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8/21/19 9:29 P

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redmanchronic - good luck with finding a plan/concept that works for you. I've never done well with ready-made plans. Tried Dr. Fung's plan, didn't work for me, felt so sick all the time.



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@remanchronic, another poster in another post provided this regarding Dr Jason Fung's approach. Don’t get turned off because Dr Fung is a nephrologist who treats diabetic patients. The information is still good.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/intermittent-fasting/questions-and-answers

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@redmanchronic one last thing. you do need to pay attention to your level of hunger. You should always listen to what your body is telling you as that is part of the process. But you will need to determine if you’re actually hungry or eating out of habit or for some other non-hunger related reason. Begin each meal with water or unsweetened d tea (sounds awful but it really isn’t).

If you can swing it, read Dr Jason Fung’s Obesity Code book. But I warn you it’s long and he breaks down quite a bit of the studies that have been done on diet and exercise over more than 50 years. You can probably find him on YouTube as well. But book is better.

BTW, I was always skeptical of Fung because I thought, OH GAWD NOT ANOTHER LERSON TELLING ME WHAT I SHOULD DO TO LOSE WEIGHT!!! But it’s really good information but definitely goes against the grained what’s normally presented for healthy eating.

I did use a nutritionist but I really had to tweak the info given as I moved along my journey. Also it’s ABSOLUTELY OK to go against a lot of the recommendations especially calories in and calories out and in reader exercise. Sure that’s great but it only gets you so far. It’s not always that simple. If you want to understand more about why that’s where reading Fung may help.

Good luck. It’s good you’re tackling this before you get too far overweight and recognized you have an issue with gain. Be good to you.

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@redmanchronic what you’re asking for should be the norm. But do go into this with some info on what you want to achieve and ask for where you need help. Do NOT be afraid to speak up. You’re paying this person for a service after all. But also keep in mind that many are trained and will give you information based on the FDA food guidelines. That does not work for everyone because it may be too high in carbs from grains and fruit. What may work better is to choose portions by what’s on your plate. Go for higher percentages of veggies and lean proteins. You will need to tweak things a bit as you go along. That’s part of the process. Also make your changes so that they are not too extreme but are changes you can live with for life.

If you don’t cook you’re going to have to learn how to at least do the basics.

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I started gaining weight the minute I was discharged from the Army. It got really out of control and discussed it with my PCP at the VA who suggested I go to see a dietitian/nutritionist.

I am now with the third one because the first one did nothing but 'fat shame' me and the second one didn't seem to care. They only looked into their computer screen and never looked at me when we were in conversation.

What I would like to do with my dietitian is to work together and develop a meal plan. Not just this many calories per meal....but actual meals showing portions and calorie count. Once I have that, I can focus on that rather than let my level of hunger dictate what I will eat.

Am I asking too much? All those years in the military, I learned to follow training schedules on a day to day basis. This meant I always knew what I was supposed to be doing.

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One of the things I love about SparkPeople is the opportunity to get an education on healthy eating and living habits. I do a lot of reading and trial and error on my own and SP's Nutrition Tracker with its ability to add nutrients and log in one's own foods and their numbers is one of the reasons I'm back here. I find the experimenting interesting, even exciting emoticon and that is often enough to keep me at it, keep me thinking and learning and improving my health.

I think a dietician/nutritionist can be a good, personal opportunity for a bit of education, kind of like a doctor; but what they have to say, their approach and what they offer has to be looked at based on one's own knowledge and interests and willingness to try some of the things they have to offer or challenge them or read about them one's self and make up one's own mind. I think one of the goals is to know one's own body well so one can apply all the various information out there and see what works or is worthwhile and what is not. Like everything else, what is "learned" about human nutrition, what is the "in" thing at the moment, the new diet, etc. changes over time and our job is to evaluate and take what is useful to us from all the stuff coming at our windshield.

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Over 30 years ago I was 35-40 pounds overweight and 30 years old, I was diagnosed with high blood pressure and my physician referred me to a nutritionist. It was absolutely the best 90 minutes spent in my life. She asked me for a typical day's menu. Then she told me I would never be able to eat like that ever again after walking out of her clinic.

