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Conjugated Linoleic Acid (Tonalin)

Saturday, September 17, 2011

I've been wondering A LOT about supplements (not diet pills...they are not for me) lately...especially after this week's research triathlon into "gross food". I don't mean things like a peanut butter and fried egg sandwich, I mean the DISGUSTING things we eat in America and never even know it. I read a blog yesterday (I wish I could remember who wrote it, because I'd love to share the link to the source of her info), and found out some even MORE disturbing things about fast food...like that the "hamburger patties" that MANY fast food restaurants sell are really just the nasty slaughter house junk that is normally reserved for dog food. Apparently, they shovel that garbage off of the floor, and treat it with ammonia gas to kill of any e-coli, grind it up with soy, and sell it to us. I'm not sure which disturbs me more...the gross quality of "meat" or the ammonia gas. Or the fact that this is perfectly okay with the FDA, when we think we are eating decent (if not fatty) cuts of meat...
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Anyway...back to the supplements. I've been doing quite a bit of lurking on some of the teams on SP to try to find more scientifically backed and documented nutritional information about the food I WANT to be eating...things that are GLOBALLY recognized as nutritionally sound providers of macro and micro nutrients. I'm starting to think that it might not be the worst idea I've ever had to start taking supplements...but which ones? If you've ever spent any time in the supplement section of a grocery or health food store, you can understand my confusion...there are roughly 8 million of them. I already take a sublinqual B complex, an iodine supplement, and a multi vitamin every day, but there are so many other supplements out there that I have to wonder if I should be taking anything else too...

In my searchings this morning I found a thread about (mainly) CLA, or conjugated linoleic acid. To hit the high points, at least 3400 mg/day is supposed to :
--Increase metabolic rate
--Decrease abdominal fat
--Enhance muscle growth
--Lower cholesterol and triglycerides
--Lower insulin resistance
--Reduce food induced allergic reactions
--Enhance the immune system.

If those claims are true, that one supplement packs quite a punch!! Since insulin resistance and low thyroid function run on both sides of my family, I'm going to give it a shot...I'll try just about anything once, and if this supplement can do half of what the article(s) report, I'll be a happy camper! I'm thinking I'm going to start adding different supplements periodically...if I can find well documented info supporting their benefits, they can't hurt. If they don't do anything, I'll chalk it up to a lesson learned. If they do something good, I'll celebrate :) I'm going to try to blog about these things periodically to share the results of my experiments!

Here is the link to one of the articles I read about CLA (Tonalin), if anyone is interested:

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/
dietweightloss/a/cla.htm

You can keep following the different links from this original article to learn more, or you could just google CLA or Tonalin (the "brand" name) to get more info like I did!

Anyway, have a great Saturday everyone!!
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  • LUNA0000
    yes, I wonder also why you are taking iodine? that could cause your thyroid to fail further. I took it and initially i had great energy and then I crashed and my thyroid failed I was terrified... just please be careful with that.

    CLA is supposed to be good... I am going to start taking it also... good luck!
    3160 days ago
  • PNUTSMOM02
    Found the study on cider vinegar:

    Vinegar intake reduces body weight, body fat mass, and serum triglyceride levels in obese Japanese subjects. Kondo, T. et al., Bioscience, Biotechnology, and Biochemistry 2009 Aug;73(8):1837-1843.

    You will likely have to go to a library to look it up, journal articles are rarely in their entirety on the net.
    3363 days ago
  • PNUTSMOM02
    You can find CLA in flaxseed fed animals and their products (ie: eggs). Often fishmeal is used in these animal diets as well - which leads to: why not just eat fish - specifically salmon (very high). There are other cold water fish that have lots of Omega-3 as well.

    On to the burger dilemma: Don't know for sure what it's like down there - I hope that since we're trading partners, it's on pretty even footing - but I've worked in food inspection here for 5 years (and a few years before that on the food production side) and we DO NOT use the crap that is delegated for pet food (which is usually got minor deformities/infections that are non transferrable, etc. IN fact, we got some very nice sirloin for one product we were making (sirloin burger - go figure). That's not to say that all burgers are high quality meat, it's true that a lot of it is trim product that can't be used for whole cuts, but it's better than the stuff that goes for puppy chow.

    Also, I don't know if it's the same in the US, but here you can't use the word patty (pattie?) unless the product is 100% meat (aside from seasonings). If there is any filler at all, it's called a beef (or name of meat here) burger. Interesting way to tell the difference.

    Anyhoo - lots of evidence that CLA is very good for us in so many ways, so it certainly can't hurt to get a supplement. Keep in mind that we tend to get lot's of Omega-6 from our regular diet, so go for a strictly Omega-3 supplement. Also, if you are interested, apple cider vinegar is proving to be a great addition when battling belly fat and metabolic syndrome. I'll see if I can find the link to the published scientific papers that substantiate.

