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7/23/12 9:17 P

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Good luck! If they won't do it for you before August 1st, then no one else should have had a chance yet either. I know school activities come first, but I'll bet you get your space when you are able to make it work. I agree, it is so much easier to do it right at school.

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7/22/12 8:20 A

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Thannk you, Sheryl, that's a big help.

I have to wait another week to bring in my request to use the school building after school. I hate having to wait, but they won't take it until Aug 1st. I'm getting worried I'm not going to get one of the 2 days I can do this!! We can get a different building, I know, but I'm hoping it'll be in the girl's school after school so they don't have to travel. In the fall I'm going back to college and my son is starting Boy Scouts as well as my daughter starting Girl Scouts, and my husband will be taking an evening class too, so my days to do this are limited!!

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7/17/12 9:14 P

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Cookies in the spring make it harder to start a troop.

The troops that do the sashes and badges also do any activities for the girls and all the supplies. They just budget well and really make the girls understand that the more cookies sold the more that can be done. Which is easier to manage she. The cookies are in the fall. The troops usually don't have much money at the end of the year.

We can only carry over so much also. I always make an explanation of what the funds are going to be used for. In your case, perhaps in the spring you worm with the girls and identify what badges and activities you want to do in the fall and lay it out for council saying this is the budget until cookies so that is why we need to carry over xyz dollars. I have never been questioned to my funds as long as I have an explanation.

That doesn't help for start up this year though. Perhaps you can use the same concept for your fall sale. If your council doesn't do a fall sale, I would ask them what they suggest for start up funds. Maybe there is a different fundraiser you can do. Fall leave clean up, bake sale, brat sale, or something. Of course you need to get council approval for any fundraisers.

When our concils merged our cookie sale almost got moved to the spring, but we fought hard to keep it in the fall. We are done before snow, deer hunting season is in the midst of booth sales, and then we have the bulk of our funds earlier in the year. I know that some councils have legal comflicts for cookie fundraising in the fall. Luckily we were able to work around those issues.

I would ask your counci, for guidance on funding a new troop and don't use their answer of troop dues as the only answer. Make a list of what you need funds for and be detailed - supplies, snacks, badges, activities, books, etc. troop dues can't cover it all.

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7/17/12 8:06 P

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We won't have our cookie sale until the GS year is almost over unfortunately. It's like in May or June we get the actual cookies here. We do have the fall sale though.

How does the one troop cover the cost of the sash and badges? Money left in the acct from sales? I'm kind of surprised that you can only charge $10 a year and still do ok. Do they have weekly dues to pay for the badges and supplies and things? And the other one has no dues, wow! I'm really surprised!!

One of the things I remember from the meeting is we can only carry over $100 in the bank acct to the next year. Unless we are planning on doing something very specific.

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7/17/12 7:34 P

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I am involved in troops in two different communities. In one we charge $10 a year, but the troop covers the cost of the sash and required patches (flag, troop numeral, etc) when they bridge to the next level. In the other I don't charge any troop dues (and I have way too much money for that troop).

There is usually a fall sale - either cookies or candy and nuts - if the girls do any selling, it gives you enough to get started and if it is the cookie sale, it should give you enough for the year. It is just the first couple of months of a new troop that are difficult for money. If you plan right, you can carry enough over the next year so you can get through until the fall sale the next year.

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7/17/12 5:29 P

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Thank you both SO much for your help, you've given me a lot of insight. And more help than the council has so far!!

I did buy one journey guide and the leader's book for it today, just to see. I don't want to wait until the last minute to start planning things. The other leader and I are going to buy just one journey book and make photocopies of things for the girls so they don't have to buy that book if they don't want to.

I'm glad to know I can get a 5 pk of try its, I know they're going to want to do a lot of badges!

And thanks for the heads up about the requirements for the badges, LJ, you really cleared that up for me, and it makes total sense. I just want this to be FUN for the girls (And myself!) and I was starting to get bogged down with questions that are going unanswered by my support person.

Oh, I have a question, how much do you suggest dues be set at for a brand new club (no supplies at all). I don't want this to be too expensive for the parents, but I also want enough funds to do fun stuff. They have that $14 due to the main GS council (something like that) and then they have to buy the books and vest (that'll be like $40-$50 or so) plus the introductory badges. Do we charge them 'start up' dues for the troop and also weekly dues, or just weekly dues??

