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8/6/17 1:56 A

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Not sure if you wanted my reply but here goes. I actually just started a semi-VLCD. Probably along the lines of intermittent fasting actually. You seriously have to start with a physical. My doctor is aware and supports my choice.
My calorie range was set between 1200-1550 calories. I will eat within that range most days. The other days I lower my intake. It is important to make the very best choices for those days as your body still needs nutrition. A low calorie day for me looks like this:

Breakfast - 2 or 3 egg whites, 1/2 to 1 cup steamed spinach, and a piece of fruit. I depends on how hungry I am.

Lunch - A big salad with lots of veggies: zucchini, cucumber, tomatoes, carrots and so on. Berries or grapes are good, too. Sometimes I top with chicken or tuna, but I prefer to add beans or lentils and top it with some oil and vinegar.

Dinner - Lean protein : usually fish or chicken breast with 2 vegetables, and brown rice or 1/2 baked potato that I top with salsa.

Snack - Plain Greek yogurt, a small handful of almonds, walnuts or pepitas. I also drink a lot of water every day. I also have a glass or two of low sodium V8.

Depending on what my numbers look like, I may add chia seeds to my yogurt or not use salsa on my potato. I take vitamins each day. This is only about 800 - 900 calories. Getting nutrients is more important than the calorie count. Some other snacks I have on hand are chopped veggies, baby carrots, and air popped popcorn. I usually set up my tracker in advance so I can make the best choices for myself and meet my protein, fiber and other needs. Stay away from sodium and anything processed. If you were given a higher range, make adjustments to raise these numbers. I'm not hungry when I eat like this for a day. I probably would be if I did it more often and that would just not work for me.


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What does a menu for the day looks like for you?



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A lot of great information here. Something I am considering, with a doctor's oversight, to avoid a procedure to lose weight.

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**WARNING** Very long run on sentences!

Hi name is Claire,
I am just coming on here today to discuss Very Low-Calorie Diets (VLCD) and my experience.

I am on a VLCD of 600 calories per day. I am a 28 yrs. old female with a start weight of 256. My height is 5’7”. I started four weeks ago and have lost 24 lbs. (I am 232.4 lbs. now).

I was doing a lot of research about VLCDs for a long time and consulted my doctor (who does have a license in nutrition). My goal is to lose 100 pounds by July of 2017. I decided on a VLCD because I have Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS), so I get my period once or twice a year, facial hair, and I am unable to lose weight. I have tried regular diets with a calorie range of about 15-1800 kcal. I eat pretty well and have been tracking my food for a couple of years now and I stopped drinking soda 2.5 years ago.

Nothing would work so I consulted my doctor about a VLCD. She said it could work and warned me of all the possible setbacks. But after years of eating healthy and changing my lifestyle and still not reaching my goal weight, I had to do something drastic that did not involve surgery.

I also feel that these diets are for obese to morbidly obese people. And I do think they are sustainable for a short period of time. I don’t plan on eating like this forever but it is easy for me (then again I do have a strong will). I haven’t had any cravings, I do have random thoughts of food but I don’t consider them like a desire. I mostly think that diets are a mental game and you literally have to interrogate yourself when you’re about to do something you shouldn’t. I have not felt dizzy or hungry yet. I have so much fat on me that I don’t even think my body knows what I am doing. I do walk for 30 minutes per day and some strength exercises.

How do I plan on keeping off the weight? Well, I plan on eating for my weight that I will be which is 150 lbs. If I did my BMR calculations correctly (weight divided by 2.2 then times 30), my maintenance calories should be around 2000. However, I plan to eat around 1800. From 600 to 1800 I will be having a feast! Oh I do cheat on Saturdays by upping one of my meals by 200 calories so on Saturdays I eat about 800-900 calories, just to get my metabolism moving. I also plan on exercising more but more like walking/hiking and climbing. I don’t like the gym or conventional fitness routines (they are boring).

