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So many opinions and so many options. Do what works for you. While processed foods and excessive carbs are not good for anyone, whether you are vegan, vegetarian or a meat eater, there are always good and bad choices. I personally feel that what or how people eat is as controversial as politics and religion. If I can't find something positive or helpful, I keep my mouth shut. Positivity wins every time!

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I have been following a ketogentic lifestyle for over 2 years. I works for me. My body likes it.. I like.. so glad to have come across it. Some cancer cells need sugar to grow.. so when my Dad was diagnosed with cancer I started researching menus... I stumble upon ketogentic. I feel if I have those cancer cells that need sugar to grow... I am not feeding them!
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I did one and got fantastic results better than any other diet. But i hated it. It is too restrictive and too much meat. It bothered me after few weeks and I didn't want to look at eggs chicken and fish. At least for me it is not for long term. I prefer normal eating plan with enough Protein carbohydrates and fibers. It takes time but also give good results and keeps you happy.

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You do realize that this thread is about a year old right? Not sure some of the "principles" are still posting on Spark!!


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CATSDOGSPIGEONS: I do think you could be a little more polite in your responses----and drop the sarcasm. I will go elsewhere to communicate about keto. I don't need this!

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I don't think any one way of eating is for 'everyone', because everyone is coming from a different place. Everyone has different issues which need to be addressed. Some people are diabetic, some are anorexic, some are morbidly obese, some have auto-immune diseases, etc.

For me, I am obese, insulin resistant, low metabolism, and hormonally imbalanced. Keto is the only thing that has worked for me in years to actually lose weight. Not calorie counting, not tracking, not low fat, not 'move more', not whole foods. Nothing else was working. Intermittent fasting was fantastic for lots of other health-related issues, but keto is what is actually making the scale go down at last!

I eat ample vegetables in the form of leafy greens, herbs, above-ground vegetables (cucumbers, radishes, peppers, tomatoes, zucchini, asparagus, broccoli, cabbage, mushrooms, olives, etc), low-sugar fruits like raspberries, blackberries, currents, or strawberries, avocado, flaxseed/flaxseed meal, nuts, and seeds. It is delightful to be able to grow many of these in my own garden! I supplement fiber with psyllium husk. I keep carbs under 25 net. (after years of tracking my food I'm a pro!)

I eat pasture raised beef and lamb, and our own chickens and eggs. Fish like salmon, herring, and tuna. I keep protein to around roughly 60g.

I eat olive oil, avocado oil, and walnut oil, no vegetable oils at all. Whole dairy when I have it - whole milk, butter, heavy cream. Whatever fats are in the meats. Fats vary based on my hunger levels, but stay pretty consistently between 70 and 100g.

I drink water, sparkling mineral water, herbal tea, and apple cider vinegar. No caffeine for now (no tea! cry!) as it is not playing well with my system.

I have occasional treats, so long as they remain in the low-carb category. I avoid sweeteners of all kinds, caloric or not. I limit any kind of processed foods, most of what I eat is made from scratch.


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7/31/18 2:15 P

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I've been on for a few months. Lost 17 lbs and am stuck there for now. I drink so I'm not expecting fast results. I drink vodka and sparkling ice water and no carbs or sugars in those. If I do have a drink, the liver just goes for that toxin first and gets rid of it and then back to fat burning. Been in ketosis for a while and alcohol will not kick you out if you are smart about it. Don't care what anyone thinks about Keto either. Doing what I want that works for me and it's my body to do with as I wish and don't care to read the negative. Lot's of positive out there too so I'm sticking with reading that.

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I'm about to start my 3rd week on keto on Monday. It's going well for me. I needed some extra confirmation about some of the controversial issues and was glad to find a site run my medical doctors with lots of information from many medical doctors and consultants.

Here it is

https://www.dietdoctor.com/

PS. The site has guidelines covering keto, low carb, moderate carb.



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Seems to me that what one chooses to eat is a very personal thing. What works for one, may not work for another. A lot depends on medications and medical conditions, too. My very wise old MIL lived to 93. She always ate and drank anything she wanted, but her portions were always very small. That was her key.

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I wouldn't say pointless...I actually like seeing discussion from opposing views on these threads, as long as it's done civilly.

I think just with things like keto and veganism and such, some people (myself included) have some very strong opinions!



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It's fun! You meet the nicest people on the internet.

“And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” —Genesis 1:30

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This is extremely amusing to me.

