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TIGERSEYEHEART's Photo TIGERSEYEHEART Posts: 4,619
5/28/18 6:13 P

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You're welcome.

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5/27/18 3:53 P

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I'm not at all sure that I would not like to see the U.S. follow suit. Thank you for sharing.

If ever the time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin. -Samuel Adams, revolutionary (27 Sep 1722-1803)

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5/27/18 1:45 P

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People who are saying in this thread and in other threads and places on the SP site that this new GDPR law is a simple, easy-to-follow law are completely misinformed. Here is a short article by The Economist that gives the skinny (excuse the pun...teehee!) on this new law.

www.economist.com/business/2018/04/05/euro
pes-tough-new-data-protection-law


"The GDPR...is arguably the most complex piece of regulations the EU has ever produced."

"A thick print-out includes its 99 articles and 173 preliminary comments."

"Companies that persistently ignore these rules face stiff fines of up to €20 million ($25 million) or 4% of global annual sales, whichever is greater."



Edited by: TIGERSEYEHEART at: 5/27/2018 (13:46)
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5/27/18 12:07 P

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TALLYFL, no one said SP is nonprofit.

Since you're in the US, maybe you're not aware of the problems that these new laws are causing for us EU citizens. It is not just SP who is shutting us out. Here is an article from the 24th about other companies who are shutting us out - refusing all access to them entirely: www.bbc.com/news/technology-44239126

So when I say SP has the power and the right to kick us out, they do. And they still can.

As for you and Pookie being suspicious about SP, that is your view on this. But I do not share your suspicion because I've been a member of SP since I don't remember exactly but at least 2008, and they have done nothing to make me suspicious. Any concerns I've had, they have addressed appropriately. In order to continue using this website, they have made me read and agree to their updated policies, which are available to everyone here:

www.sparkpeople.com/resource/motivation_ar
ticles.asp?id=921


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ticles.asp?id=922


Looks good to me!

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5/27/18 11:00 A

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From what I have seen here in the U.S., the primary requirement to becoming "compliant" is to notify users of exactly how their information is being/may be used. If Spark People is not willing to share that information with it's overseas members, one cannot help but wonder just exactly how our personal and browsing information is being used and sold to make SP a profit?

Whoever said that "free" was the equivalent of non-profit, anyway? And to the member that thinks SP does not generate revenue, rubbish! And the Spark premium was only a "small one-time $20 fee" didn't last but a short time. Now it is offered only as a monthly fee.

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It is horrifying that we have to fight our own government to save the environment. -Ansel Adams, photographer (20 Feb 1902-1984)



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5/27/18 3:42 A

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Minnie, it's one thing to voice disappointment like you are doing. It's another thing to be demanding and abusive. I too was disappointed about the emails not coming. And like I said it sucks that we don't get the app. Of course SP knows the importance of them since they created this feature. My point is that SP doesn't OWE this to us, which is the way some people are coming across in this thread and in other threads. The spirit of SP is a gentle and kind community, and these posts on the topic of the EU laws is far from that with some people.

Anyway, I'm getting the emails now. Thank you SP for finding a fix.

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5/25/18 2:02 P

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I find it quite crazy there has been 2 years to comply to these new rules.

Rules that every teeny, non-profit charity even, across the EU, let alone large companies have had time and made the effort to comply too.

It really comes across as dodgy, and that you cannot/will not comply, perhaps that data IS being passed on to others? We don't want to think the worst, but we are being left to think that.
It's so suspicious... stating small team, expenses... well it's not a small proportion of people suffering, and as I said, there are a lot of a lot more companies smaller and less well off who have managed it fine in the allotted 2 years.


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5/25/18 9:26 A

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I share your disappointment, WHITE-2 and MARUKI52. I’m another one who isn’t a fan of social media, but I make an exception for SP because of the sense of community and support. I know everyone uses the site in different ways so some will be more affected than others. For me, I like to interact in teams and support my friends, comment on blogs etc. So without the emails I feel cut adrift from the community aspect that I love.

I’m not trying to look a gift horse in the mouth here TIGERSEYEHEART, but SP did say it still wants us to continue to feel valued, and it’s hard not to feel like second class minority members just now.

Are any alternative solutions being considered? For example could the EU membership have their notifications via SparkMail instead of Email without violating the data protection rules?

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5/24/18 2:29 P

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The expression "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" comes to mind. SparkPeople is kind enough to continue offering most of their services for free to those of us in the EU. That is wonderful, I think. I am very grateful for that. They did not create these laws or the problems that have required these laws. And they certainly are not obliged to explain their decisions or apologise for their decisions. Yes it sucks that we don't have the app. Just deal with it and appreciate the fact that we get anything at all. Or they might just throw us out completely, which is well within their rights and powers. Or perhaps I'm too old school because I don't live my life with a sense of entitlement. Geesh!

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5/24/18 1:13 P

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That was my point. Ancestry has a revenue stream to tap in order to pay for international compliance which comes from rather large annual subscription fees. To my knowledge, other than ad revenue and a one-off lifetime membership fee of $20 or so, SparkPeople has no income source to pay for extraordinary items like international lawyers and IT pros. Could it come down to being in business on a less global scale or not being in business at all due to bankruptcy?

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5/24/18 10:19 A

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I am well aware that this site is free and has been for a long time. As for Ancestry I have no idea what Ancestry costs in the US and I think that is not relavent to my point. The point I was making is that Ancestry is global as is Spark People but Ancestry has found it is able to comply. Spark People have just said and I quote:

" We want to make sure we're compliant with the new data protection rules rolling out in the EU this week, so we're no longer going to be emailing users who signed up for our emails."

So they want to make sure they are compliant with the new data protection rules and the way to do that is to cut off all the users of this site who live in the EU from having emails from Sparks which keep us abreast of what is going on.

Not everyone wants to sign up to Twitter, Facebook or Pinterest to keep abreast with what is happening on Sparks, not all of us want to be on social media which, as has been seen lately, has it's own privacy issues.





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5/24/18 12:00 A

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...... and Ancestry costs three hundred bucks a year, right? I think what SP is telling you is that they can't afford to comply. The site is free.

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5/23/18 3:43 P

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I've just received this too and am none too happy about it. I really don't see what the problem is at all. If Ancestry.com can cope with the EU changes I sure as eggs is eggs don't see why SparkPeople can't also cope with them. These emails are important to me and help me keep in touch with what is going on and new things of interest. So, it seems to me that this will be just somewhere to input my nutritional values and exercise and nowt else! OR am I mistaken?!

Oh! And I don't want my weight loss ticker added to any messages I put up thank you very much!

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5/23/18 12:36 P

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Thank you coach Jen. So NO EMAILS from SP at all?

I hope some solution will be found because unlike TCANNO I will miss the notifications!



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5/23/18 6:37 A

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Hi Jen,
That may be a good thing as I get over 300 a day lol

Thanks


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5/23/18 6:33 A

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You can still get messages within SparkPeople, but you won't get email notifications from us about new blog posts, posts in threads you're subscribed to, etc. Sorry about that.

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5/23/18 6:27 A

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Yes, I think that we all got one.

The way I see it you can get messages on your SP page and sp mail. These are close and private to the outside world.

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Join the 10 minute exercising challenge and get exercising.

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5/23/18 3:04 A

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Got a mail from SP that says from this week on no emails will be sent to us in Europe?
Does that include notifications of new blog posts that we're subscribed to and new posts on threads that we answered to?
That would be very inconvenient...



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