So if you’re literally carrying the weight of another healthy human being why can’t you go on a VLCD? I always see comments bashing anything under 1500 so I thought I would give my experience with it.

Sorry for the novel I just wrote.

C


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TORIMIETCHEN - a VLCD should ONLY be undertaken when you are being closely monitored by a medical team, including a Doctor and Registered Dietitian - sometimes a Therapist too.

This is to ensure that it is done safely. It is only usually prescribed when there is a medical reason for it as in extreme obesity (rather than just a bit overweight) or other serious health issues.

My Dr and Registered Dietitian talked about this with me, too. The Dietitian was prepared to put me on it using the shakes/medication etc., but I was unable to because either I was on a certain medication which ruled some of the options out, or there was dairy in the shakes, etc. which ruled them out. I am Dairy Food intolerant, and altho' a little bit now and then is o.k., it isn't o.k. on a regular basis. I also had very high Cholesterol levels but very low HDL, and I was borderline pre-diabetic. I have a very strong family history of Diabetes, heart disease and strokes.

My Dietitian ended up putting me on 1400 calories - no range. She knew that altho' I exercised, I didn't do a lot because of fatigue, arthritis of the spine and Scoliosis. On 1400 calories I lost weight gradually. It took 16 months to lose the first 50lb. I since got down to my goal, and in fact a little under, and below what my Dr wanted me at, but gained again and fluctuated a couple k.g either side. THEN I went on holiday to Canada for 3 weeks and gained a lot, which is slowly coming off again. 1400 calories doesn't leave a lot of wriggle room but it is easily doable.

For me it didn't take a big adjustment because I was already eating very healthily, and generally in a healthy range of 1650-1850 calories per day. Unfortunately for me, that was too much and I was still slowly gaining. I ended up a NZ size 20-22. I dropped the calories in small increments because the sudden drop caused light-headedness and nausea, as well as being woken in the middle of the night with severe hunger pain (as opposed to hunger "pang"). Even then, I was still closely monitored by my Dietitian for about 4 years. Initially every couple weeks, then down to monthly. The 18 months was on a 4-6 month basis.

To summarize - only do a VLCD if you have Doctor or Dietitian support to regularly monitor you.

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Hello! I'm starting a medically monitored VLCD next week, and I'm super nervous. I just wanted to bump this thread and see if other people were doing the same thing and what their experiences were like.

My reasons for choosing this method are: I have about a 100 pounds to lose, I have heart health issues in my family, and other weight loss methods have failed for me.

I was considering surgery for a while before finding out that there is a center near where I live that is run by doctors (real doctors, I checked ;) ) and provides an hour of weekly monitoring plus an hour of behavior modification/nutrition instruction, and is in network for me. The meetings are required (you can't just blow them off and do your own thing on the diet) and they run regular ECGs and blood work to make sure you're doing okay on the low calories.

They actually break the program up into a number of smaller parts--the first part is the history and physical, before you start the diet, then they give you a binder with tons of info about the diet, what to expect, how to avoid pitfalls, etc, then they have a nutritionist go over the binder with you in detail, then you start your first four weeks of class and dieting, then you move into the "main phase" of dieting which lasts until you're within about 10 lbs of your goal. You also meet with an exercise physiologist and other specialists throughout the process. You're seen by a doctor once a week, but you have access to them 24/7 (someone is always on call). Once you've completed the diet portion, you're slowly transitioned back to normal food and then you start the maintenance phase, which is recommended for 18-24 months. The food is meal replacements, which can be made as shakes or (in some cases) baked or frozen or refrigerated into various muffins/popsicles/puddings, which to me is better than just slurping something down three times a day. They also give you the option to do two meal replacements a day and one "real food" option of a very specific portion of meat and vegetables.

I'm super nervous but excited, everyone has been very supportive so far. Has anyone else done something similar and had a positive experience? Any tips for the newbie?

