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First Road Bike Crash - Clobbered By a Car - A Rant

Sunday, May 26, 2013

Warning ***

This blog is a rant against stupidity and negligence and may contain material not be suited for younger family members.

Part 1: Bikes, Bikes and more Bikes

I keep my Specialized Allez road bike at work. I can grab a quick bike ride during lunch. Or go for a longer ride after work. There are networks of really pretty bike paths accessible from Downtown Denver. Denver streets have well-marked bike lanes. B-Cycle rental kiosks are all over the place. Denver is a bike friendly city.

During nice weather, bikes are a very good way to get around the city. City buses have bike racks on the front, which seem to always seem to be carrying bikes.

Part 2: Yield to Bikes

When I am driving I am always on the lookout for people on bikes, scooters and motorcycles. People riding on two wheels do not have tons of sheet metal surrounding them. They have no seat belts or air bags. They are at the mercy of motorists.

Yielding to bikes is not just a good idea, it's the Law!

Part 3: "Ignorantia non excusat"

"Ignorantia non excusat" is Latin for "Ignorance is no excuse". Or, as the great philosopher, Forrest Gump, would say, "Stupid is as stupid does."

Keep this in mind as I describe my painfully close encounter with a 2012 Toyota 4Runner while riding my bike.

Part 4: Ripple in the Space-Time Continuum

It is common knowledge that space and time is a four dimensional construct of three dimensional space with the addition of the one-dimensional time. Space and Time form a continuum, because so far as we know, there are no missing points in space or time. Furthermore, space and time can be infinitely divided, such that the position of any particle in space is described in terms of position at an instant of time.

But I state the obvious, so please forgive me. I just want to assure you that I am a rational and thoughtful man. However, my rational thought process was severely tested at 6:07pm on Wednesday, May 22nd 2013, while riding my road bike on the marked bike path along First Avenue in Denver, Colorado.

Particle #1: 2012 Specialized Allez Mid Compact

This bike was a top racing bike a few years back and is very light weight. I can easily balance the bike on two fingers at the center of gravity, which is about foot in front of the seat post. I would guess the bike weighs a lot less than 20 pounds.

Particle #2: 2011 Toyota 4Runner 4x4

Does this thing look big to you? From the saddle of a bicycle, this thing looks frickin' monstrous! Length is 16 feet. Height is 6' 4". Vehicular weight is 3.3 tons!

I am positive the blithering idiot piloting this death machine on public roads while talking on a cell phone has no idea that they are a dangerous menace!

I warned you this was going to be a rant!

Here is a reasonably accurate diagram of what happened at 7:07PM. I have annotated the diagram with speed of my bike, which I knew because I was wearing a Garmin 901XT in bike mode.

Invoking the aforementioned space-time continuum theory, I was able to determine the 4Runner's speed and position relative to my speed and position. I only had to determine the overall length of the 4 Runner; and the distance I traveled from when I first observed the 4Runner turning in front of me to the time of impact, which was 11 feet. At the same time, the 4 Runner had traveled one car-length or 16 feet.

See, I can be rational and thoughtful.

Part 5: Pain, Blood and Bruises

I try to avoid roads, particularly busy ones, on my road bike. I ride for pleasure and fitness, not to get from point A to point B. Last Wednesday I was riding the Cherry Creek bike path. Unfortunately there is a section of the bike path that is being rebuilt and there is a detour to a wide city sidewalk. This detour is outlined in yellow and has a yellow dash line separating Eastbound and Westbound bike traffic. Since this is a sidewalk there are a lot of pedestrians, By law, bikes always have to yield to pedestrians, which I do by slowing down or stopping and calmly announcing my intentions.

So what happened, you ask.

I am pedaling down the sidewalk with a nice easy cadence. I am in the clear and there are no bikes or pedestrians in front of me. I am only about 100 yards from the end of the detour. I am happy that I will be soon be away from the busy road and back down by the river again.

I have my hands on the brake covers, which are also called "the hoods". I am feeling really good. The weather is sunny but it is not too hot. There is a gently breeze blowing but it is not windy. I am relaxed and riding easy.

I see in front of me a place where the sidewalk dips and flattens a bit. I recognize that this is an entrance to an office park. Here is a photo of the location.

No worries, the parking lot entrance is totally clear and there is not a car in a position to turn in front of me.

Or so I thought.