Opposite ends of the spectrum digging their heels in.

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It appears we've been trying to have a discussion with a vegan.



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Foxglove999 said - ‘Catsdogspigeons has made up her mind and can't accept that people are different. Discussion is pointless.’

I have found this to be true on other threads as well. Best to let it go.

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emoticon Yep.



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6/26/18 3:22 P

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Here's an article that you probably shouldn't read, because it contradicts everything you're saying:

http://eatwildgreens.com/2017/09/28/4-reasons-a-keto-diet-is-bad-for-your-health/



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Haven't we devolved.

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I think your clogged arteries are making you a little antsy.

“And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” —Genesis 1:30

“Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy.” —Matthew 5:7


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I wasn't talking about opinions. I was talking about bodies. Different people with different bodies do better with different diets. It is not a one size fit all world.

And while there might be a Truth with a capital T, nobody is privy to it, certainly not you. Scientific truths vary, they grow and change.

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Fox, I'm sure you have a point. As I noted before, I'm not expecting any minds to change. I just can't let sloppy "logic" like CDP's 'this vegan thrives, therefore keto is harmful' to stand unchallenged.

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LOL...I have no problem accepting the fact that people have different opinions. Clearly they do. But scientific truth is scientific truth, whether you agree with it or not.

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The vegan keto blog is cleanketoblog.com.

Catsdogspigeons has made up her mind and can't accept that people are different. Discussion is pointless.

Nobody can have it all, you can only have what you love most.


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And many people dramatically improve when they get off the low fat, high carb diet.

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MISSSVJS: It isn't just genetics. There is medical proof. And as I've said, this particular doctor (and many others) have seen their patients health dramatically improve when getting off the meat and dairy. I don't know who Bob Harper is.

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CATSDOGSPIGEONS - And then there's genetics. Lots of people who live a healthy lifestyle (think Bob Harper) have health problems - it isn't all about diet! Maybe this heart surgeon simply has great genetics!



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FOXGLOVE999 - I'm actually really interested in that blog....do you know the name?



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Yeah, I didn't think you could point out any "tangents".

People also thrive on keto and low carb. Using your type of logic, I guess that proves that people can't thrive on higher carb diets.

Or maybe it only says something about those people using those diets. Just like your vegan story only speaks for that man and his diet.





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You can be vegan and keto. There is a blog by a woman doing just that. That's why it isn't relevant.

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You have got to be kidding. Figure it out for yourself. Or don't.

BTW the 103 year old heart surgeon didn't just "survive" on a vegan diet, he's *thriving* on it, and has seen patients reverse their heart conditions by ditching the meat and dairy. That's where it pertains to this discussion.

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emoticon I am calm, just persistent.

I have read all the posts, not seeing your tangents. Please, point out a couple of specifics.



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Just read the posts. And for crying out loud, calm down.

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That someone survived on a vegan diet doesn't say anything about a keto diet.

I'm not seeing the topic swinging from keto, what "tangents" are you talking about?



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It actually has quite a lot to do with the discussion at hand, because his knowledge and experience directly contradicts the "healthy" claims about long-term keto.

Besides which, the subject has already been changed and gone on different tangents several times. :)

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Which, of course, has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Are you trying to change the subject?



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Then there's this guy:

https://metro.co.uk/2015/10/15/101-year-old-heart-surgeon-reveals-vegan-diet-is-secret-to-his-longevity-5439590/

A heart surgeon who didn't retire until he was 95 (!!) - at the writing of this article he was 101 - now he's 103 and still going strong. He says that a vegan diet is the healthiest diet for your heart and overall health. I'm thinking he might know a thing or two!

“And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” —Genesis 1:30

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www.ketovale.com/low-carb-keto-diet-studie
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I think that there is some confusion here. All meat is not keto.

I never understand why some people get all hung up on how we are "supposed" to eat and how people ate a long time ago. Why are those the relevant factors? Isn't how each individual is doing with their diet more important?

Questions like how is your health with this diet vs. that diet. How do you feel with your diet? Do you feel satisfied or deprived? These seem like much more important questions. Even studies are of limited use because I may or may not react similarly to the people in the study.

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Maybe there are other more credible resources out there, but I do not consider one year-long study done almost 100 years ago, with a sample size of 2 whole people, to be the most reliable source.