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Just wanted to update, I am on day 16! I am feeling great! I am down 24 lbs and I am fitting into pants that didn't fit me a month ago. I am waking up with more and more energy everyday!
I had my first check up with my doctor last Tuesday! They are happy with the progress and my blood pressure has gone down!
Feeling great!
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CSROBERTSON621, glad you did so well. People who have Gastric by-pass surgery are on a VLCD for months after the surgery and they lose the weight because of it. The secret is not going back to eating junk food and regaining the weight. You're right that it needs to be supervised by a physician.



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GEAUXSAMGEAUX16, just writing to give you a little encouragement. I lost most of my weight with a medically-supervised VLCD, and was also morbidly obese when I started.

I can tell you that it does get easier -- the first couple of weeks were (at least for me) the hardest. If you can get through those, it does get a lot easier -- the hunger pangs really dissipate, and in a lot of ways, it became the easiest diet I've ever been on. It does get a little frustrating when you do have a lot of weight to lose, especially on those weeks that the scale doesn't move much (and there will be some of those) - but at least for me, those slow periods didn't last long.

One very good thing was that the diet allowed me to re-build my relationship with food. After eating so very little for so long, vegetables and other healthy foods seemed so much more delicious than I remembered -- that helped when it came time to go into maintenance. I didn't actually start at SparkPeople until I was transitioning to maintenance (only a few pounds left to lose at that point), but since then it has been very helpful maintaining my new body over time, even through a high-risk pregnancy.

I know that some here will try to discourage the VLCD, but for me (and perhaps for you) the alternative was weight loss surgery, after many years of trying to lose weight but only being able to keep it off for a short time before gaining it back and more. Obviously, you already know a VLCD should be supervised, and you're working with your doctor on this --under those conditions a VCLD can work very well! I hope it works as well for you as it has for me. For me it has been life-changing.

Good luck, and keep your eyes on the prize! You can do this! Feel free to message me if you need support along the way.

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Don't know if anyone is still following this topic or not, but I am on day 3 of a medically supervised VLCD program.
I am on 600 calories a day. I am taking supplements from nashua nutrition which I order online and are delivered. I get three shakes a day, 2 soups, or pudding a day, lite entrée, and 2 cups of greens such as spinach.
I was really nervous about this program because of it being so drastic. I go to weekly dr appointments to check my kidney and liver function. I am also meeting with a physiologist and a nutritionist.
I am morbidly obese and ready for a new lifestyle. I have been battling depression since I was in high school.
So far things are going well. I have not woke up starving which i was afraid of and the supplements and meals are some what tasty. I know I am just beginning but if anyone has questions on it let me know.

I would also not recommend having a cheat day. according to my Dr the VLCD puts your body in Ketosis and when you go off of it, it takes your body out of it and that can do more harm then good.


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Just a thank you for your answers everyone.

What is the WW diet?

I am a size 14/16 and usually I am a 10. Given that my family has a history of some heart issues, and it has been the biggest I have been, I have been motivated to lose the weight I need.


I've already noticed some weight loss... clothes are feeling less tight and my belly is going now. It is encouraging. Tonight and last night I ended up going out to dinner, unexpectedly, so my calories these days have been closer to 1200 and I'm none too worried. I have been drinking lots of water, had balanced meals at these occasions and are really feeling like I'm on a good path.

My intention in doing this is to give my body a boost.. kind of like fasting. Working out what my intolerances likely are and letting my body develop a different association with food so that moving forward I will eat lighter and make much better, more informed choices. I now understand the benefit of watching calories.

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Why do you need to be on a VLCD? Is it urgent that you need to lose weight?



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Hello Tori,
Before I joined WW in January 2003 I did as you are doing with regard to your statement.. " I'm averaging about 800 - 900 calories per day and I'm trying to stay around that mark or a bit lower" I did lose weight for a couple of months and then totally plateaued with no further loss. WW had me eating more calories (at least 1200 per day) and I lost 5 pounds the first week and 1 to 2 pounds per week after until I reached my goal weight 11 months later.

