treats. I stopped giving them to her after hearing about all the sick pets,but she developed cancer anyways. I have always wondered if they had contributed to her death. For my new dog I have been very careful to check labels first. Nothing from China. I found some organic chicken sticks that are certified organic by the state of Oregon that she seems to like.

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Thanks for sharing the article.

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Thank you so much! I always read the label to make sure nothing I give my pets come from China. We lost an elderly dog several years ago a couple of weeks before the news started reporting all those dog deaths from certain brands from China. Unfortunately, by that time, we couldn't prove that she died from that but her symptoms had been the very same. She had been perfectly fine until then. Very energetic, etc. Broke our hearts.

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Thank you, for that.

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Thought I'd share this article from The Natural Dog. Everyone always worries about companies that recall products at times, but they mention that those companies are at least being consciensious (sp) to keep pets and animals safe. But to always be aware of what is going on with the food. Still for now stay away from jerky treats from China since some of those companies would not let inspectors in to find out what was causing pet illnesses and deaths.

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