I spent the next 10 minutes crying. She educated me on the evil of fat-free products (they replace the taste you crave with worse fillers). She educated me on how to shop in grocery stores (outer aisles only). She educated me on how to read labels, the disguises sodium and sweeteners use for labeling purposes and how to order when dining out at popular restaurants.

She taught me how to navigate food and that it's a lifestyle, not a diet. Then she introduced me and gave me a copy of The DASH Diet.

I owe her my life. I am fit for 64, still eating a huge salad for one meal every day....and running in 5Ks. Am I perfect? Not even! Am I grateful? Yes!

And, Oh! I'm off that high blood pressure medicine.


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Sadly, the dietician I went to for advice about how to cook for a diabetic husband only included reduction in sugar intake (use splenda and other non sugar sweeteners)--which ignores the big issue of fat found in cells that prevents insulin from entering and working. No mention about how to make recipes low-fat. She lumped Good carbs and bad carbs together as "don't eat carbs."

DH A1C has been reduced from 7.0 steadily down to prediabetic and we hope soon NOT diabetic by following the Whole foods Plant based No oil diet recommended by Drs. McDougall, Barnard, Gregor,Fuhrman, Esselstyne ....It works and is healthy for your arteries, heart and kidneys as well.

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@SLIMMERKIWI Sad. I guess the lesson I would take from this is to use your best thoughts and intuition as to whether or not this is someone here to help, or just earning a paycheck. Just like other areas - some graduate at the top of their class and some at the bottom. So glad you found one that helped.

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@OLDZELDA13 OMG - THAT Dietitian could have been the same one as one I was initially referred to for a health condition many years ago. She wouldn't look at what I ate or listen to me. Instead she assumed and refused to talk about *MY* diet. She discharged me (she was a Hospital Dietitian) telling my GP that I was non-compliant and not interested in applying her recommendations. She didn't recommend anything, and how can you when you aren't prepared to find out about the client's lifestyle/diet. It was a load of clap trap and fortunately my GP was aware. A few years later when I was referred to the one who I adored, I happened to mention this other Dietitian to her. She said that she was well known in the system for exactly the same reasons I disliked her and also said that most of her clients felt the same way as me. She also said "fortunately she is only working part-time now"

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If I was looking for a dietitian, I would know what I expected from them and they would work within any parameters I had. The last one I spoke with was made available to me and others that were attending rehabilitation sessions for a medical condition. Her initial consult with me was mainly cutting down on sweets that she assumed I was having. She never bothered to ask what I was eating or what my weaknesses were. I know my issue is portion control. I seldom have sweets or desserts and if sugar was to disappear from this earth, I would be fine. Those assumptions left me thinking I would be better off without her help and judgment.

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I am a naturopath so I set a high bar for what I would expect from a dietician/nutritionist. When I went to a coach to get my weight loss started, part of his "package" was a number of appointments with his nutritionist. She really wasn't very good, but I didn't really need her to help me create a diet in any case; I just needed the coaching support to get myself back on track.

A good nutritionist can help you to create a food plan (not a diet, but a food plan for living) that fits YOUR needs - with an eye to your health issues as well as just incorporating things that you like to eat - and no food group should be cut out. Minimized, yes, but not cut out.



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I worked with a registered dietitian in Seattle who was very helpful in identifying ways to tweak my diet to address some health concerns. She was well-versed in the local food movement, in addition to dealing with endocrin disorders via diet (I have genetically high cholesterol).

1. Be very clear what your ultimate goal is, what is "non-negotiable" for you right now, and that you are willing to put in the work (recording diet, learning new cooking methods, etc.). For example, my "non-negotiable" was I won't eliminate entire food groups from my diet. Period. I'm perfectly willing to limit items, or learn to make swaps that will help my health, but you are not going to talk this cheese-loving omnivore into becoming a vegan. I'm also not willing to cook against the seasons - no salads in January, no winter squash in June. In addition to everything being shipped ridiculous distances, stuff just tastes better in season!

2. Don't be afraid to "fire" your provider if things aren't working out. Sometimes there are personality clashes, or your provider just isn't as educated in a particular area as you need. If possible, keep things civil and ask for a referral to another provider who can better serve your needs.