All of sudden I see the black grill of a Toyota 4Runner in front of me. There was no turn signal flashing. I hoped the driver saw me and would stop. In blink of a cat's eyeball, I realized that the 4Runner was accelerating.

I that point I knew that I could not, in any way shape or form, avoid a collision. I was already on the brakes. I was moving at over 20 miles per hour. There is no way to stop. Since my hands were on the hoods, my leverage on the brakes was limited. Even if my hand would have been on the drops (lower handle bars), I could not have stopped.

From when I saw the 4Runner until collision was a bit less than 1/3 of a second! Let me repeat 1/3 of a second. As the massive wall of sheet metal loomed in front of me, my brain went into overdrive! I calculated that I was going to hit the rear tire.

The only thing to do was to prepare for impact. I decided to relax and go limp. I closed my eyes. I knew this was going to hurt. Then I heard ka-BANG, BANG, BANG. I was amazed at just how loud a bike plus flesh and bone colliding with sheet metal could sound! The sensation was like there was a giant hand beating me against the side of the speeding car.

The noise was tremendous! Then there was no sound. I had the sensation of falling.... falling..... and falling. I hit the concrete like laying down on a feather bed. I tumbled over three or four times but it didn't hurt. There was no sound.

I opened my eyes. I was on my belly. I saw the 4Runner moving away from me. Then I saw the brake lights come on. I spit out blood. But no teeth, which I thought was good. I ached all over like I had been beaten with a hammer.

I picked myself off the ground. Blood tricked down my left calf. Blood dripped from my left elbow. The back of my neck throbbed. I almost fell down as my right ankle gave way. I picked up my bike. The handlebar was askew and about 45 degrees off center. The brake levers were turned inward. I steadied myself against the bike.

I saw the door of the 4Runner open. A leg with a medium heel swung out and dropped to the ground. A blond woman approached me and asked, " Are you alright?" I took a painful breath and answered with a slurred voice that surprised me, "I dun't know". Blood sprayed out of my mouth as a spoke. The woman took a quick step back. I though, "Oh, far be it from me to get blood on your stupid power suit!"

Then she said the absolutely stupidest thing I ever heard, "I saw you coming. I thought I could beat you"! Had she said that she didn't see me I would have understood her actions a lot better.

I wasn't mad. I was shocked! Remember "Ignorantia non excusat!" Yup, you got it!

I sized her up. She was about 5'4" tall. Her shoulder length blond hair had way too much coloring. She was dressed in an expensive cream-colored suit. I would guess she was in her late 30's. She didn't look concerned. She looked nervous.

I then noticed a security guard from the office park walking toward us.

I held out my hand and said, "My name is Bruce." She held out her hand. I gently took her hand from the top. She answered in a tentative tone of voice, "I am Lynsey". I am sure she was afraid I was going to say something and spit blood in her eye. I said quitely, "Pleased to meet you." She then said, "I am so sorry. I really thought I could beat you through."

I thought, "Please quit saying that!"

The security guard spoke to her. He pointed at the people on bikes cascading by, "This is a bike path. Do you see all the bikes? You have to be more careful." She deflated right in front of my eyes. She spoke to me again, "I have a bike. I ride a lot." I reply, "Maybe we can go riding together, sometime." She gives a nervous little laugh, "I wish we had met under different circumstances." As I stood there trembling in pain, I answered, "Yeah, me too."

While we were talking I had fished my multi-tool from my seatbag. I had straightened the handlebars and re-aligned the brake levers. I picked up the front of the bike and gave the front wheel a spin. The wheel was bent. I looked at her and said, "I am going to need you to pay for repairing the front wheel." She asked, "Where do you want to take your bike for repairs?" I answered, "Wheatridge Cyclery." She hands me her business card, "Have them call me when the repairs are done. I will give them my credit card over the phone."

I looked at her business card. She is a manager in the Colorado Department of Health and Human Services! I am thunderstruck! As a taxpayer I bought a piece of the 4Runner death mobile!

I rode back to my office building very slowly. The pain was starting to increase. A security guard at my company did some first aid and got me ride to the parking lot.

Part 6: Wrap-Up

My bike is at Wheatridge Cyclery getting a crash evaluation and repairs. I am concerned about the carbon front fork. A damaged carbon fork can fail suddenly.

Here is a Garmin readout that shows the crash.

