Thursday, April 18, 2013

i know there are going to be hundreds who have been on WW and love it. even been successful - perhaps a lifetime member - and that is fantastic.
i even have family members who have lost weight with this program. HOWEVER-
i have a close relative i am trying to help lose over 200 pounds. He has been on WW and assigned a number of POINTS - according to his present weight.
the trouble i have with this 'point' system is that many fruits and veggies are ZERO POINTS. foods such as bananas.
i hold several degrees in the science of foods and how they work in the body, and stated many times before i do not believe in the 'calorie in/calorie out' theory.
on top of the ZERO points -- if you have activity you are told to ADD more points, and that there are FREE points for the week.
i see this adding up to FAR TOO MUCH FOOD (CALORIES or POINTS call it what you will) on a daily basis for this person who has so much weight to lose.
i feel ATTENTION must be paid to CARB'S = it is not just a point - is it FAT , STARCH, PROTEINS?? this is absolutely crucial to losing safely, being healthy and feeling fit as you lose this weight.
so we are at a cross roads - he is quite entrenched in the Weight Watchers philosophy -
i know just in the past few months he should have lost more weight than he has. i feel he is not training himself for the inevitable portion control which HAS to follow weight loss. this should be gradual - as you lose -
i do not agree with FREE foods - no such thing exists - your body will register everything you eat.
it is causing tension - i want to help this person very much - it is a dilemma.
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    the only reason he is firmly entranched in that program is he gets to eat some point he will stop losing weight there and only lose money

    i tried it and i gained i never lost weight and i don't need to pay anyone to help me gain pounds..i have been at spark over five years and am maintaining here for almost 4..spark peole works for me
    the lady mary
    2134 days ago
    I gave up dumping money into WW years ago. It never worked for me - when they got into the counting points thing, I was done. With that said, it has helped so many people. We all have to find what works for us.

    Something to keep in mind, though, WW wouldn't be in business if everyone that joined lost weight. I guess what I'm saying is, they make a lot of money on people struggling to take the weight off. Do they really want people to keep the weight off? Sorry if that 'ticks' anyone off. They are an organization I never really trusted.
    2134 days ago
    Different things work for different people. The good news is that you said he is losing weight. Sometimes being a friend is supporting others in their choices and being there when they ask for help. I can tell that you really care about this person, so just keep being supportive but allow him to make his own choices.
    2134 days ago
  • NHES220
    I have done WW in the past and I know some people who have been very successful with it. I believe the concept with the free foods of fruits and vegetables is that they will be self limiting. You can only have so much fruit before you start to have some issues with it. My issue with WW is the points do not really focus on eating the right food. I really need to get away from the sugars and the processed carbs as they make me crave other things. On points, I could still have plenty of carbs and stay within my points. Also, their online community is not like SparkPeople and I do not want to have to physically go some where, it does not work out for me.

    2135 days ago
    Not in a million years would I have the interest or patience to deal with points.
    2135 days ago
  • OOLALA53
    Weight Watchers only keeps records on the long time maintainers. and even they fail 84% of the time. For every one person who keeps weight off from WW, there are hundreds who don't.

    However, I did lose weight using their point system and used discretion with free foods. I wanted to get legitimately hungry for my meals, so I didn't eat all the time, even hough I could have. But I didn't learn consistent portion control until years later, and without counting calories or even tracking.
    2135 days ago
    I lost 58 lb. at WW many years ago... trying to attain an unattainable goal. I was unable to keep up with the deprivation and point schemes, thus regained 78 lb. Dieting makes me fatter. That's when I vowed never to spend another dime with these kinds of clubs. emoticon
    2135 days ago
  • MKATE88
    My mom started, then left weight watchers. She now faithfully records her food, and she has lost a lot of weight. I am not educated in nutrition, so my recommendation may not carry much weight. If I were in your shoes, I would try and get him to record his food in sparkpeople or some other forum. I might even record the food myself, and then he could see what you are trying to say. Good luck to your and your relative! We all deserve health and happiness
    2135 days ago
    I agree that variety and portion control are major factors in success. Good luck and. Let him try, but encourage healthy choices.
    2136 days ago
    There are so many roads that lead to Rome... so many different methods and ways to lose weight. (This while not many seem to be very succesfull, alas).
    There is such a thing as EE (Expressed Emotion). It means that if a person with a problem has relatives that express (or feel) a lot of emotion about the situation of said person, this hampers not helps the person finds his/her own way. I understand that you are very concerned and try to help. But maybe it's better if your relative finds someone not so close to support and help him.
    2136 days ago
  • no profile photo AZURE-SKY
    I agree. I tried the PointsPlus program the first year it was introduced, and GAINED steadily for 3 months until I quit.

    I was 59 at the time, mostly sedentary, and was at the minimum number of daily points. So, I figured I'd lose fairly quickly - WRONG!!! I was getting very frustrated at my lack of success, so I decided to double-track - with WW and here on SP.

    What I found was enlightening to say the least. Keeping with my 29 daily points, and not eating any Weekly points or Activity Points, but eating several servings of fruit a day, I was consuming anywhere from 1200 to well over 1900 calories per day.

    WW programs cannot handle people outside their version of a "normal" overweight person. I am hypothyroid, so my metabolism is slower than normal, even with the aid of medication. Not only that, but I had learned previously while participating in a diet study, that I lose better when eliminating processed carbs - even if I keep to the same number of calories. So, with WW's program of free fruit, I would eat my daily points, including some snack foods, plus my "healthy & free" fruits. So, I was actually overloading on carbs (some good, some not so good). I would have an almost daily snack of 1 cup fat-free Greek yogurt (3 pts), 1 banana (0 pts), frozen strawberries (0 points). But, depending on how big the banana, and how much strawberries, that snack could be over 300 calories!

    I was an online member, and at the time, there was no way to reduce the number of daily points. I ended up tweaking the system by creating entries for fruits, and counting the points for them. Then I thought it was just stupid for me to pay for a system that I had to rework, and went back SP, watched my carb intake, and started losing again.

    Another drawback (IMHO) to the WW program is that you don't have a clue about your ratio of carbs/protein/fats. So, if you're diabetic, you need to track your carb intake separately.

    If your family member needs the support of a group, can they attend TOPS meetings or another weight loss group? I personally found the WW meetings 1) boring, 2) frustrating, 3) a waste of time. The leaders, while well-intentioned, only know the program, and some of them not as well as they should. Some of them really promote the WW products (they get a commission on sales).
    2136 days ago
  • AUNTB63
    Although I agree with every point you have made. And maybe he should have lost more weight and should be learning more for future use.....I guess I would just appreciate the fact that he is trying to do something about his weight. I know this is hard to do as I want all my relatives and friends to join the Spark journey, but I also know it is their choice. How did he come upon friend?. I have a friend who will do nothing but WW. She did lose weight and still exercises 3-5 X a week. I also have a friend who is against "dieting", but I know that she is picking up on what I am doing and little by little she is eating healthier and losing a few pounds. Can't convince her to at least try SP.....just the way she is.
    Have a wonderful day and hopefully some day he will want to do something different and SP will be his choice.

    2136 days ago
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