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6/27/18 3:44 P

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The people I know who are vegetarian and vegan. Do so because of the poor treatment of animals. Plus they are against factory farming.

They refuse to eat anything that had a face. Or a mother. All though some still consume dairy and eggs.




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6/26/18 12:54 P

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6/26/18 12:41 P



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Some plant based diets can be extremely restrictive. However, many of the people doing them aren't doing it to lose weight. many are trying to reverse heart disease.

Take the program Forks Over Knives. I've been reading about this one. They too believe that most fats should be avoided. They don't even allow extra virgin olive oil, avocado oil or sesame oils. They feel that any oil contributes to the clogging of arteries. Definitely no diary because it's a source of saturated fat.

The other problem is that the Chinese in the China study don't eat that way anymore. In the time since the study was published, China has changed drastically. Too many are eating a Western (American) style diet now instead of a traditional Asian diet. They're eating more highly processed foods, more meat and less veg. What does this mean ? They are seeing increases in heart disease, diabetes, cancer. etc.

What the China study does prove is that if you eat an American style diet, not only will you get fat, but you will increase your risk for a variety of diseases.


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6/26/18 10:49 A

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I think it's too restrictive. To cut out dairy and oils. I think that a healthy plant based diet would at least include some fat. I know that vegans don't eat dairy. I personally hate milk, but choose to consume cheese.

If you want to go plant based. Check with your doctor/ dietitian to see if there is a plant based option.

Those diet books are for relatively healthy people. Who don't need a doctors guidance when it comes to food selection.

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6/26/18 7:30 A

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6/26/18 6:37 A

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No dairy? No oils? That sounds way too restrictive for me.

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6/26/18 5:35 A



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The China Study is used as the foundation for a number vegetarian/vegan nutrition plans/diets. There are different studies that do show that eating more fresh fruit and veggies (and less saturated fat) can help reverse diseases like arterial sclerosis and heart disease.

Eating a plant based diet is certainly a lot healthier than eating at places like McDonalds, Burger King, Pizza Hut, KFC, Texas Chicken, etc. Fast food is loaded with saturated fat, sugar, salt and preservatives.

Michael Pollan said,“Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.”


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6/26/18 1:47 A

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You have health issues , no point in considering yet another book fad nonsense plan. Your dietitian who knows your health concerns is the only one who should be working with you, change dietitians if you can’t talk frankly.

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6/25/18 6:29 P

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Sorry. Not all cheeses but all dairy needs to be cut out.

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I believe that a plant based diet can be healthy. That being said. The China Study has been debunked.

Also the only diet you should consider is the one your nephrologist has given you. Ask them. There may be plant based option



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6/25/18 11:20 A

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it sounds way too strict and a healthy diet needs to be one that you can stick to.
Plant based whole foods can also be a vegan diet which has a lot more options even though it seems limited to a lot of people.

Everything in moderation....if a little sauce makes all the healthy veggies taste great, then you are more likely to follow a plant base diet.

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6/25/18 10:55 A

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I am reading a book about the China Study.

The author advocates cutting out all oils, meats, cheeses and added sugars. That even means no more stir frying or jarred sauces, even no more commercial salad dressings. No more cookies, biscuits or pastries.

Only whole grains, no refined grains, low salt.

He says this will improve overall health. But it seems very restrictive to me.

What dyu think?

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