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I've enjoyed this conversation. It's been helpful. Thanks for sharing.



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@LADIASTER If you manually enter in your ingredients AND you track trans fats, you will see what you are wanting to know. You can do this by going to "Tools and Settings" in your Nutrition tracker and selecting Fatty Acids. Remember to save this before you leave.

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What I need from a dietician is the formula for figuring the amount of sat fat in a recipe. I cut out a recipe from the newspaper and it has all of the nutrition except for sat fat. Help.

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I think “what you want/what are your expectations” is a question to be answered before any appointment.
Massage, nutritionist, therapist, etc.

So what do you want?
What do you expect the professional to do?
And mind reading isn’t an answer.

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To everyone who has gotten help from nutritionist/dieticians, I'm happy for you, I wish it was that way for everyone.

But I'm tired of being told that I should import a large portion of my calories from tropical regions because coconut everything. I live in Oregon, I shouldn't "need" to import anything. I'm okay with importing spices, seasoning, small indulgences, but not most of my diet.

Thanks to all encouraging me with my endeavors. I get so discouraged.

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“I have 80 acres and the desire to produce most of my food from this land, so that is what I'm going to do.”

That is really refreshing to hear.

Well over 50% of my diet comes from my property, my hands, when I am at home. That is upwards of 75% this time of year.

Work has me traveling a bit, I’ve learned to navigate that rather well.

Step away from the barcode. Lol

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For me, I am looking for someone to help me learn to recognize which foods do and do not support my health and well-being. Elimination diets have been a part of that process.

I would also like assistance in identifying any nutrient gaps and learning what I can do to rectify the situation.

I have worked with a couple of nutritionists during the course of my life. Both of them have supported my process well.


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6/18/19 8:44 A

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URBANREDNEK - your response is pretty similar to how I feel and what I was looking for, instead all that I have been offered are cookie cutter approaches not taking into account any personal issues or preferences.

I am tired of medical professionals that just don't help. I keep trying and am forever disappointed and upset by them.

I am fortunate as well to have the time to figure things out myself, and I guess that is going to have to be enough. I have 80 acres and the desire to produce most of my food from this land, so that is what I'm going to do.

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Sometimes we NEED a Registered Dietitian in person, rather than online. I had a Registered Dietitian for a few years and saw her regularly for monitoring.

After taking into account my medical situation including weight, height and blood results, AND the severe pain, AND after looking a some of my Nutrition Tracker printouts, she was able to identify WHY I was having great difficulty in even maintaining weight (very gradually creeping up). She initially gave me a calorie to aim for (not a range)

I started to lose weight. When I went back about a month later and took the printouts for every day. I found she didn't really need to ask any questions, but was able to make a couple suggestions re tweaking. Mind you, she also stated that she had never had a patient who had been able to provide very accurate information that she needed and it made it a lot easier for her. She also stated that she wished her other patients did the same.

If I were you at that initial appointment I would state:

* I want to lose weight but need help

* I would like to be able to enjoy the foods I like without having to cut them totally out, so help me find ways to accommodate this.

* What calorie range is best for me

If you have multiple health issues, ensure that your Dietitian is taking ALL of them into account. My sister is a Diabetic and was referred to a Registered Dietitian. She was told to NOT count calories, but she was told to eat x amount of carbs. She also wouldn't take into account her other health issues, such as the low fat diet she had been recommended to eat re Gall Bladder issues and Pancreatitis.

Some Dietitians are excellent, such as the one I had, but some ..... well, there is good and not so good in every profession.

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Becky Hand is my nutritionist. I study her writings and videos right here on SparkPeople and put them into action (for free). I do this because when I came here I quickly recognized the Spark Method as a balanced eating plan that made logical sense to me. There are times I don't agree with Becky or one of the other advisors here, but I stick with it and make compromises and do workarounds that keep me on point and that point is to maintain a calorie deficit to lose weight and maintain a good balance of macro and micronutrients. I never miss an appointment.

@URBANREDNEK makes a great case for the futility of finding that perfect advisor. I'm argumentative at best and do better on my own, so I'm not saying you should avoid going, but rather just a cautionary thought that what you've already discovered in your search for a great dietician may be that the search is unending?