I'm not saying this to be rude...if I can find more studies in favor of all meat/keto I'd be happy to read them with an open mind. That one just doesn't do it for me.



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Looks like they were looking at them in the late 20th century. Long after their diets had been corrupted by flour, sugar, and the like.



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Um......You do know that the whole thing about the Eskimo diet being healthy has been debunked, don't you?

https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2014/08/fish-oil-and-eskimo-diet-another-medical-myth-debunked


Here's an excerpt from the above link:
... A review of the evidence in those studies, Fodor and his co-authors write, “leads us to the conclusion that Eskimos have a prevalence of [heart disease] similar to non-Eskimo population, they have excessive mortality due to cerebrovascular strokes, their overall mortality is twice as high as that of non-Eskimo populations, and their life expectancy is approximately 10 years shorter than the Danish population.”

Not that I expect any of you to change your minds.

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www.mendosa.com/stefansson1.htm

Not that I expect any of you to change your minds.



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I eat a low carb diet however I don’t aim to be in ketosis.

I think to human body has evolved to handle many types of diets and many different types of eating patterns. Throughout history sometimes we starved. In the cold climates we ate mostly protein and fat during the winter months, more carbohydrates in the summer. In warm climates they ate produce year round. We are resilient.

Studies show fasting can be healthy. There is no way any population had the time to farm, harvest and hand grind the massive amount of grain humans eat these days. No way. There simply isn’t enough time in the day. The calorie return isn’t worth the effort. Some people who have metabolic disease can’t process carbohydrates properly so low carb diets work for them.

Here’s something I know first hand - As an endurance athlete who regularly rides my mountain bike over 100 kms a week, heck sometimes over 75 kms in a day! ‘Carbing up’ is old school. Muscles can only hold so much glycogen, trying to stuff more carbs into an already full muscle will only make you gain fat. Being fat adapted is how you win races.

Keto works for a lot of people. You don't want to eat Keto. The great news is you don’t have to!



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I eat mostly vegetables, fats, meats, some fruit and dark chocolate. Unprocessed and preservative free food. And it's changed my life!

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Ketosis is NOT how the body is supposed to function. It is literally a survival mechanism that our bodies rely on when they are (or think they are) starving.

There are 3 methods of obtaining glucose the body uses beforehand. First, the carbohydrates that we eat are broken down for energy within a few hours. Once those are gone, the glycogen (stored form of carbohydrates) in our muscles and liver is broken down to usable glucose. Once that is depleted, gluconeogenesis (the making of new glucose from non-carb sources: mainly amino acids) begins. After a few days of this, our body realizes it’s in a state of starvation and wants to preserve muscle tissue, so it switches to forming ketones for energy. As a last resort. Do you really think our bodies would have so many methods for providing glucose if it wasn’t their preferred source of energy?

Another thing I’m concerned of is the long-term implications of the keto diet. Yes, it works for weight loss, but at what costs? No one really knows. What we DO know is that high saturated fat intake (typical of keto) has been strongly linked to heart disease, while low fiber intake (no carbs = no fiber) is strongly linked to colon and other GI cancers.


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No population EVER lived in a "constant state of ketosis in perfect health". OMG, please read a history book. I'm sorry if that sounds mean, but I just really can't understand how anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of history or biology can even think such a thing.

Humans thrive on carbohydrates. Carbohydrates (derived from fruits and vegetables) are our best and most efficient source of energy. Yes, our bodies burn stored fats when other energy isn't available; but for our bodies to perform best, we need carbohydrates.

What do top athletes do before major exertion? They "carb up". If fat were such a great energy source, why wouldn't they just drink a liter of olive oil?

Common sense.

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The other thing a lot of pro-ketosis people argue is that it is how our ancestors used to live. I doubt very much that they lived to any where near the age that people have the last 3-400 years, and particularly the last 100 years, so it would be hard to tell the impact that ketosis would have had long-term. It may not have been that healthy.

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This is where I think there is a lot of misunderstanding. The keto diet relies on burning calories from fat that is consumed, not just fat that is stored. And it supposes that transitioning from fat that you eat to fat that you store is easier. I'm not sure that is true, but I'm also not sure that it isn't. Relying only on fat that is stored is starvation. And obviously that will cause weight loss.

It seems unlikely that pre-agricultural people would eat a low carb/high fat/moderate protein diet, because high fat is difficult without processing. Not excessive processing, but more than would be done in hunter/gatherer cultures. Dairy is one of the easiest ways to get a high fat diet, and that's not pre-agriculture.

