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1/26/19 7:16 P

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I forgot to mention that I have hyper hydrosis. I was so nervous that on the day of the mammogram I had giant smelly sweat rings.



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The first week of January I had to have a mammogram. When you have a mammogram you cannot wear deodorant or lotion or anything that can mess up your results.

Thankfully it was first thing in the morning so I could go home and clean up. Then put on some deodorant . Some people have their test later in the day.

I would hate to have to go all day without deodorant



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1/26/19 4:17 P



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"I just don't understand ppl with body odor! Don't they even wash?!"

Perhaps the person LACOTYA thought was judging her was a homeless person trying to use the bathroom to clean themselves up.

Great posts, Danny and Kris !

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1/26/19 10:00 A

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That's true! And maybe that was the case, maybe he just doesn't like showering and he thinks deodorant is overrated . But you don't really know that so that's why we shouldn't judge others based on things like that. It's ok lol there's no need to apologize emoticon None of us is perfect. We all judge other people sometimes, it's human nature, but it's important to realize when we're being judgemental and try to avoid it.. emoticon

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1/26/19 9:47 A

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Sori, Danny & anyone I may have offended. Is it true that some ppl have medical conditions that cause strong bo? It's true some ppl have bad hygeine tho......just saying......

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Elaine emoticon I'm really trying to defend you and you come and say things like these... Omg 😂😂 whyyy?!?!?

Yea... Even small hormonal changes can cause a very strong body odor in some men... So assuming someone isn't clean just because they have a bad smell definitely counts as being judgemental...

Pelos, lol 😂 well, OP did say she doesn't want anyone "disturbing her cleaning" so that might be true. Some janitors can be really rude when you "disturb their cleaning". Respect has to go both ways...

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1/26/19 7:29 A

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Well said, Kris.

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1/26/19 3:49 A



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How do you know that they were judging you, let alone judging you for the work you do? But then, just as you complain about them not having the right to judge you, you in turn judge them. There is an expression .... Pot calling the kettle black. It applies here.

@CSROBERTSON621 I have worked as a
Clothing Machinist
Sales Assistant
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as well as office jobs including for Accountants.

I can honestly say I have NEVER been looked down on nor treated with disrespect for whatever work I was doing and in most of my jobs I was dealing with a lot of the public.

Elaine and LACOYTA - some people smell regardless of what they do. My own late husband had a period of time when he suffered from it. I remember on one occasion his boss brought him home because of it and was actually quite nasty to him about it. He was working for a Removal Company (for those moving house.) One client kept giving hubby a dirty look and his co-workers were being really rude too. He was mortified and actually cried because he was extremely hurt, especially given that he was a particularly clean person. He had a serious health condition which was causing it, but at the time we didn't know he had that condition.

As a former First Responder we were taught to pay attention to various smells, including body odor. They can indicate some serious health issues. Here are a some examples:

* Diabetes. Diabetes patients often experience additional medical complications, including a sudden change in smell or body odor.
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* Thyroid. Thyroid glands cause our body to sweat.

* Kidney and liver dysfunction. The kidneys and liver help remove toxins from our system.

* Genetic Disorders

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I know a couple people who have been treated with botox injections into some sweat glands to reduce the problem.

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1/26/19 2:05 A

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I just don't understand ppl with body odor! Don't they even wash?!

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1/24/19 9:17 P

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emoticon Frankly, stating that someone has body odor is not judgemental it is a descriptive statement. You can agree or disagree, but that does not make it judgemental.



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1/24/19 6:49 A

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@ELPELOS Your post made me chuckle!!! You could be right!

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1/23/19 6:01 P

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lmao. and to think that somewhere out there, there's a man posting a thread like
'this grungy looking janitor was glaring at me. totally judging me because of my body odor. she even left as soon as I walked in'
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1/23/19 2:24 P

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Not for nothin' my husband is the school groundskeeper and we changed his ID badge to Willy, and now we wait. I think its the bees knees lol. IF these people were being judgy, eff 'em. Haters gonna hate. You're doing an honest day's work.

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1/10/19 9:31 A



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Everyone has brought up some excellent points.

I'll piggy back Patti's. Did you greet the people with a hello, how are you ? Is there anything I can do to help ? If you didn't say anything, ignored them and just kept cleaning, it could be they thought you were judging them. You said that these people must be judging you, but did you think that they thought you were judging them ?

If you didn't give a greeting and maybe gave them a "look" when you saw them, they would have responded in kind to an unpleasant facial expression from you.
Patti is right. this would have been easily resolved with a pleasant greeting.

