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7/6/18 4:43 P

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I agree it's not an all or nothing world. For the most part some people make it an all or nothing world.

And yet there are militant factions on both sides. Of the argument.

I watch a lot of You Tube. So I see a lot more of this behavior

Social media has made it easy to hide behind a computer and comment on every aspect of every people's lives. We sort of invited them to do it. Then sort of didn't.

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7/6/18 1:57 P

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It seems like so many groups are going 'tribal' with the way they look at things.
This is not an all or nothing world. If a person identifies with the Body Acceptance movement they still have the right to change. They own it, their responsible for it, and they can change the way they take care of it.



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7/6/18 12:31 P



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Mandie,

I didn't recognize the name, Rosie Mercado. But I recognized the model when I saw her.

I believe the Body Acceptance movement started out as a great idea. Unfortunately, like other movements that started out with good intentions, it's message has become distorted. And like other movements, a small militarized faction of the group has become highly vocal with its criticisms.

They accused Rosie of not being loyal to the cause because she decided to have WLS to lose the weight. If you're not one of us, you're one of them and we don't want anything to do with you. The people making these accusations are in denial about their weight. Losing the weight isn't about being a size 0 or 2. It's about being a healthy weight that lowers your risk for medical problems.

So, no I'm not surprized there are people who accused Rosie or Tess of being traitors. Some people are genuinely crazy and shouldn't be allowed on the internet.

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7/5/18 2:00 P

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@SLIMMERKIWI I'm glad that guy got kicked out of the class. That sort of behavior in the opposite direction. Scares me. That is just. I'm sorry he treated you that way.



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7/5/18 1:56 P

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I can understand why Tess would be worried about her fans taking her healthy eating the wrong way.

After all Rosie Mercado, another model. Lost 240 lbs and she received death threats. Not kidding. My tablet is acting up and won't post articles.

There are good points about the body positivity movement. After all we won't all look like Victoria Secret models (without surgery) Some of them had surgery to, I'm sure.

If you want to see the dark underbelly of the body positivity movement. Go to Reddit or Tumblr.

There is a contingent of the body positive movement that believes. If you are doing anything healthy for yourself. Then you are fat shaming me.





Edited by: MANDIETERRIER1 at: 7/5/2018 (13:57)

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7/4/18 2:19 P

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Well, to start with, I think that there is some confusion between the author of the article (Ashley C. Ford --- whose feature under "Ashley and Kelly" in this other article is cited as the "reason" for her interview with Tess Holliday: www.manrepeller.com/2017/06/dating-a-frien
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) and the subject of this particular interview / article (Tess Holliday - pictured throughout the article).

In my mind it is important to separate the two, because what they do is very different, and so what is "the business" of the public is also very different.

The author of the article is a professional writer who was featured in an article that had nothing to do with health / size / weight (it was about couples who were friends first) and who received unsolicited comments on her appearance when she posted the pics from that article on her Instagram account. Frankly, HER health / size / weight is not the business of anyone other than herself and her doctor --- unless it has an impact on her ability to do her job (in which case, it is also the business of her employer).

The subject of the article, Tess Holliday, on the other hand, is a professional model and blogger who makes her living off of her appearance and the publicizing of her lifestyle choices. HER health and especially her attitude towards maintaining or improving her health absolutely IS the "business" of those who are watching / following her, since that is the main reason why they are there. A model of any size (or a professional of any sort) who publicizes making deliberately unhealthy choices as a positive thing should be criticized for the sheer stupidity of it, and then ignored so that they no longer profit from it.

That is NOT about "self love" or "body positivity" --- it is about self abuse for the purpose of monetary gain and the approval of the portion of society who places a high value on that particular appearance. It really doesn't matter whether it is a "standard" model who lives on coffee and cocaine to maintain their size 0, or a "plus sized" model who opts to eat more cheetos and less carrots and not exercise to maintain their size 22 --- they each are choosing to subject themselves to high risk of disease and early death for the sake of their "image".

While I frankly couldn't care less what an independent adult chooses to do, the fact that they are publicizing and glamorizing their unhealthy choices for profit makes their health and their choices absolutely the "business" of the public who pays them.

