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3/28/20 11:18 P

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I'm a senior now but I remember times when I was just starting out not having money and going hungry. I had to decide between things like groceries or electric. I remember crying because I didn't have money to buy fuel oil in winter.

After those times I've always "stocked up" I never let my pantry get to where it was groceries or paying for a bill again. If there was a sale or bargain I would buy multiples. I have a small cube freezer in addition to the one in my refrigerator so I would make home made soups and have it in the freezer.

I have also gotten used to the idea of "shopping online" and "ordering groceries".

That being said I am extremely high risk (even in normal flu season) I'm 63 and I have a very low immunity level and lung damage from when I had pneumonia before and it went misdiagnosed for 3 months causing damage to my lungs. My doctor at John Hopkins told me if I ever had a severe case of the flu it would be life or death and I'd certainly be in the hospital. So every year since then during flu season I have always taken precautions going out and wore a mask and gloves if I had to go out to prevent getting sick. So I've already been sort of self-isolating since January.

I have to say it has prepared me for this virus. I just know that if I go out an catch this virus I'll be one of the statistics. I have no defense to fight it off.

My groceries are delivered and left on my porch but I do have supplies at hand. I haven't left my house but to see my doctor since the beginning of March where he gave me a pneumonia booster shot and told warned me then to stay home and don't go out to ANY stores! He said this virus was going to hit here and spread like wildfire.... he knew before we got the first case.

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3/28/20 8:52 P



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My (very little) dairy just down the road is taking orders for very basic groceries/fruit/veggies, and delivering them. I am addicted to bananas, eating about 3kg every week, so I have just ordered some. It is the only thing that I would *need* during our lock-down. emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon

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I have enough non perishables for two weeks. Just in case we are quarantined. I grew up eating out of a box or can. I will be just fine.

I hope that the people buying seven packages of toilet paper were buying for family. I doubt it, but I will give them the benefit of the doubt

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I don't hoard groceries and never have. However having said that, I have ALWAYS had a very good stock of food on hand. Case in point - I have enough for 3 months without having to shop, except I won't have access to raw fruit/veggies for the 3 months.

The reason for this is that I have ALWAYS prepared for a rainy day, whether it be not being able to get out re flooding; or an emergency eating into my grocery money. I have always bought more than I need right now when food is on special, but only IF I can afford to purchase the extra. If it is fresh food such as meat/veggies, I bulk cook and freeze in single serve containers. I do not buy stuff I don't use, or hardly ever use. I do NOT buy food that will expire before I can even get a look at it, and I always rotate stuff, such as my UHT Soy Milk, Granola, Tea Bags, etc. Buying this way helps with finances considerably because often you aren't paying pull price for it. My grocery list is mostly specials.

It has definitely panned out at the moment because we are just finishing Day 2 of a 28 day (minimum) lock-down. We CAN go out to the supermarket, however because I am in the 'more at risk' group re Asthma, I have chosen to not go.

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3/19/20 6:04 A

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I initially saw this thread yesterday and have been thinking about it. I think @MICHELLEXXXX and @GABY1948 gave a full definition of hoarding. Not wanting to throw things away and fear of lack accurately sums up hoarding. I think you are also not thinking of anyone but yourself; there is an element of greed.

I personally am aware that if this mess keeps going, I have limited freezer space, It is already packed full. I have enough to go for a bit but we shall see.

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3/18/20 11:32 P

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@URBANREDNEK cheap people unite, said the tightwad!

Everyone, thank you for answering. Thank you for your insight. I hope I made some folx think.

I’m taking advantage and eating down my freezer, something I've been a tad resistant about this year. Since I share the freezer drawer on the bottom of the fridge with two people, my section is small. And I’ve needed to clear and restart.
If only the other nutrition aware person and I liked the same flavors at similar rates! It would make stocking the freezer simpler.
Luckily third person only puts frozen pizza in there. Third is the only person who gets meat, too.

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3/18/20 10:16 P

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Preparing involves logical planning and usually gradually moves from short term to long term. Hoarding comes more from a scarcity mindset and is more of a reactionary move if you don't have a plan in place. I would say preppers purchase with an idea of average use and hoarders purchase without an idea of average use and plan to figure it out later because they might need it. So an 80 roll case of toilet paper would be a 40 week supply for a prepper who uses two rolls a week in the household, but a hoarder would see the last two cases and get both because they don't know how much they use so they might run out. I would also say that someone who is prepared has an organizational system in place so that they know what they have where, while a hoarder might go to put away those two new cases of toilet paper and find that they already had a hundred rolls stashed away in two spots.

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3/18/20 9:29 P

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The motivation behind the action will determine the outcome. Is your action motivated by love or fear? If it is love and appreciation for life and your family's welfare, it is "preparing". If it is fear of lack, it is "hoarding". JMO. If it's more than I need, and someone else could benefit from it, I try to give it away.

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3/18/20 9:02 P

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When is preparing hoarding?

Hum, I agree with the posters so far, some of us just like to be prepared even in normal functioning times! What that looks like is different for everyone and their family's needs.