Like MLAN, I work for a large company and I know the cleaning staff works hard. Why ? because my co-workers are a bunch of slobs who drop paper towels all over the bathroom floors ! LOLLLL

Here's my story. There was one woman, I never knew who it was. but she always left her used paper towels on the shelf in the bathroom. She never tossed them into the garbage. The shelf is not a garbage bin. The bin was less than 5 feet from where she tossed them. And yet, there they were as you walked out the door. Who is that lazy or that inconsiderate to other women who use the bathroom ?

No joke. Some people are not good at picking up after themselves at work. So I know the cleaning staff is always busy.

LACOTYA, it's time to put yourself in their shoes. What do you think they saw when they walked into the bathroom while you were still cleaning ? How did you greet them ?



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1/10/19 6:44 A

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I, too, encourage you, LACOYTA, to stop the judgement. Maybe next time ask if they need help.

On a personal note, I work for a large healthcare company. Our maintenance staff is one of the hardest working teams. I never judge them for the type of work they do, After all, they are cleaning up after me!!! They clean the toilets and sinks, restock to toilet paper and paper towels. They vacuum and dust. I always thank them for their hard work.

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1/9/19 10:17 P

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Ditto MandieTerrier...you never know anything about a person from their looks...and unless they say it specifically, you certainly don't *know* that they are judging you!

My funny out of character person story: Picture a short, older, heavier set logger sort of guy...coveralls, with a comfortable red plaid flannel shirt. He walks up from a dock where they park float planes in Canada, having just gotten out of a Grumman Goose (antique, big, $$$$) and into the Pilots lounge to wait out the bad weather. Sitting inside are some young Corporate Pilots---you can tell them because they have Uniforms on-- white shirts, nice ties, epilauts, nice caps sitting beside them. One on them audibly quips to his peers: "Since when did they let Loggers fly a Grumman Goose?!" Our "logger" stops, leans over and whispers audibly: "When the "S__ of a __tch" owns it, he gets to fly it!!" In his city life---he ran a multimillion dollar corporation making metal parts for Boeing and some other Big Name companies. And-He was one of the nicest, most genuine people I ever had the pleasure of knowing!!

Lacoyta…. my guess is that the people you deal with are pre-occupied with their own problems instead of your work. Ask them how their day is going...and you might be surprised.

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1/9/19 5:48 P

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One of the funniest stories I have.

I was working in a clothing store. The owner looked very much unkempt. His tie didn't cover his belly and was stained with food.

Yet he was the owner of a million dollar retail corporation. Several different stores and clothing brands. From teen stores to plus sized. He also had a pinterest worthy home.

Just some food for thought



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1/9/19 4:38 P

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I have worked retail and other forms of Customer Service.

I have always felt that if someone felt the need to judge me. It said way more about them than it ever did about me.

So I wouldn't let their bad attitude effect me. I just let it roll off me. Like water off a ducks back. Although it did give me a lot of stories



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1/9/19 4:34 P

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Yes their are lots of people who are currently out of work because of the shutdown.

The museum's are shut tight. So the food service people. The people who work in the gift shops. The food truck operators who rely on all the tourists and government workers.

Every day on the news there is a new story.



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1/9/19 3:38 P

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Everyone should always remember everyone’s job is important. Who would do it if nobody did?! Would we want to live without it?!



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1/9/19 1:57 P

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"However, why is it okay for YOU to judge the grungy looking couple or the person with body odor ?"

I was merely to describing them. They weren't the well heeled people one typically imagines judging "the help" (not that that's okay for the wealthy to do). Surprisingly not many well heeled people judge me at work.

"After rereading your post. I've decided that what you'd really prefer is that only women who have instagram perfect bodies and looks can use the bathroom you clean. I guess anyone who looks grungy or has body odor can go elsewhere."

Nah, I don't want anyone disturbing my cleaning. Even the beautiful people.

"Ps. There are a bunch of janitors out of work in DC because the government is shut down. I am sure they would love to be working and be judged. I mentioned that because of perspective."

I didn't know even the cleaners weren't working!

"It seems pretty obvious that she felt looked down upon - and anyone who has ever worked in a service job (including retail, food service/waitstaff, etc) has likely experienced disrespect in some form. (I’m a lawyer now, but have worked retial and waited tables - some people DO treat you as if you’re garbage!) And yes, showing obvious impatience when someone is busy doing a (very necessary!) job is a form of disrespect. "

Thank you. I'd have had no problem if they politely asked "is there another bathroom?" or "are you going to be much longer?"


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1/9/19 1:39 P

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Y’all are being a bit harsh on the original poster, I think.

It seems pretty obvious that she felt looked down upon - and anyone who has ever worked in a service job (including retail, food service/waitstaff, etc) has likely experienced disrespect in some form. (I’m a lawyer now, but have worked retial and waited tables - some people DO treat you as if you’re garbage!) And yes, showing obvious impatience when someone is busy doing a (very necessary!) job is a form of disrespect.