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7/16/12 11:21 P

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Not only do most councils not carry them (though Alaska has a lot still) they'd have to go on the back of the vest because they aren't official any more. But if you do all the Try-its and journeys already in the book/binder for Brownies, it'll keep you busy. You generally do one Journey each year, in any order. In addition, you can get a pack of five sheets with tryit instructions to go with each Journey, if your girls are badge-crazy and love getting tryits. There are also the cookie sales try-its and global action badges. And once a year a girl or troop can make up their own try-it. So there's plenty to do and plenty to earn.

Just remember, you don't have to obscess about a girl being absent and missing a requirement or activity. These Brownie badges are "participation" badges, not proficiency badges. If they don't remember a thing about it, that's OK. If you didn't have time to prepare well and you just touch on the main ideas, that's OK. They just have to participate at least a little. I've run into Brownie leaders who make the girls write everything down and take tests to make sure they know things....pft! What kind of fun is that? They're just little kids and this isn't a college-prep activity. They aren't "cheating" if they sit there dreaming while you are trying to teach them something. They just get what they get and learn what they learn and that's OK. There is no Badge Police in Girl Scouts. Of course, if a girl is cheating you might talk to her kindly, but in the end, she lives with it, you aren't responsible for making sure she does it "right".

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7/15/12 9:02 P

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Only the journey books and the girl guide are the currently used products. You can use the older badge books, but be aware the badges are hard to come by and man concils don't carry them anymore.

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I would suggest buying just one girl guide and checking it out to decide if you want to invest in guides for all the girls. I didn't do that, I just have a troop,copy that we work out of.
I also have done any of the badge sets, I have stuck wit the badges you can do individually. You need to do what is best for your troop thoug and the girl guide wil give yo a good overview.

For the journeys, check with your council and see if they have a library that you can check out the journeys from in order to decide which one you want to do if that is the path you want to follow. That way you don't have to invest in books you aren't gong to use and you ca decide if you just need a troop copy of if you need a copy for each girl.

Don't let it overwhelm you, just take it one step at a time!


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7/15/12 8:46 P

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I'm still not sure which books are still in use and which are obsolete. Is this one the green one with the hands on it?? So many of them have bad reviews on Amazon, with people saying different books are a waste, so I've held off on buying any right now until I have my next meeting and am told exactly what to buy.

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7/15/12 5:58 P

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Make sure to get the girl scout guide. There are individual badges in there to do. That's what I did with my girls last year and they had fun with each one we did.

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7/15/12 5:23 P

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Hello, I'm new to this group, and new to scouting. My daughter is entering 2nd grade. She wanted to join last year, but there weren't enough leaders, and we were told we had to start a troop to get her in. So this year, she still wants to, so I agreed to lead the troop. Thankfully I met another mom who is going to do it w/me. We're both brand new at this.

After spending weeks looking over all the Journeys and reading reviews, I'm sort of disappointed in it all. I wish they hadn't done away with the try-its. It seems like this is more academically geared. I have nothing against academics, I just wanted this to be more FUN!! Not add another hour of schooling and writing and journaling to their day. Granted, I haven't actually started yet, and I know I can tailor the journey to fit the girls, I was just hoping we would have more opportunities to earn badges and pick those badges. I still have to finish my training and meetings so maybe I'll regain my enthusiasm when I get more info.

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When the journeys first came out, they were very difficult to understand. I think that the newer journeys were improved based on feedback from the 1st year's and the goals are more easily understandable. I really like the new badges that have come out to support the journeys. Last year I used those with my brownies rather than working on a journey over a couple of meetings. As most leaders know, it is difficult to plan continuous work when you don't have the same girls there all the time.

I will also say I LOVE the new Gold Award. The focus has become the project rather than all the preliminary work required before the project could be done.

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7/15/12 4:35 A

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Girl Scouts has been into change since I can remember. Constantly changing uniforms~ a big publicity mistake, I always thought, atempting to cater to the wrong targets. And every decade or so they revise and reorganize, which is good. But this time I was amazed by the enormity and challenge of the changes. Those leaders who had finally gotten all trained and experienced and comfortable with all aspects of the program suddenly found themselves at sea. Most people resist change, I think. Especially change from traditions and ways they have some personal attachment to because it concerns themselves and their daughters.
So what do you see as the greatest changes, and how do you feel about them?

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