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4/3/12 5:42 P

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Thanks, Kristie - I'll check out the site too! emoticon emoticon

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Good to know my guess @ the plants being distroyed was correct, seemed logical! The rest of the info is great, thanks! I will have to check out thier website!

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4/3/12 5:16 P

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I stumbled across this on the Christian Vegetarian Associations website. Perfect timing after what was just being discussed...

"Why did God give Noah permission to eat meat (Gen. 9:2–4)?

Virtually all plants were destroyed by the Flood. Alternatively, God may have allowed Noah limited freedom to express human violence, since unrestrained violence was responsible for the Flood itself (Gen. 6:11–13). Importantly, this passage neither commands meat eating nor indicates that the practice is God’s ideal. Indeed, eating meat came with a curse—animals would no longer be humanity’s friends: “The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast…” (Gen. 9:2). While eating meat was not prohibited, it represented a complete break from God’s ideal of animals and humans living peacefully together, as depicted in Eden and by the prophets."

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4/2/12 10:06 P

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lol...I do that myself sometimes. But it's really bad when I have someone ask me a question about what they were talking about... emoticon emoticon

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Yea, I tend to over think things like that, but I guess in some ways it could be good, but other times it ends up being a distraction. Yesterday @ church the minister was talking about Jesus healing the man @ Bethzatha, I got SO preoccupied with the fact that the cripple man, throughout the whole story, kept blaming everyone else (including Jesus) that I think I might have missed the point that the minister was making....which ironically was...missing the point! lol!

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4/2/12 5:05 P

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Thanks, CLCCOOL, I never thought about the sheep and cattle - thanks!

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4/2/12 4:55 P

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Calamityjane44: It was after the flood that He said that we could eat meat,but then, ofcourse, in Numbers he gave a list of things NOT to eat. Though under the New Covenant we don't follow the old laws & rules, they were still given for our well being. I'm not sure WHY He changed this after the flood, maybe because it would take a few years for the plant based foods to regrow & people needed something to eat. But, I've always been baffled that he had to supply the Isrealites manna & quail to eat in the desert, when they had plenty of sheep & cattle!

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4/2/12 11:12 A

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Hi CLCCOOL! So looking forward to eating this way. I like your idea of eating only what God created. I've been wondering a lot about why he allowed meat eating when it's clear from Genesis that we were originally created to be plant eaters. Something to do with sin and the fall? Anybody have any ideas on this?

Anyway, I know that the closer I get to what God put here for me to eat, the better I am treating His temple. It's nice to be part of a group who understands that and who worships the Creator rather than His marvelous creation!

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4/2/12 10:33 A

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I have seen Dr Furhman on PBS & read his website, but never heard of Dr McDougall, I will have to check it out. Though I don't follow "diets" or eating plans, I've studied nutrition for several years & learned that if I only eat foods that benefit my body & that only have ingredients that I can pronounce, it works best. There are a few things that if I hear a nutritionist say, makes me run for the exits, such as, if they are misinformed on coconut oil & honey, which are 2 of the best ingredients we can put into our bodies. I do believe the low carb/high protein trend was the WORST thing to happen to us, especially veg heads, now it seems more diffecult to eat out, you can't even get a salad these days without animal on it! lol!

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4/2/12 10:09 A

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Hi Kristie! Thanks for the warm welcome!

The principle behind both Dr. McDougall and Dr. Fuhrman is the concept of caloric density. The chart below taken from a discussion forum was posted by one of Dr. McDougall's associates, Jeff Novick, MS, MD. There are a lot of neat videos by him and others on youtube as well.

"Caloric density chart:

Fresh Veggies are around 100 cal/lb
Fresh Fruits around 250-300 cal/lb
Starchy Veggies/Intact Whole Grains around 450-500 cal/lb
Legumes around 550-600 cal/lb
Processed Grains (even if their Whole grain) around 1200-1500 cal/lb
Nuts/Seeds around 2800 cal/lb
Oils around 4000 cal/lb

What they found is if the calorie density of the food is below 400 calories per pound, not matter how much they eat, they all lost weight.

Between 600-800 calories per pound, with some moderate exercise, they all lost weight.

Between 800-1200 calories per pound, people gained weight, except for those with very high activity levels

Over 1200 calories per pound, everyone gained weight.

These numbers are also inline with other recommendations.

The recent WCF/AICR report on cancer recommends that the average calorie density of our diets be around 550-600 calories per pound, to avoid obesity and weight problems.

The Okinawan diet, before Western influence, was around 600-650 calories per pound

So, knowing all this, if you look at the numbers, it all makes sense.

A starch based diet, made up of starchy vegetables and intact whole grains along with some fruit and veggies, will have a calorie density under 500 calories per pound and maybe even 400 calorie per pound. It would be near impossible to overeat.