I have presented some of the SparkPeople reports to various health professionals and the consensus seems uniformly positive. I guess my point is this... if you still feel the need, keep searching, but in the meantime, the tools you'll find here are pretty amazing and the program works if you do. Best of luck with your goals!

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Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a dietitian with an approach that I would appreciate (but, fortunately, I have been able to figure it out for myself).

I would appreciate a dietitian who started out by requesting two weeks worth of tracking of my "normal" way of eating - with no attempt to change anything - to be sent in just prior to first appointment. Tracking could be digital or just notes on paper of what was eaten, in rough portions, at what time, and with notes on hunger level prior to eating, fullness level afterwards, hunger level 2 hours later, and a note or two on emotions / focus / situation with each eating episode. It would be great to start out by basing my "new normal" on the flavour / timing / satiation preferences that I've developed over my lifetime --- so that new additions aren't such massively jarring changes.

I would appreciate a dietitian asking for a copy of my most recent blood work, and reviewing my health status and history.

I would appreciate a dietitian asking what my health goals are, what is my definition of "healthy enough", what part food plays in my family / friends / social life / emotion life, what areas I am open to change in and which ones I'm not, what food allergies / restrictions / intolerance / dislikes I am aware of, and how much time I truly can commit each day to planning and preparing foods.

I would appreciate a dietitian who doesn't automatically focus on body weight over and above everything else, and dictate "going on a diet", or pay lip-service to the idea of gradual and permanent changes but pushes severe calorie restriction dieting regardless (with the apparently sincere belief that 1200 calories per day is the most important part of "nutrition").

I would appreciate a dietitian who is interested in working with me to choose foods that provide necessary amounts of all nutrients: vitamins and minerals and essential fatty acids --- and doesn't just focus on the calories and suggest taking a supplement. Bonus points for one who actually has read and can cite some of the research showing that supplements do not provide the equivalent health benefit of ingesting nutrients as natural parts of whole foods.

I would appreciate a dietitian who understands the local food supply systems, what is available, what limitations there are, and asks what importance various attributes of the system have in my choices (sustainable soil practices, pasturing of meat, local sourcing, seasonal supply, home storage abilities / space).

I would appreciate a dietitian who can take the information gathered, and come up with suggestions suited for my individual needs and preferences --- based on what would be a "healthy enough" approach for me in the long term (years - not weeks).

So far, dietitians I've met with have been strongly against the idea of NOT severely restricting calories (I was flat-out told that I was an idiot for suggesting gradually working my way down to a reasonable maintenance calorie range for what would be a healthy BMI --- and that only dropping to "dieting" range could be useful for getting healthier). I haven't found one yet who could come up with suggestions besides supplements to deal with my personal health issues (yet I have managed to correct deficiencies and maintain healthy levels purely with foods). I haven't found one who was conversant with food supply systems / agricultural innovation / soil limitations --- or thought that it was important to know about when trying to understand the actual nutrition of foods.

I am extremely fortunate in having enough time to devote to learning about my nutritional needs and the various aspects of food that are important to me and my personal health. If I did not have the time and the access to information - as well as a very supportive medical team - and had just attempted to follow the instructions from the Registered Dietitians... well, I strongly suspect that I would maybe have starved myself down a few pounds, but would have gone back to my "old normal" within a short period of time due to feeling basically like crap and loathing the restrictions. I would likely be still taking the supplements though - since they are "essential due to the health issues".

I do realize that what I would appreciate from a Registered Dietitian is time consuming and far beyond the scope of what insurance companies would be willing to pay for - so can understand why those I have met with are limited in what they provide in a "typical" appointment. Those I have met with truly did try their best to give a solid overview of the generic "dieting for better health" approach, with as much personalization as they had time to give.

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So, I have had my share of appointments with each and the last one I spoke to asked me what I wanted from him. I wasn't prepared for that. His question wasn't sincere, it was a response to my unwillingness to exclude large food groups from my diet. But, it has caused me to evaluate that question.

If I was a dietician/nutritionist, my first question would be "what do you like to eat, how can we tweak that to make it healthier?

I am a big fan of harm reduction, and believe that perfection is the enemy of good.

What are you looking for in a dietician/nutritionist?

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