I faithfully tracked every morsel I ate here at sparkpeople for 9 years after I joined this wonderful 'site in August of 2004. Staying engaged here has kept my curiousity for nutrition and exercise research a nearly daily routine. IMHO it is the best idea to create a lifestyle that you can be happy with for a lifetime. There are times I have done the Duke University very sparse eating plan for a single day just to reboot my appetite but I never take a cheat day as it is counter to creating a lifestyle. A healthy lifestyle for me does include chocolate and treats from time to time. I agree with Hilton's philosophy that Shangra la means all things in moderation.
The eating suggestions of Dr. Joel Fuhrmann are working very well for me and definitely include seeds, nuts, and berries...fruit.

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The website advocates eating 1200 calories minimum, and going less only with medical supervision.

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Hello everyone :)

My name is Tori and I've just begun a VLCD system for myself, and am looking to stay inspired with any suggestions for very low calorie snacks that keep you full and easy, very low carb meals (lunch or dinner) and any other suggestions by anyone who has done this.

Two things:

My VLCD:

1 - My system is a bit of a mish mosh - I am currently using slimright shakes (chocolate, 35gm sachets) with 250mls of soy milk (dairy aggravates my skin in huge doses)
2 - I have optislim soups and meals for either lunch or dinner, but I rotate - sometimes a shake is for dinner and the soup or meal for lunch.
3 - I drink one sugarless coffee every morning with a bit of soy milk to get me going
4 - I have completely eliminated sugar from my diet.
5 - My snacks are fruit, nuts, dried apple, a little jelly, energy bites (apricot covered in coconut, allowing myself between 1 and 4 balls)
6 - I drink water all day long. To keep myself full, I drink herbal tea after my evening snack before bed and maybe one throughout the day.

I am going to allow myself one cheat day, not to go crazy, but to eat at least one "naughty" meal (takeaway, lollies, what have you) but again, not overdoing it!

I have also eliminated gluten from my diet as much as possible as it has previously given me bother and I do believe it aggravates my stomach in the long term and assists with weight gain, too.


My reasons for weight loss are:

I've always been a more naturally slender person but put on several kilos (about ten to twelve) last year while taking antidepressants and also not watching what I was eating plus way too much soft drink being consumed throughout the week.

The VLCD, in slowly edging my way into it over the last few days, has really opened my eyes to just how much I was eating, per serve, and how much sugar I have been having. As an example, I was having a Coke can every day (pretty much) and a small can of V (most days) and two coffees (most days). At the moment, I'm averaging about 800 - 900 calories per day and I'm trying to stay around that mark or a bit lower. The elimination of soda and sugar will be a huge help I think.

My intention with the diet, as I haven't partaken in one before, is to give my body a boost in shifting the weight, as I do plan on returning to the gym this week to slowly work that into my approach.


Some other questions I have are:

Is it okay to graze on seeds and fruit throughout the day if needed, or will this negatively impact the VLCD? I have read otherwise, for similar diets, that allow for greens, fruit and seeds to be enjoyed as often as you like, along with water.


Any suggestions based on what I've mentioned.


My family has a history of heart attacks and as I am turning thirty next month I am feeling like it's time to take control of my health in a more long-lasting way. I don't plan to be doing this for twelve weeks, as an example, I would be happy to do until I drop five kilos or the ten if it's in that time.


Also wondering what luck people have had... have read and heard incredible and quick results.

I can clearly see the benefit to this way of doing things, even if I am getting hungry and my body is still adjusting. Eating a lot lighter, upping the water intake to flush everything out, cutting down the meal size, snacking smart.... I would like to maintain this when I finally phase off of it, so any tips are welcome. I would like to go back to 1200 a day, but all whole food/clean and maintain a sugar free, gluten free lifestyle (90% - cheat days will be more relaxed) but would like to never touch soda again if possible.


Thanks everyone!




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