I usually have enough meats, frozen fruits, cheeses and nuts in the freezer for up to 6-9 months. Of course that could go longer depending upon how and what we eat. We have 2 cats and they eat 1 small can of wet food supplemented by a dry brand. They are Savannah Bengal Cats and just passed a year old so we keep 6-9 month supply of their food on hand which is reasonable. Both my husband and I work in the Medical Field and sometimes one or both of us have longer hours so we don't want to spend time shopping or dealing with errands when we are off.

Now, I keep paper goods on hand like Disinfecting Wipes, Toilet paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels etc on hand because my Mom needs these products because she deals with symptoms of Parkinsons Disease. I keep about 6 months supply on hand because she goes through Kleenex like mad. I was low about a month ago so I bought multi-packs at Costco and Wal-Mart. I spaced it out so I didn't monopolize one store or hoard. I also keep Alcohol and Aloe Vera on hand, which right now can be used for hand sanitizer preparation. Also, I keep close to a year's supply of body wash, hand soap and razors on hand so I don't have to bother with much more than fresh and vegetarian food when I have to grocery shop.

I buy large cans of my coffee (1-2 cans) bigger bags of sugar and spices also so I don't have to keep getting Garlic, Parsley, Basil, Oregano etc. I also get white and brown rice for about 6-9 months of a supply. Popcorn, Grits, Pastas and some other supplies but when the state of emergency came down last Friday I was set. I didn't even blink.



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I used to be a hoarder (didn't want to throw anything away....but not anymore since I'm older!

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3/18/20 5:47 P

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This is a really good question - thanks for making me sit back and think about it!

I suspect that each of us is going to have a very different perspective / answer for you.

Personally, I think that it turns in to "hoarding" when the purchases are of items that are not ordinarily used, are of a quantity that can not be used before expiring, are an expenditure beyond what reasonably fits in to the budget, and when the intent is not for personal / family use. Bulk purchases when there is a limited supply also make me FEEL like they are "hoarding" - but logic says that I need to see more of the details before making an emotional judgment on that (including whether it is an actual "shortage" of that item, or whether it is a matter of a timing where demand temporarily exceeded supply).

I'm sure lots of folks look at my shopping cart during regular weeks and think that either I have a large family (there are just the 2 of us here) or that I am a hoarder or prepper. My cart will have a week worth of fresh produce and dairy, but will be loaded with whatever is on for a really good sale price that week. I am fortunate enough to have the funds to buy large bulk quantities when they are on for deep sale prices (enough for 6 months to a year or more, depending on the "on sale" cycle of the item), and use them until the next sale comes up. This saves me a lot of money in the long run because I can afford the bulk purchase, and have the space / appliances to store them. It is also important for me since health issues that make frequent shopping difficult to impossible have been something that I have had to intermittently deal with in recent years.

I buy beef by the cow, pork by the pig, and other meat when it is on sale, as well as having meat / fish from wild harvest (we share with family). I buy tons of fresh local vegetables and fruits when they are in season and cheapest, and either can or freeze them. I buy local whole grains in bulk, and grind them myself as needed. I buy bulk nuts when they are in season and freeze them whole. I have made yogurt from dried milk powder and I keep a good supply of that on hand (6-12 months worth, based on my typical usage for baking / cooking, depending on where we are in the sale cycle), and I keep a few months worth of packaged egg whites in the freezer. Paper products, cleaners, personal products, etc are all bought in bulk when on sale, and I never have less than 6 months worth at home (and often 18 months worth). I grow my own fresh herbs, and have at least enough dried spices for a year or more (some kept out for use, the rest frozen whole or, if ground, in a bit of oil). I also bulk purchase canned goods (tomatoes and tomato paste, a couple of soups, no-sodium beans and chickpeas, salmon, tea), lentils, a few prepared sauces (hoisin, oyster sauce, blackstrap molasses, barbecue sauce), and - of course - whole coffee beans --- all on the 6-12 month sale cycle.

We have only just adopted a pet cat, so I'm not too deeply in to "hoarding" for him yet --- but the sale on his food and litter happened to be a couple of weeks after we got him, so I kind of accidentally ended up "hoarding" for him with about 8 months worth.

While I do enjoy some fresh fruits and vegetables most weeks, and much prefer fresh eggs and dairy, I always have enough to "make do" for at least a few months without NEEDING to shop. I am very careful to cycle through everything (it is all clearly dated and stored to be grabbed in order), and have had very few things ever go bad on me (only things that one of us developed a sensitivity to before using it all up - and it always seems to be something none of our family wants).

Honestly, I don't think I would describe myself as "hoarding" - or even necessarily "being prepared". If I were to be politically correct, I'd say I was "being frugal" (but there are less correct and more accurate words for it emoticon ).

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3/18/20 2:36 P

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In light of buying patterns recently, I've been wondering where others see the lines between being prepared and hoarding food and supplies.

What’s your definition of prepared?
What’s your definition of hoarding? (Not the disorder)

I joke that I hoard spices, because with restraint I could squeak through a (rather dull) year on my spices.

My LDS friends seem to aim at a year.
The self identified peppers I interact with online, tend look at 2-5 years.

Aside from spices, my dry goods are about a month, maybe two, typically. Fresh, I’m used to stopping in once/twice a week. I only buy some things as specifically needed, like dairy. I’m 80 percent plant based. Dairy and honey are my exception.

I think of my self as adequately stocked. Not “well” and certainly not hoarding. Not stockpiling, either.

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