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I'm committed to seeing my daughter and her classmates through scouts as long as the parents will have me and my daughter wants to continue in scouts. Whatever changes are made from "above" we will respect . . . as well always have - may not like all of them, but would respect them. :) My problem with the older/younger troops is that as a classroom teacher and long time scout myself I feel that the younger scouts will always have a "lesser" experience because the older ones will always take charge more. It is human nature. We live in a very sports directed community (so far we do not participate) although my students do. They only like their chosen sport every other year - when they are the older scout. Once again in our service unit we do a great job of getting together with older/younger scout troops. The older girls at our day camp will help the different groups of Brownies and younger Juniors. They juniors do more service projects to guide the Brownies, etc. I feel that we have a great balance without it being mandated. I do not worry about losing leaders as much as I worry about losing my girls. I know that if we divided our 24 into 2 troops as it many would quit because there would be so much hub-bub over who would be in which troop with which leader, etc. It would be more of a "clique" environment than I would want to be a part of. If parents could go along with it without it being a problem, I would stick it through, but that isn't what scouting is about to me. SO MANY DETAILS to work out . . . but truth be told we are all in it for the best interest of the girls!

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I think it's great when the older girls can get involved with the younger ones. My daughter earned her Junior Aide Award by helping Brownies bridge to Juniors. Then she earned her Silver Award by helping those same Juniors bridge to Cadettes. That was neat. I think they like to help do that stuff too. We have the Cadettes/Seniors help do some things at camp. Just so they have some free time to them selves.

We got a lot of new staff at our council. So it could go either way at this point. I just keep trudging along working with the girls.

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OK, now I'm coming at you from my GS positions other than leader/advisor (mostly trainer and SUM) and you probably won't agree with me. Troops should (and may be required as of this coming fall) be made up of multi-grade girls, even it that means taking two single grade troops, combining them and then splitting them into two multi-grade troops. The idea behind it is that every troop will have the older group taking on and learning leadership while the younger group is starting out at that level. Their second year, they'll be the leaders and so on. This will happen from Daisies right on up. Daisies will be K/1, Brownies 2/3, Juniors 4/5/6, Cadette 7/8, Senior 9/10 and Girl Scout Ambassador 11/12. It's an exciting time to be a GS volunteer but it's a lot of changes and I'm afraid we may lose some people who like things to stay the same. I remember all the friction when Studio 2B came out. Our council from top to bottom embraced it and the girls came out winners in the end.
I commend your SU on doing it's own day camp. I sure wouldn't do it without Council standing behind me and giving support. Our SU could never afford it anyway unless we charged the girls an outrageous fee.

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Organizations, schools, business, etc. are made up of people. If you get a group of people with a similar "attitude", let's say, then the new people hired in are hired to have that same attitude. It is hard to change that for sure. I know this is not ALWAYS true, but is a very difficult thing to change. We could let it bring us down, but we really don't. My co-leader and I divide our duties based on our strengths. She does the banking and council things primarily and I plan our meetings and do most connections with the parents. She doesn't take an attitude lightly so she usually tells them what she thinks. If I go there and get an attitude (which is NOT every time I will add) I leave ready to quit being a leader. :) She doesn't let me go there often. AND it really isn't that bad!!! We never let it stand in the way of what we need to do for the girls - ever! We do a darned good job without them of giving our girls a very well rounded scouting experience and work closely with a few of the other leaders in the area that also have strong scouting beliefs and ideas.

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I would guess that our council is not the best either. I am hoping it will start getting better as the realignment moves along. I know with all the changes there are hard feelings in the council as well as leaders and volunteers. I just am holding out to see if it gets better. I hope so, cause it's for the girls not the leaders or employees.

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Oh no. We do one grade level at a time. I remember as a scout myself in the same town there were times we "doubled up" with other grades around us for numbers and for the leaders to work together. We stick with grade levels due to the number. We couldn't double up our 24 with another troop of 20 and get much of anything done on a "personal" level for the girls. As far as making unique troops that contain say 4th, 3rd, and 2nd graders I'm not sure how that would fly. Same girls in one grade or class having 3 different leaders. Hmmm? There are some people who have quieted down a lot, but wanted my co-leader and I to make 2 troops because 24 girls was "too many". I am teacher with 20 kids in my class all day every day by myself. To have 24 girls in scouts WITH A CO-LEADER is a dream for me. We THRIVE on our number and love it!!! If you aren't a Brownie or haven't been a Brownie in 2nd grade in our town YOU are the odd one not the other way around like it usually is. The girls we have had quit over the years spend a lot of their time in dance or sports which we totally support and understand. We still treat them as "ours" when we see them at the store or in the halls at school. They know they are still important to us and the parents know we understand they have to make choices. My daughter dances and she has been told that if she takes on one more night a week of dance we may have to give up scouts. That is what life is about - choices.

Wow - that was a tangent! Camps are different but I think similar around here. Our council - formerly Green Meadows, but now Central Illinois - holds camps either a week long (day camps and overnights), one days or even 3 days at one of "their" camps which is about 20 min. from our town. NOT a big deal really. My daughter has been to some and had a good time. They did NOT do a good job of sticking with themes or doing much more than a YMCA Day Camp type approach though. My daughter and I didn't mind because she had a good time and had a positive experience. Many of the parents complained because if you sign your daughter up for an "American Girl Day Camp" you want them to really come away learning something about different time periods and what is was like to live then (as promised). I never complained and curbed some of the other parents complained BUT!!! The council wasted a great week of wonderful ideas on blow up water slides and water balloon fights. My daughter played one game related to one of the "girls" and did one craft. Like I said, we did more camps regardless, but oh what I could have done with a theme like that!!!!