This is a chart of my speed. The big "dip" a bit toward the right of the chart is the collision. My initial speed was 21.4 mph. I managed to slow down to 20.9 mph at the point of impact. The 4Runner was moving at 30.7 mph at the time of impact. The driver was accelerating in attempt to get 4Runner clear of the bike path.

Stopping and not turning in front of a person on the bike is what the vast majority of drivers would have done.

I am bruised and cut all over. Judging by my injuries, My right hand was caught between the car and my brake lever and is very swollen. I hit the side of the car with my head. Then my right shoulder and right knee hit the car. As the car kept moving, I was twisted and hit the left side of my face, which shredded the flesh on the inside of my mouth, which was the source my bleeding mouth. The inside of my left elbow and left knee hit the car causing severe bruising. Somehow, my right ankle was severely sprained. Most of my cuts and abrasions (raspberries) are a result of striking the concrete.

Here is a photo of one set of bruises


I have over a dozen bruises similar to this one. The injuries to my right ankle, neck and right shoulder are deep tissue injuries, which hurt more than the bruises, cuts and abrasions.

I plan to do an easy bike ride today on Ultra Stumpy. I am healing nicely.

Thanks, For reading my blog.

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    Wow! I missed this post when you posted it, but saw it when someone else commented. That's just incredible... she was trying to beat you! Well, I guess she did 'beat' you. Wow... I don't know what to say.

    I hope you are recovering or recovered & that your bike is in good shape! And, that she paid for it without a problem like she said she would.

    2018 days ago
    As a bicyclist and motorcyclist, I understand all too well about the stupidity out there.

    I hope you are all healed up nicely by now and that she took care of all of your expenses!
    2028 days ago
  • KML410
    Wow! So sorry this happened to you. I hope you feel better soon! So many stupid drivers out there. Take it slow emoticon
    2029 days ago

    You have a fabulous way with words and that is quite a story. It struck me that you never mentioned the mental injury from that crash. I hope all of the effects, both mental and physical, become faint and distant memories in no time flat.

    I don't know how you contained yourself from responding to the driver's incredibly stupid comment but kudos to you for maintaining. Bet shock had something to do with it.

    PS, Hope the Allez recovers as well.
    2045 days ago
    Thanks for writing this blog post. I, too, am a road bike rider and fear the same thing happening to me. I am glad you are ok, and thanks for sharing your story.
    2060 days ago
    I just saw this blog on a friend's site. I hope you are mending without any complications. I spend a lot of time riding on roads and once a week have a 30-mile commute home. In the back of my head are always the "what ifs" --what if someone pulls out of a driveway or intersection without looking, what if a car clips me from behind. There's only so much a cyclist can do to protect oneself--the rest relies on attentive, respectful drivers.

    I am very glad, but also amazed, that you weren't more seriously injured. I am also amazed at your composure. I hope you filed a police report.
    2065 days ago
    I see it's been a little over three weeks. I hope you're healing okay. I know for me, the worst usually hits about two weeks after the crash.

    I'm really amazed you were able to conduct yourself so peacefully. I'm afraid my reaction would have been more like, "You did beat me. You beat me to a pulp. Happy now?"

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    2066 days ago

    Comment edited on: 6/19/2013 6:04:48 PM
    i gotta add, i really wish you hadn't named this blog "my first ..." though, having been following you awhile, i realize that's probably just realism.
    2078 days ago
    oh dear oh dear. what a jerk. but worse, what a rotten driver. not going to help me get over my fear of riding a bike in town. good that you're doing PT --- it helped my broken knee cap recover pretty well, and i'm back up to 8 miles galloway running ... feel better.
    2078 days ago
    I am so sorry to read that this happened to you.
    Bike/vehicle accidents in our city are far too frequent, and unlike bike friendly Denver, the cyclist is always in the wrong for not yielding to traffic; regardless of the circumstances. It's sad to realize that a bike friendly city carries no guarantees. You were so polite and thoughtful in your response to her, something that I'm not sure I could have carried off.

    Thanks for your clear and detailed description of the accident as well. I hope you heal very quickly... I didn't realize you had been in an accident until I read your updated feed today.
    2078 days ago
    I am so sorry you had such an horrible experience but I am also very glad that you weren't hurt any worse then you were.
    2081 days ago
    Hi my friend...saw you on a mutual sparky's page and thought..hey..that's my buddy Bruce! SO SORRY we had to reconnect on this rotten incident! I have the same questions...why aren't your medical expenses being covered...and why didn't the security guard call for a more formal complaint with a police officer? He must not be a biker himself?