You can also see the problem with many of the "low fat" diets that focused on processed whole grains, like whole wheat bread, crackers, dry cereals. At 1200-1500 calories per pound, if they become a large part of the diet, they can raise the overall calorie density and make it much easier to overeat on calories and easy to gain weight and/or not lose weight, even with a higher activity level. Hence the principles of the MWL program is to avoid those foods, or really limit them.

In Health
Jeff Novick, MS, RD"

Another associate of Dr. McDougall's Dr. Lisle has a good video here - http://youtu.be/xAdqLB6bTuQ it's long, but worth the watch.

Dr. Fuhrman is much the same as Dr. McDougall, except he limits the starches, whereas Dr. McDougall centers meals around them.

I have only been doing his plan for about a week now, but let me tell you, the food cravings have STOPPED ENTIRELY, and I can wait calmly until I'm hungry again. Food is not even on my mind until I get hungry. Anyone who knows me would be shocked to say the least! lol


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4/2/12 9:49 A

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Welcome, CALAMITYJANE! I've heard of Fuhrman and McDougall, but haven't read much about their plans. Maybe you can share some of their wisdom with us?

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Hello everyone! My name is Anita and I've been playing around with the vegan thing for about a year. Tried following Fuhrman's plan, but found myself eating what seemed like ALL THE TIME so now I'm following the McDougall plan, centering my meals around starches.

I belong to some other veg. groups, but none of them Christian focused. I'm looking forward to getting to know some fellow sparkies who share a similar worldview!



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3/22/12 11:01 P

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Welcome, CLCCOOL! It'll be good to have a "seasoned" vegetarian in the group. Most of us are fairly new to the veg game. I've been veg for five years now, but sometimes I still feel like a newbie :) I don't think you'll find any judgementalism here, so hopefully you'll be happier!

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3/21/12 9:48 P

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Hi! I have been a veg-head for over 30 years, since there were only one type of vegetarian, lol, & we were considered "hippies". I was with another veg/vegan group, but it was getting WAY too crowded & a bit judgemental! As a Christian, I thought that this would be a better fit for me!

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3/13/12 11:48 A

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Welcome, Shari! You should be able to find all the info you need here on Spark, and if not, one of us will point you in the right direction. Ask lots of questions!

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3/13/12 9:26 A

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I'm curious about learning more about the vegan lifestyle. I've downloaded the E recipe book. I'm an animal lover and it doesn't feel right eating meat. I hope I can get lots of info to help me change my lifestyle--and help me lose weight and get fit in the process.

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Hi - My name is Di and I was a member of this group in the past and just rejoined. I am recommitting myself to a plant-strong meal plan, but have been a very unhealthy eater most of my life and I lapse back into that eating when times get tough. I want to be consistent in my eating and to use God, not food, as my comforter. I look forward to getting to know everyone.
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I have been away from SP for quite some time now. Summer allows me more freedom to regroup and clearly, I need that when it comes to my overall health. It also helps that my husband is currently in a healthy reboot cycle.

One of my big goals is pay more attention to my protein intake. Many days I hit my caloric total and only have about 15g of protein for the day. I know ways of adding protein, but many are calorie dense. Also, knowing and doing are two very different things for me. I have a lot of knowledge and what I don't know I love to research, but the action step... implementing that knowledge is a struggle for me.

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My name is Judith and I live in the UK. I am veggetarian and have been on and off for years - some day I'd love to be vegan but I do like my cheese.

I live in the UK with my dog called Pickle, because she is always in one!, and do voluntary work with older people. I'm just off out now, but I would love to get to know you all better....

May God bless your socks off today!

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4/2/11 10:57 A

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Welcome to the Team! Great to have you with us.
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Hello, new to the group and have been a vegetarian for 3 months now. Would love to meet others who are on this journey. Love God and Loving life!

Edited by: LOVE7755 at: 3/30/2011 (15:47)
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Not new to spark been around for a few years.
a lot of changes for me in 2010 & 2011
i went to my first christen church services in 2010 after a life time of being raised catholic and beat up by the nuns in school! LOL!
then after yoyo dieting following atkins, whole foods, and so many counting calories. lose the weight and gain it back with 5 or 10 extra so in Jan of this year i tipped the scale at 305 and i will be turning 49 in April!
i read shiny bantered was up set with the treatment of the animals but not enough to give up meat completely yet. i went organic at that time. i was a closet vegetarian picked up a few mags VT 7 Veg news. read a article from a interview on bob from BL. he was talking about the china study!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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well that woke me up and i became a vegetarian and have never felt better than i have ever today. i try to work out 2 to 3 time a week work permitting. i work 2 job a week average about 70 hours a week. i have lost 30 pounds so far.

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Welcome! So glad to you came to our Team.
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Hi, I just joined spark people yesterday. I am looking for some buddies. :)

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Welcome! So glad to have you with the team!
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Hi! My name is Jen, and I am working on getting healthy. I started at the beginning of the year, and feel so much better already. Starting next month, I plan to be dairy free due to lactose intolerance. I would also like to lead a meat free lifestyle. I am glad to be part of the group!

Blessings!

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