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Ketosis is a normal state. Many pre-agricultural people lived in an almost constant state of ketosis, in fine health. They didn't suffer from kidney damage or bodies on the verge of collapse from constant physical stress.

It's just how you burn your stored fat. It's a good thing.



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It's a last resort when your body is thrown into ketosis. Ketosis isn't just an extension of weight loss. It's an extreme physical state that puts heavy stress on the body, especially on the kidneys.

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Yes, that's why we store fat, so we have energy available when we aren't eating constantly. It's not a last resort, it's how the body was meant to function.



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Low calorie diets can do that when they are too extreme, but they don't do it anywhere near as effectively at ketosis does. Ketosis is literally what our bodies do when faced with actual starvation. We need energy from somewhere, so our body goes to the energy stored in our fat cells (that's WHY we store fat), and uses that. It's our body going to the last resort to survive.

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It's low calorie diets that make your body think it's starving, because you are literally depriving it of energy. Keto just starts burning your fat for energy.



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That's not what I meant by eating normally. When people do the keto thing, then go back to incorporating carbs (even healthy carbs) in their diet, their bodies often gain all the lost weight back and then some, because throwing their body into ketosis as they've done is a stressful state for your body. Your body thinks it's starving, so when it gets the chance it will latch onto and hold every carbohydrate that it can. This stuff can really mess with your metabolism, and the damage can be permanent.

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It's eating "normally" that got you fat in the first place. Of course you'll gain weight if you eat that way again.

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I personally think the keto thing is dangerous - or at the very least ineffective in the long term. Sure, it works, in that you can lose weight very quickly on it. But once you begin to eat normally again, you'll pile all that weight back on, usually with more added because you've messed with your metabolism. Also, everyone I've ever seen who has lost weight doing keto looks terrible. It ages them and they look unhealthy.

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Has anyone tried the ketosis cookbook before? I have seen a few reviews for it that say its a waste of money and I have found some reviews that say its the best thing ever. simplefitnessproject.com/reviews/ketosis-c
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in this review the use claimed that he lost some significant weight. I would love to hear some opinions because it is a decent amount of money and I would love to know for sure what I am getting into. Thanks

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I am starting it today. I let you know how it goes. I went with Fit2Fat2Fit program since we have a friend who lost 100lbs since Jan 18 doing it. I only want to drop 20 to 30lbs so it should be pretty easy to hit by September. Im not really worrying about the weight number I just want to see my abs. So however much it takes to get there.


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There's not a simple answer when it comes to a keto diet and kidney stones. Review the science behind the diet.

https://robbwolf.com/2011/06/16/clearing-up-kidney-confusion-part-deux/
https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/12iiiy/ketones_and_kidneys_effects/

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Popsecret: Yes-- Keto diet was originally high fat, however, it is the breakdown of fats which yields ketones....(hence the name Keto Diet...). High fats do not "alleviate some of the stress on the kidneys": Ketones from the fats actually cause stress. Excess protein can become a problem when one is prone to gout.... So, both diet conditions are hard on the kidneys...

From the article "Diets A-Z": "When carbs are lacking, there is an incomplete breakdown of fat that produces a by-product called ketones. These ketones accumulate in the blood and in the urine, resulting in a condition called ketosis."
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I agree with LADYSTARWIND, however, the true originally-designed keto diet for epilepsy was high fat (80-85%), moderate protein(10-15%), very low carb (less than 5%), which alleviates some of the stress on the kidneys.

Even without kidney disease, I would talk to your doctor before starting something this extreme. They may want to do bloodwork and monitor your cholesterol and TG levels due to the typically high amount of saturated fat intake on this diet.

Either way, I'd be very interested to hear how it goes if you do decide to try it!



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I also suggest that you read that article AND the comments.

From the article.

"On a ketogenic diet, you avoid all refined carbohydrates, pasta, rice, snack crackers, chips, sugary beverages, candy, cake, cookies and pastries."

Wonderful that carbage is horrible for you!

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"Meals and snacks are composed of meat, fish, poultry, cheese, eggs, nuts, leafy greens, some non-starchy vegetables and lots of oils and fats."

Personally, I always put the non-starchy vegetables at the top of the list because by volume they are what I eat the most of. Eating like that helped me lower my A1C and lose and maintain my weight for almost 9 years. Without being hungry and without counting calories.