    I shudder when I see bikers out on our very BUSY HWY 41 in sunny south Florida. They think they are safe because they are in the designated 'biker lane'...but little do they know that 10,000 lb machines are hurling just inches away from them driven by seniors who are over medicated, can't see worth a darn...or....over the dashboard for that matter...OR... young kids just newly licensed and still in official 'the devil could care' I'm invincible...status!

    It's just so sad that bikers and motorcycle riders have no rights whatsoever as far as these crazy drivers are concerned...makes me shudder and cross myself every time I see them out there! emoticon

    I'm sending you love and light and hope you heal quickly...hope you had your helmet on...you my friend have a lot of stamina and endurance so I know you'll be okay and I'm thankful it wasn't worse.

    Another question...why were you so NICE to that ding dong... emoticon she deserved to have a new 'you know what torn'...I guess shock does that to people...blessings to you! emoticon
    2082 days ago

    Comment edited on: 6/4/2013 11:06:03 AM
    No words. Glad you didn't get seriously injured. Man......
    2084 days ago
  • KA_JUN
    Bruce, unbelievable. emoticon She saw you, yet couldn't be bothered to take an extra 30 seconds to make sure you were clear. I hope you filed a police report, had yourself checked out by your doc, and reported the incident to your insurance company. You never know, the next time this person could harm someone quite badly due to their negligence.

    Glad to hear you're on the mend. Very dangerous situation that could have been much worse.

    Heal up fast.
    2084 days ago
    I'll resist the urge to use blanket statements about the ineptitude of government employees. Thank goodness you were not injured more seriously. Hope your body heals soon and the Allez is repaired too.
    2086 days ago
  • ACTIVE_AT_60
    Glad you are OK. This is my fear every time I ride my bike. Motorists doesn't 'have time' for cyclists. - Heal well and let the lawyers work out what needs to be worked out!
    2087 days ago
    Wow! What a horrible experience! Get better soon!
    2087 days ago
    Holy Crap! I'm glad that you are okay, it sounds like it could have ended a lot worse. I was in a similar situation last week when a woman actually drove onto the bike path right in front of me because she wanted to know where to park so she could run on the path. OMG, are you kidding me!? I swerved to avoid hitting her but I was very upset and yelled due to the fear I just experienced.
    What the heck is wrong with people?
    Safe travels Bruce!
    You have had your share of bumps and bruises.
    2087 days ago

    Comment edited on: 5/30/2013 2:52:01 AM
    oh my goodness! I'm glad you weren't more seriously injured and I hope you heal quickly! I also hope she has learned from this, I doubt it, but I'm hopeful.

    2088 days ago
    People in vehicles just don't seem to realize the speed you can reach on a bike and that you can't just "stop" when they cut in front of you... glad to hear that you're healing... I took a spill trying to keep out of the way of a car the other day... and the people in the car...seeing me and my bike fall as I hit the curb on the side of the road might have glanced back to see that I was moving and not unconscious or anything but didn't stop or even call out to me from their window as they drove by me lying in the grass on the side of the road with my bike on top of me... Maybe they were just in a hurry or somewhat ignorant but it just seemed rude on their part... and my bruises and soreness seem to be healing too... so I'll be back out riding very soon - but I just wish people had a little more understanding of biking...
    2088 days ago
    Good grief! I'm just shaking my head here. I'm glad you're as alright as you are, and hope you're healing well and getting back into the swing of things.
    I think we'd all like a follow-up blog, if there is any more info to impart about the situation.
    2089 days ago
    Bruce - you have every right to be Angry - You are a very rational man. That is superb on your cycle knowledge and up keep of your cycles. You have every right to rant . I ride in a very Urban area everyday - Downtown Chicago , so I understand completely your frustration of negligent drivers. Some of these ignorant people feel that we ( cyclist ) Do not belong on the road. I know in Chicago that we are not allowed to ride on the Side walk , unless your 12 years or under - this cannot be help when your leaving your residence. I have been nudged more than once on back tires by drivers but , never hit like you were . I am sorry and sending well wishes for recovery , report the incident and recover your loss - Karen
    2090 days ago

    Comment edited on: 5/27/2013 5:33:01 PM
    OMG!!!! I'm so glad that you came out of that alive!!! emoticon
    2090 days ago
    Ugh! "I saw you coming. I thought I could beat you"...?!? Just amazing!