    Have a great day. emoticon
    3364 days ago
  • ROOBEARZ
    The CLA sounds good. One of the main Zumba instructors I go to, who is also a body builder, swears by Scivation Xtend which is described as:

    The advanced components in Xtend have been scientifically proven to help: Speed Recovery, Enhance ATP production and promote cell volumization. Reduce muscle breakdown and cortisol levels. Reduce fatigue and lactic acid levels for longer, more intense training. Support lean body mass along with immune and digestive health. Promote vasodilation which can lead to better assimilation and absorption of protein. Disease Soreness. Scientifically Proven to Build Muscle and Burn Fat! Enhance Recovery, Decrease Soreness, Reduce Fatigue, Sugar & Stimulant Free.

    It sounded similar to the item you describe and she says it helps her a lot. I'm considering incorporating it into my regimen. I just use a multi-vitamin and occasional protein supplement currently.

    Good luck!!!
    3364 days ago
  • GOURMETLOSER
    Hmmm.Thanks for answering my questions.
    Interesting about your iodine. My thyroid functions are on the low side of normal (BUT still normal) so taking thyroid hormones is not the answer but iodine?????? Maybe worth the thought.
    I've been putting flaxseed in my bread and everyone raves about it but I think the amount would probably be too low to count much towards 3400mg. It is abundant in many vegetable oils, comprising over half (by weight) of poppy seed, safflower, sunflower, and corn oils so you need not be limited to flaxseed.BUT there's probably a limit to how much oil we want in our diet if we're trying to lose some weight. Ce la vie.
    I have no doubt that linoleic acid has it's benefits particularly for women and their hormone balance so whether it works miracles or not it will no doubt have some benefit. I'll be interested to see how it goes for you. I'm sure you'll let us know.
    Margaret

    P.S. I found this in Wikipedia - No mention of meats except the chicken and possibly the lard. Don't know if it's any help
    Dietary sources
    Name % LA
    Safflower oil 78%
    Grape seed oil 73%
    Poppyseed oil 70%
    Sunflower oil 68%
    Hemp oil 60%
    Corn oil 59%
    Wheat germ oil 55%
    Cottonseed oil 54%
    Soybean oil 51%
    Walnut oil 51%
    Sesame oil 45%
    Rice bran oil 39%
    Pistachio oil 32.7%
    Peanut oil 32%
    Canola oil 21%
    Chicken fat 18-23%
    Egg yolk 16%
    Linseed oil 15%
    Lard 10%
    Olive oil 10%
    Palm oil 10%
    Cocoa butter 3%
    Macadamia oil 2%
    Butter 2%
    Coconut oil 2%

    3365 days ago
  • JESSICA2140
    GL--From what I've read, you tend to find CLA in "organic" meats. They are cost prohibitive. I've tried the flaxseed...and I hate it. :) The supplement might work, it might not, but I'm giving it a try...I'm a big believer in holistic/homoepathic medicine in conjunction with practical medicine. Sometimes, things are a "load", sometimes, they are not...but you never know unless you try! I'm enough of a realist to know that all of the claims made for CLA are probably exaggerated, most claims made by ANY supplement usually are...but if there is any grain of truth in the claim, It's worth the experiment! This is how I found my iodine supplement...which sounded SO silly at the time, but really helped to improve my thyroid function (made my thyroid panels return to a "normal" level, as opposed to the borderline hypothyroid readings I'd been getting for 2 years!)
    3365 days ago
  • GOURMETLOSER
    I wonder.....(Not trying to be negative here. these are honest wonderings).... If it sounds too good to be true, maybe it is???????
    I also wonder when you try this out how do you know what success you're getting from the supplements and what success is due to good diet,exercise and weight loss? If I thought adding a supplement would do all those things I'd be taking it in a shot.

    My thinking tends to be if you are having a good balanced diet (what ever that is???) then you shouldn't need supplements. I think linoleic acid is in grains and things like flaxseed - that's from memory and may not be accurate. Don't know how many seeds you'd have to eat to get 3400mg though. Maybe an impossible ask????
    3366 days ago
  • no profile photo CD9796325
    I took CLA for a little bit a couple of years ago. I don't know if it really made a huge difference - I did lose weight but I was restricting calories and exercising alot. I also took something else (L-carnitine? something like that). Hope you get some good results!
    3366 days ago
  • no profile photo LADYGREENEYES
    I tend to think if it worked, no one would be fat cos we'd all be on it. I'll be interested in anything you find out though.
    3366 days ago
  • no profile photo CD10926975
    If you are interested in "reading" about supplements... lurk ont he Advocare team page.... lots of success there.
    3366 days ago
  • JESSICA2140
    That was one of the things they said in the article...3-4g is roughly the same thing as 3400 mg, and it was for sure not advocated to be a replacement for nutrition and exercise, just to supplement it. I'll take the assistance with lean muscle development too!!
    3366 days ago
  • CATS_MEOW_0911
    I used to take CLA--I haven't noticed a difference between taking it and not taking it.

    The studies I've read through in my kinesiology courses demonstrated that it may indeed help increase lean muscle mass, especially when combined with strength training, but taking more than 6 grams per day was of no benefit. Taking more than 3-4 grams per day may also increase fatty liver deposits.
    3366 days ago
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