Sir Terry Pratchett:

"Science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. It is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good."


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7/4/18 9:36 A

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Nosy busybodies tend to give unsolicited advice across all walks of life. Where weight is concerned I think people tend to accept and internalize it rather than blowing it off. From that standpoint I agree with the refusal to engage with people who don't get a vote in how to run your life. People looking to provoke a certain reaction will keep poking so long as they are getting the reaction that they want and engagement is part of that. At other times and in other cultures a certain amount of peer pressure might make a positive impact, but in the here and now in America I would say that it's not really doing anything to help the situation.

We talk about how losing weight doesn't magically fix anything besides the number on the scale, and from that standpoint I think that body positivity is a good thing. It starts to address the other issues before or as you are losing rather than being the brick wall that you hit when you are at goal weight and nothing else has changed in your life. Is it a perfect reaction to the status quo? No, but I haven't really seen a better option out there right now.

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Tess does bring up a good point,"Because of my size (a US 18), even when someone sees me standing next to the love of my life, smiling, full of joy and excitement, all they see is the size of my stomach. Because of my weight, they don’t see my happiness."

This is true. Many people assume that if you're morbidly obese, you must be miserable. Isn't the assumption that all overweight people really want to be thin ?
Overweight people can't be happy. Only thin people are happy.

This is where I agree with Tess. I've known plenty of thin people who outwardly would be called really put together. But you know what ? They're unhappy. They just put up a good show because everyone they know thinks they should be happy.

I will say this, my thoughts on the whole body acceptance movement are mixed. From my own personal experience at having once been a size 18 and morbidly obese that that weight was not healthy.

However, I do like Tess's self esteem. My personal opinion is that I don't think she should lose the weight to be accepted by society. None of us should do that. But I do believe she should lose the weight because carrying around that extra weight isn't healthy. And having been a size 18, carrying around that weight was a burden. I just didn't realize it. I had been overweight for so long, I didn't know how normal felt. I thought being a size 16-18 was normal.

Well, my issue with the body acceptance movement is that some people may use it as a reason not to lose. Tess is size 18 and loves herself. Which is absolutely fantastic. But the fact is, eating cheetoes is not healthy. Even a thin person who eats too much saturated fat is at risk for clogged arteries. You can be thin and unhealthy every bit as much as being overweight and unhealthy.

So, I do admire Tess for standing up for herself and others. But honestly, having been overweight and lost, being that size isn't healthy and shouldn't be portrayed as healthy. That's my beef. pardon the pun.





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Tess is the one who is in her skin and physically and emotionally feels what is happening. Her weight really ISN'T anyone else's business.

She is a beautiful woman, and I suspect beautiful in her personality, too. It really is a shame that she feels she has to justify herself, or that others feel they have to justify themselves to others.

When I was about 97kg I was doing a computer course. There was a very slim guy in his mid 20's who obviously had issues - in part with over-weight people. I remember one occasion he threw abused me in no uncertain terms and told me that the size I was I had no right to take up space on this earth, that 'fat' people didn't deserve to live. He went into the staff room, picked up a chair and threw it across the room. Needless to say, that was the last day he attended to that course. He was removed.

Size doesn't define who or what a person is and the overweight have just as many rights as anyone else. Most are aware that there is a potential risk to their health. People choose to live their lives as they want. Good on them.

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"Holliday has also begun eating differently. She worries that her fans and followers might take this shift the wrong way, and is quick to clarify: “I'm still gonna eat Cheetos and all of that.” She understands that a brand built on self-acceptance, and a supportive community built around that ethos, might question changes in her lifestyle if they come across as abandoning this core philosophy. It’s complicated."

It is great that Tess has healthy self esteem and lives her life without relying on what other people think..BUT...she also talks about her fan base that looks to her as a body acceptance icon. So on one hand she doesn't care what other people think, but on the other, she doesn't want to let her fans down by leading a healthier lifestyle and losing weight?.
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sorry but it still sounds like looking for approval...this time from her fans that look to her for her body positive persona.

In my opinion, obesity is a fast track to all kinds of medical issues. When someone is morbidly obese they may not be sick NOW but it's like driving a car without any maintenance. It is going to break down and it is just a matter of time.

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