    In such a situation I try to assume the worst case scenario: that the driver ISN'T going to stop and let them through. There is no competing with a vehicle...! Of course it sounds like time was not on ANYONE'S side this time and it's those split-second decisions that can trip up anyone.

    We just had our local "Ride of Silence"....SO RELIEVED that you did not become one of those statistics!


    2090 days ago
    Wow! I applaud you for handling that so calmly. I wouldn't have been able to do that. Drivers just don't think! I hope you heal fast! Take Care!
    2090 days ago
    Glad you're okay... sorry for the stupidity.. I just had to shake my head at "I thought I could beat you"... lord..

    one more thang.. you're one smart guy to be able to figure out all the speed of this and that... LOL.. and time and space continuum.. very cool... and you ride a VERY nice bike.. probably nicer than my car. HA

    2090 days ago
    One of the reasons I don't own a SUV. those things are just too big for one person. I don't ride bicycles any more because my balance is shot. you should have gone to the doctor. deep tissue injuries can hide more serious damage. the one and hopefully only time I was in a vehicle accident, i hit my elbow against the window turner. for two days, that arm was useless and hurt for about two weeks.
    2090 days ago
  • BOBBYD31
    glad your going to be ok. i fear that every time i go out for a ride which may be 2-300 miles per month which is all road miles with out bike lanes. you were luck this time an i can not believe her statement about beating you, that is insane. you should have really scared the sh*t out of her and said your lawyer would be in contact. people have to be more aware of riders, not sure what the answer is for awareness............ glad your ok
    2090 days ago
    Wow, I'd be contacting the police. That was beyond reckless.
    2090 days ago
    Bruce. Glad you're "OK." At least I hope you're really OK.

    I hope the bike is repairable and returns to its former, reliable, and fun state for you.

    Others have suggested this, and I have similar personal experience. Report this incident to your own insurance company.

    I was involved in a similar accident where a car turned from the road across a mixed use, marked, bikelane/sidewalk and I unavoidably hit the car's right front fender. Bent wheel, like yours, but no damage to me. The driver and I exchanged personal information and the driver gave me her insurance information. I reported the incident to my own insurance company. The driver drove me and the bike to my bike shop and left a check paying for the new wheel. Much later my insurance company received a $900 claim from the other insurance company for my damage to the car fender. My company investigated. The other claim collapsed.

    If you report to your own insurance company, and keep track of expenses for medical and bike repair, you may find it all covered by the other driver. The admission, twice, that she expected to be able to beat you to the entrance to the parking lot, and her agreement to pay for you repairs likely ends her defense, particularly if the security guard heard it as well.

    As I recall the Ride of Silence I was in a couple weeks ago, honoring those who have been killed or injured on the public roads, I feel my next ride will include your story as well. Thanks for sharing

    Ride Safe.
    2090 days ago
    Heal fast Bruce. I'm glad your okay. I bet that 4runner was one of Ultra Stumpy's friends getting back at you for 'cheating' with a road bike! All kidding aside, if your helmet even touched the vehicle or pavement, it is totaled! Make sure the driver pays for a replacement helmet as well.
    2090 days ago
    I'm with HKARLSSON, although my version is Kentucky whoop-ass. I'm glad you were not hurt any worse, and that you had a "walk away" accident, but that doesn't make it OK. Her agreeing to pay for your bike repair is right - and expected - but you really should also file a police report & report it to her insurance. Not all injuries will show up immediately. And your bike, even if repairable, may never be the same.

    Some people are just so stupid and should not be allowed to breed. She "thought she could beat you". Hello moron....you're in an SUV, he's on a bike...who do you think is going to get hurt in a collision?
    2091 days ago
    Well, I am speechless. I can't even invent enough curse words to describe this... this... I can't even. Just. Can't.

    I hope you prosecute her to the full extent of the law, since she obviously has no business operating a moving vehicle. I am also incredibly impressed by your self-restraint. Had it been me, I would have gone all Jerry Springer white trash on her and teach her what a can of Tennessee Whoop-@ss is. They would have had to drag me off her sorry carcass. Yes, I have no class at all.