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"But in order to maintain the very low carbohydrate intake, many nutrient-rich foods are extremely limited, too, including whole grains, milk, yogurt, fruit, starchy vegetables and legumes such as beans, peas and lentils."

Once you have achieved your goal most of these foods can be added back into your diet although they will never be a major part of your diet while eating low carb.

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Check out my blog posts for some studies and low carb resources.

But in the end if you can't maintain the diet in the term it may not be the best diet for you.



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I suggest that you read this article "Is the Very Low-Carb Keto Diet Right for Me?" It is written by Dietitian Becky.
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One other issue that might not make Keto not a good choice is if you have any history of kidney issues...! It might be worth a lab test with your doctor to verify that all is OK before you commit. Besides Kidney stones, if you have a family history of gout...and you are a female at menopause...you should be aware of that risk as well since gout is most often kidney related. (You can produce too much uric acid from consuming excess purines in protein-based foods...or your kidneys might not clear the uric acid.)

"Ketosis Effects on the Kidneys. Very high levels of ketones make your blood more acidic and overburden your kidneys. "Medical News Today" reports that one of the side effects of a ketogenic diet is the formation of kidney stones." Ketosis & Kidney Failure | LIVESTRONG.COM www.livestrong.com/article/463341-ketosis-
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Otherwise, try it out...!
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Reddit has an active keto forum.

Keto is one of many low carb diets, and low carb diets emphasize reduction in simple carbohydrates, such as sugar, bread, pasta, and potatoes. Research into how protein and fats promote satiety. (Also, search on "simple carbohydrates leptin hunger".)

IMO, Track your meals for the week, then find a low carb diet that matches your lifestyle and food preferences (including what foods you can live without and would like to have more of). Other options are the Mediterranean Diet, paleo, Atkins, carb cycling, 4-hour Body, vegetarian low carb, etc. (Also look up intermittent fasting if you're looking at keto to reduce glucose levels.) They're all similar in that they're low carb. Note that low carb is a general category -- for some, low carb is 20g per day, others 100g or more.

I started with Atkins 20 and it was easy because I could live without simple carbohydrates and fruits for the initial few weeks, and didn't have to track how much fat or protein I was eating. Then I added fruits and nuts to my diet. Might go with Mediterranean or some sort of paleo when I hit my target weight.

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Hi there!

There are lots of folks here who have tried the keto diet - some who love it, some who hated it, and some who found that there were some good parts that they've retained but that it just wasn't a good fit for them as it is. Just like any other generic "diet", it can be done quite healthfully, or you can live on basically junk food, so you need to do your research beforehand and decide whether it is worthwhile for you to try.

I recommend that you check out the low carb and keto teams here on Spark (Team Keto seems to be quite active), and get some personal experiences and advice from the knowledgeable and helpful members on those teams. I would also suggest that you do some research on some of the sites dedicated to keto (such as dietdoctor.com) and with some of the videos you can find on YouTube (especially those by Dr. Jason Fung), to get a better idea of how best to make this experiment as healthfully as possible.

I also recommend that you try out some of the recipes to see if you can find some that you really like that can be your staples as you start out. It is always easier to get in to a major change like that when you've got some choices that you already know that you like!

While you are researching, please make sure that you check out some of the common issues / possible disadvantages of this way of eating, such as the flu-like symptoms possible when just starting out, the need for supplementation (likely magnesium and potassium - along with including more sodium), the possibility of hair loss, and the potential for "fat dumping" if you have had your gallbladder removed.

Also do some considering on whether you will want to include low-carb sweeteners in your way of eating (things like stevia or sugar alcohols), and see if you can try some out in small quantities before investing in larger packages. There are a lot of folks with sensitivities / allergies to stevia and sugar alcohols, so this might turn in to an issue for you.

All told, keto is NOT the best approach for everyone, but it CAN be a great approach for some! There are a lot of folks who have found that it is a comfortable and natural way of eating, and that it has helped with alleviating symptoms and diseases such as chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, Type 2 diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, and others.

Do your research, then decide if you want to give it a try. If you do, then follow it as healthfully as possible for at least a few weeks / months, and then decide if it is working for YOU, if you want to keep some aspects of it but make some tweaks, or if it was an interesting experiment but not something you can live with long term...

Most importantly - remember to have fun with it, since it is NOT healthy to try and follow a way of eating that makes you unhappy.

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