What "we" do is as a service unit on the side from that. We hold it at a public forest preserve nearby (about 5-15 min. -at the most - for all girls invited). It has been done for years and I spent one week every summer of my youth out there with my mom as a leader. The only problem - and I think it is a big one - is the forest preserve now requires no more than 60 girls. We don't have too much of a problem with this and as far as I know we ahve never turned anybody down. WE CAN'T GET ENOUGH ADULTS TO VOLUNTEER ANYWAY!!!!! UGH! It is up to the 3 co-leaders to make all the plans, recruit, etc. We try very hard to keep the basics of scouting involved. We do canoeing, archery, knives, knots, fires and cooking, etc. with a different twist every year. This year the theme is " Are you Smarter Than a Girl Scout?". We are SO EXCITED about our many ideas. The Brownies will be earning 2 try-its, plus a patch as will the Juniors be earning 2 badges and the patch.

I am rambled and rambled, but it is so neat to compare notes and see what is going on everywhere!

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4/13/08 9:15 A

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I'm always amazed at how different things are in other parts of the country. Which Council are you?
I'm curious, you mentioned leaders for 2nd, 5th and 6th grade. Does that mean your troops are one grade only? It's my understanding that all troops should be two grade (or three for Juniors) by next fall as part of the change in levels is so that all girls have a chance to be the 'older' girls in their troops.
Because Vermont is so rural, our day camps are almost always a half hour or more away. We run busses from lots of locations so any girl who wants to go to camp can go. The camp I direct brings in girls from all over, some almost an hour away. We do two different weeks, one in July and another in August, each with a different theme. Quite a few girls go for both weeks. I'm excited. Can't wait for the snow to go away and the mud to dry up so we can get up to camp and do some spring cleaning!
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Suggestions and "programs" for our individual troop would be great. "Talking" to our council is usually less than enjoyable. We aren't the only leaders who feel that way. Our service unit is pretty strong right now at least with 3 of us. We are the 3 that are co-directors of our area Day Camp this summer (one our council let's us do, but isn't thrilled with because it takes away from their camps which are 30-45 min. away from our girls). Anyway - It does usually get recognized as the best camp in the council though by the end of the summer. The 3 co-directors are leaders of the 2nd, 5th, and 6th grades which adds a perfect diversity to planning large events. Two of those 3 troops have over 20 girls. This year we did just for our town an ice skating day. That was really neat to know that everybody at the ice rink that evening were Girl Scout families just from our town of 4,000. That was fun.

I love the idea of us hosting a service unit project and with it being our last year as Brownies next year it would be a good chance for us to do that and get warmed up for Juniors. HHMMM. I will have to toss that around for a bit. This morning I am planning to devote to getting some scouting stuff done I am behind on and playing with some ideas for next year - maybe even put some things up for a vote with the girls to get them excited about coming back next year!

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4/12/08 9:47 P

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The new materials are for troops to do as part of their program, not events, so being a large troop wouldn't be a problem. It'll be in addition to your badgebooks etc.
Our Council puts out a program event guide at the beginning of the year with all of our events and registration dates in it. Really helpful for planning and letting parents know what's coming, when registrations and money are due and so on. We also get mini events brochures during the year for anything that is added to the original calendar.
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Does your service unit ever plan events? We do a fun day for each age level. Maybe next year your girls could plan a service unit event, then you know you can go! They could do it to earn their Bronze Award. They would have fun doing that and you should hve lots of parent help with 24 sets of parents.

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That's crummy. You should talk to the council they should be able to make some kind of an exception on occasion for large troops. That just isn't fair.

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We usually don't/aren't able to participate with anything dealing with our council. Since we have 24 girls and most of them participate in most events there isn't room for us most of the time. We have to get the parents to ok them being there before we register which is only an email away, but then we turn in the registration and we are usually turned away only to have to tell the parents "never mind". That is why we do everything on our own. Not a big fan of our council since I was a Gold Award recipient myself after 12 years of scouting. Unfortunately have a couple of years of disappointing circumstances we now just keep our distance where we can. We will look at the new materials and what is offered though . . . see what we can find!

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You'll have new program materials to add to your kits in the fall. I'm part of the Leadership Development Action Team for our council. I'm going to one of the conferences in May and will learn more. The new materials will be "Journeys" based on a theme and will encompass Discover, Connect and Take Action for each of age levels. It looks pretty exciting and will be in addition to what you already have.
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THANKS!!!! That motivates me completely. Some of those we have done, but many we have not. Great to have some original ideas for our 4th year in scouts!!!!

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We have a local radion station (the one at the college) that will give the girls free tours of the station, and even asked them a few questions on air.

We also combined a service project (making a baby gift basket for a new mom) and took it to the hospital and got a tour of the nursery. The girls got to mask up and go inside (not too near babies), and then have their picture make in their masks.

We went on a nature hike at a local nature center park - we have done that several times as the girls like it.

This weekend we are going to a doll show.

One day at a time . . .


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An overnight trip to the museum sounds good.

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Police station....See if they will have the K9 there.
Fire Station
Bakery - for cookie Try it or pin
See if you have a candy store that makes candy
Local museum
Work on camera badge-take disposables to the park for a hike. Check w local stores for out of date disposable cameras.
Geocaching in local park
I'll keep thinking..........






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Due to scheduling and what our troop has decided it wants from Brownie scouts we have had a meeting a month and an "outing" a month this whole year. It has worked out great! This summer we intend to do a campout, a week long day camp with our service area, and then maybe another event. Now looking ahead to next year I would like some new "monthly events" that the girls would enjoy. It is our last year before juniors when we really kick it up a notch. Anybody have some fun 2-4 hour long ideas?

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