    I am VERY glad you made it out alive. That could have been a lot worse. I hope you heal quickly and get your bike fixed soon.

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    2091 days ago
    Feel better Bruce!

    That's a mad story (written very well).

    Keep on biking on emoticon
    2091 days ago
    I am so glad that you are still able to rant.... I agree with the above- you need to file a police report. This is not OK. Let us all know how you are feeling and what you do for follow up. Take care. emoticon
    At the very least, what about repairs for you? Not just the wheel of your bike. I am in shock, you could have been killed. emoticon emoticon
    2091 days ago

    Comment edited on: 5/26/2013 12:23:02 PM
    First of all - I'm happy that you're reasonably okay.
    Secondly, don't let her get away with that. File a report, press charges. Idiots like that need a wakeup call.
    2091 days ago
    I cannot believe the ignorance of people! It wasn't bad enough that she was driving badly, or that she raced ahead thinking that she should be able to beat you, but the fact that this person is in a management position in a place meant for looking after the well being of the people in the area!!!Not that your injuries are not anything to worry about, but I am glad that you were not hurt as bad as you could have been.
    2091 days ago
  • NWFL59
    Glad you were able to walk/hobble/ride away from the accident and are on the mend and able to continue riding despite your injuries. You certainly amaze me in your self control and have a civil rant, I'd be inclined to be far less civil. emoticon emoticon emoticon
    2091 days ago
  • OWL_20
    I'm so sorry to read this! But I'm so glad, in the overall scheme of things, you are relatively okay. Also? I kind of want to smack the top of the SUV and tell her to wake up. Bikes, pedestrians all have the right of way. So yikes, great blog, it made me hurt to read. Hope you're feeling better and the bike gets fixed to your satisfaction.
    2091 days ago
    Why didn't you file a police report?
    2091 days ago
    I am so sorry this happened, and at the same time glad that your injuries weren't much worse. It is so stupid to try to speed up to beat a bike, especially when she claims to be a rider herself. I always try to watch out for bikes, scooters, motorcycles, pedestrians, and also skateboarders around here because they are most often teenagers who have no clue and will swerve out in front of you suddenly believing they are invinsible. Most of the other groups are much more cautious. I'm glad you are healing better, and that she did at least stop, which some people wouldn't have! But she was so irresponsible to do what she did and cause the crash. Hope she learned something from this!
    2091 days ago
  • LAURIE5658
    Bruce, I am so sorry. Obviously, this piece of crap that hit you is too busy to be a thoughtful and logical person (i.e. MORON). Please take care and heal quickly.

    2091 days ago
  • JACKIE542
    So sorry this happened. I really can't believe what people say sometimes, she thought she could beat you, so stupid. You handled this like a gentleman, I need to learn from you, I just don't think I could have been so nice.
    Glad you are feeling better and you are going out today, take good care. emoticon
    2091 days ago
    2091 days ago
  • DARLY55
    What a nonsensical thing to happen! I am so sorry you were injured, but it sounds like you handled it as you should, by not bracing and going limp! I am glad you are on the mend. That was a good accounting of the crash, I could picture it in detail. Thank you for sharing with us.
    2091 days ago
    OMG... Bruce... this was painful for me to read. I know I told you about the time I got hit by a mini pickup truck. The kid who hit me was scared sh*tless, but he wasn't stupid, he was just a careless kid. He didn't think he could "beat me," he just didn't think. I think you can have as many bike accidents as you please, but there is nothing scarier than those few seconds before a car hits you when everything slows down and goes silent. You see every detail, you know it's going to happen, and your mind races through all the ways you know to protect yourself against something from which there isn't much protection. I feel for you, man.

    I'm glad you weren't hurt worse, and hopefully your bike can be repaired to its former glory too. And BTW, the kid who hit me, his insurance paid me treble damages.
    2091 days ago
    Ok, now I'm shocked and have questions.
    Why did she not offer to take you to the emergency room?
    Why were the police not involved?
    Why was she not ticketed?
    Why did she not give you her driver's license and insurance info?
    She was the cause of a moving vehicle accident that involved personal injury and property damage. I would have thought the standard procedures would be followed.
    2091 days ago
    First, I thought "I cannot believe someone would do something so stupid, so dangerous"....but then I realized, yes, I do believe it. I hope you are feeling better soon - and that maybe, just maybe, she has learned something.
    2091 days ago
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