It’s a natural response to that kind of disrespect to find something to judge about the person judging you. No, it’s not very nice - but it’s a very human defense mechanism.

Their underlying advice, though, is correct. It’s ultimately only hurting yourself to let the behavior of others get in your head like this. You ARE doing important work - often not appreciated, but that makes everyone’s lives safer, cleaner, and more pleasant. You’re supporting yourself - and perhaps a family too - with the work you do. You pay tax on the money you earn (and spend) that contributes to everyone’s benefit. You are a contributing member of society, and deserve to be treated accordingly. (I’m sure you’re also many other things that have nothing to do with your job!)

Be proud of who you are and what you do. And don’t give anyone permission to make you feel small, or drag you down to their level.

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1/9/19 1:37 P



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I love Groundskeeper Willie too !



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LACOTYA,

You once asked me how a person with no college degree could improve their job situation and I have this example.

Let's take that person working behind the register at a McDonalds. How can they achieve anything ? By working hard and moving up the corporate ladder. They might start as someone who asks,"do you want fries with that?" but then they are promoted to lead sales person. working hard, they then are promoted to supervising the employees who ring register. If they do a good job as supervisor, they can be promoted to assistant manager and eventually, if they work really hard, McDonalds manager. after managing a location, you could end up as a district manager who manages several McDonalds locations.

Which has always been my point. Maybe you're "just" a cleaner now, but you can move up the ladder with hard work. a cleaner can be a supervisor, a supervisor can be a manager, a manager can be a facilities coordinator, a facilities coordinator can be a facilities manager, a facilities manager can be a facilities director.

You go to night school and earn a degree if there is a career you'd rather have.






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What are you talking about? Groundskeeper Willie was a funny tough guy lol I don't remember anyone looking down on him... but I might be wrong lol.

I think it's all in your mind, I mean... of course, there are rude and entitled people everywhere but thankfully, the great majority of people aren't like that. You don't even know what those people were really thinking... yea, maybe they wanted to use the restroom really bad and they thought you were taking too long or whatever and that might be the reason they looked upset. Or maybe that's just what their face looks like! I mean, you can't really know for sure. What we know for sure is that you were very quick to judge them "bad body odor", "down and out looking". You need to stop hating everyone and stop assuming everyone hates you... they don't...

If you really hate your job that much you really need to ditch the excuses and get a new one... And yea, I know you say you don't have any other opportunities because you don't have a college degree but you know that's a lie. I mean, seriously... most jobs don't even require a college degree. Actually, that's something I find very interesting about the US... there are lots of very successful people out there who don't have a college education. I think that's pretty cool. There are plenty of opportunities out there...

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If I've said it once. I've said it a million times

Stop. Caring. About. What. Others. Think!

They don't pay your bills. Better to have an honest job. Than not.

Ps. There are a bunch of janitors out of work in DC because the government is shut down. I am sure they would love to be working and be judged. I mentioned that because of perspective.

Then unless you can read minds. You really have no idea what those two were thinking.



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It is NOT okay for you or anyone else to be judged for working as a cleaner or any other profession.

However, why is it okay for YOU to judge the grungy looking couple or the person with body odor ? These people weren't bothering you. Why pick on them ? They may have been annoyed that they couldn't use the bathroom until you had finished cleaning.

Don't we all get a little antsy when we have to really "go" ?

You made some pretty rude assumptions based on their looks and odor. You're assuming those people were looking down on you just because you're only a cleaner. They didn't even notice you. they just wanted you to finish cleaning so they could use the bathroom.

After rereading your post. I've decided that what you'd really prefer is that only women who have instagram perfect bodies and looks can use the bathroom you clean. I guess anyone who looks grungy or has body odor can go elsewhere.

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I'm a cleaner and I was doing my job in the bathroom and this grungy looking couple was glaring at me, totally judging me because of my job. I didn't want to deal with it so I left. The man totally had body odor! If you stink, you have no right to judge others. Those two didn't even look clean!
Sadly, earlier another down and out looking person was treating me the same way. Incidentally, these people seem to love splashing water all over the sink. I never do that when I wash my hands so I think this weird. When I was a kid my mom taught us to find another bathroom if a janitor was nearby.
If you have a habit of judging janitors, please stop. We're working hard. It's not fun and if we had other opportunities, we'd take them. I know it's easy to look down at us because of how the media portrays janitors (exhibit A :Groundskeeper Willie on The Simpsons), but can we just be more tolerant of people who don't have glamorous lifestyles? People say we should encourage kids not to be bullies, but I like adults need to check their own behavior so kids can learn by a better example.
I may have sounded a litting yammering on here, but I hope I got my point across.


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