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8/27/14 11:59 P

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Try a low-carb or carb-free diet, good quality protein and fat, ideally all meat-based, maybe with some egg and small amounts of full-fat dairy.
That should make him less hungry and help him to lose the weight. It will probably also increase his energy. It is possible that the neutering was not the cause of the other problems but a coincidence, hard to know for sure at that age.
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8/27/14 9:47 A

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Our Charlie got himslef into trouble and had to get an operation earlier this year at which point we "let him being fixed" as well, as female dogs in heat have brought him trouble :) in the first place.

He is 13 years old and ever since we need to DRAG him for walks (where he ran earlier); his only interests is in the food. So he has gained weight plus he became incontinent.

I'm rather disappointed b/c I did not expect that "fixing" him will bring such drastic changes in our lively and happy dog. Has anyone any working advice?

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6/13/14 3:56 P

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i have english bulldogs. the younger ones are not fixed. the two older females had medical issues at age 5 and had to be fixed. like people they gained weight and are now on diets.

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6/13/14 3:44 P

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There are a lot of factors that play into that decision. There are health disadvantages with early spay/neuter, for sure, but for shelter pets that are often adopted out with not very thorough screening of potential owners it is better to get spay/neuter done early or these pets will reproduce. For my own dogs I would wait longer, usually until physical maturity, which depends on breed and could be anywhere between 6 months and 2 years of age. In females the first heat is one indication.
There is some protection from breast cancer in females with early spay/neuter but you can get the same benefit by feeding a natural, meat-based rather than kibble-based diet that is low-carb.
Having a female dog in heat (I have one who is in heat right now) is a bit cumbersome to deal with and you have to be very vigilant to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Some females are actively seeking out males, including escaping through doors or chewing through walls, not coming when called etc. and male suitors will find the trail that females in heat lay by marking everywhere. It is not impossible to manage but takes time and effort, incl. doggie diapers, cleaning up spotting with hydrogen peroxide etc.
If you are hesitant to do all that work wait until about 6-7 months as few larger breed females will come into heat before that.
Talk to some doberman specialists (breed clubs) for dobe specific info.
As a professional trainer I have seen some dominant tendencies in already dominant females get worse after spaying, probably a result of changing hormone balance. It's hard to say whether that is a big factor in the decision.
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Around here the shelters want everything spayed or neutered right away, no matter the age, but I don't agree with them on that. I have heard that females should be spayed before their first heat to prevent mammary cancer. I have never heard of pyometra if they don't have puppies or are not spayed. My dachshund got it after having puppies, so having puppies doesn't really make a difference. Spaying obviously would, though.

On neutering, I don't know how much difference it makes in a dog's development, but I have heard some say that they will get bigger if they are neutered earlier (like before a year, before their growth plates closed). I don't know on that. I do know that Blue got a couple inches oversized and he was neutered at 8 months.

I have been seeing a lot of posts on other forums where they had to put dogs down for cancer or this or that and things that a lot of people say would have been prevented by the spay/neuter. I don't know if that would make that much difference since so many of them were spayed and neutered. I had a male that wasn't neutered until he was about 8 years and he lived to 16. He did get cancer, but it was liver cancer.

I think that opinions will vary all over and when people get a particular opinion they are not going to change it. So the vet that says by 6 months will continue to say 6 months even if someone proves that 12 months is better.



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6/13/14 2:21 P

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I have noticed the thinking on spay/neuter has changed over the last several years. It used to be at least 6 months to give the dog a chance to develop properly. Then it was 3 months old for puppies, especially the ones at rescues and shelters. That seems way too early in my opinion. One web vet encourages vasectomies and tubal ligations instead of the usual spay and neutering. Then doing the full surgery after they are fullly grown and developed.

In my experience I had a male dog that we did not neuter, and he got testicular cancer at 8 years of age. I bought a 5 year old English bulldog that was a breeder. I spayed her right away, but she ended up with breast cancer later on, and the vet said it was because she was older when she was spayed. She also had bladder leakage after she got spayed, and we gave her DES estrogen to control it. A relative got a female puppy that he did not spay or breed. It got pyometria at 7, and died. The vet told them that females need to be bred or spayed within a year or two to avoid pyometria, which is a disease of the dog's reproductive organs if they do not have puppies or are not spayed.

Hope this helps you make the decision.


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6/13/14 10:49 A

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My vet always said that unless there was a problem, it was a good idea to wait closer to a year for neutering.

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My girl Dobe Laika was spayed when she was 12 months old. She grew up without any health issues. She is now a beautiful 8 years old lady and she's still going strong.

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6/13/14 9:51 A

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I don't know about dobermans, however, I have a Dalmatian and for a male, it is 1 yr. min. This is due to Dalmatians being prone to developing stones and the Dalmatian Club of America has done studies on this and recommends the 1 yr. min.

I'm sure that there is a Doberman club that you can contact and ask what they recommend. I feel that the age really depends on the breed and the size of the dog. Obviously smaller dogs grow and develop faster then a larger breed.

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6/13/14 8:42 A

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I have had dogs that were not spayed and neutered and they were ok. But my male developed cancer and the vet said had he been neutered he would not have gotten it. I had a female who was not spayed due to seizures od undetermined origin. When I rescued a male and had an appointment to have him neutered he got her before his surgery. The vet said he didn't think she was pregnant as she had not been in heat for 2 years. HAHAHA The joke was on him as she had 6 puppies, three were born dead and three lived. Two of the ones that lived I had neutered and spayed at 6 months, as I didn't want any happy little accidents. The third puppy was a male and my son has him and he is not neutered but his female is spayed. I strongly believe in spaying and neutering. emoticon

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I've heard vets say 6 months, too. but I (like you) wonder if it's best that early? Surely, waiting a few months for hormones to kick in and do what is best for the dog (presuming that is a truth), can't hurt, can it? As long as the female doesn't get pregnant, or males mate.

Personally, I had my female spayed (I got her when she was 6 yrs old) a week after I rescued her. My male? He is nearly 5 yrs old, and I have had him for 2-1/2 yrs, and still not neutered him, despite the vet saying I should. He shows no signs of testosterone-based behaviour -- AT ALL! -- and we don't cut off human men's bits as a preventative, do we?

Oh well, time to get off my soapbox. Sorry. :)

Anyone else's thoughts?

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I am having a question on the when is the best time to spay or neuter a pet and would like some info so I can make the best decision. I have a 3 month old dobe and she is going to be a nice size dog
My vet is pushing for a spay at around 6 months. But I have been hearing that waiting a year allows the dogs hormones to create stronger joints and will reduce the chance problems later on. Vet says that is nonsense and all hearsay. Help!!!

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