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BRENDENDA Posts: 118
7/11/13 1:43 P

today we are meeting a dietitian, so today is a beginning for myself and my husband

2/4/13 8:31 P

I think you can literally find something bad about anything digestible if you look hard enough and have no interest in the scientific validity of the article. If someone wants to eat splenda - no need to shove your beliefs down their throat. Unless you've actually studied the subject (I haven't!) you are just repeating someone else's beliefs and trusting their knowledge. One thing I've learned as a lawyer is that you can find someone to say what fit your needs if you are ready to pay for it!

I am a firm believer that every body is different and you have to do what feels right for your body. Cutting out sweeteners made me feel better. Drinking a glass of 2% milk every day after a workout makes me feel great. Let's not sit here and tell everyone they need to drink milk or cut out splenda. Someone else might decide they need to cut out gluten or carbs or meat. Whatever works for you - live and let live people! emoticon

LOVE4KITTIES Posts: 4,690
2/4/13 8:15 P

This discussion has really strayed off topic from what the original poster intended. It's also obviously not a productive discussion that we're having. So, this will be my last post on the topic.

You are an adult and you are free to choose what you believe and eat what you want. But, I hope that you will not continue to pass your beliefs off to others as based in science.

I'm not one to throw credentials around, but since you seem to be questioning my background, I will tell you that I am a scientist. My knowledge of the field is based upon B.S. and M.S. degrees in Physiology and a Doctorate in Veterinary Medicine, earned at one of the most well-known and respected schools of veterinary medicine here in the U.S. Additionally, it is based upon 10 years of experience in scientific research and upon 8 years of clinical veterinary practice. It is based upon thousands of hours spent critically analyzing all of the scientific journal articles that come across my desk.

I will say, once again, that veterinarians are not bribed or brainwashed by pet food companies. Yes, some of the major pet food manufacturers do put on some talks and they will give vet students some bags of free dog food. But, that's it and neither I nor any of my colleagues (at least the ones who I know and who were trained at respected, accredited, institutions) has been fooled, bribed, brainwashed or coerced in any way by any pet food company. When I was a vet student, I got a few bags of free pet food and I think I got a couple of free slices of pizza during a talk put on by Science Diet, but that certainly does not affect my professional recommendations. As a practicing veterinarian, I've never been offered anything by a pet food company, not even one free kibble for my kitties...

Pork is not "deadly to dogs." Pork is present in some (but not very many) commercial pet foods (usually with another protein source). Pork loin is a highly digestible, lean cut of meat that can often be successfully used as the protein source in home-cooked diets formulated by veterinarians (veterinarian input is crucial in any home-cooked diet in order to avoid nutrient deficiencies) for their canine patients with adverse reactions to other protein sources. I am aware of one pet food company that uses pork as the primary protein source in their diets, however, this food is not one that I recommend (for reasons unrelated to the pork) nor have I met any colleagues who recommend foods by this particular company. If this is the company you are talking about, sorry you worked for them...

Finally, the only true specialists in canine behavior are veterinary behaviorists who have completed a residency in behavior medicine beyond their veterinary degree and who have subsequently earned board certification by the American College of Veterinary Behaviorists. There is no degree or specialization in canine psychology/pet psychology that is offered by any accredited college or university in the U.S.

Edited by: LOVE4KITTIES at: 2/4/2013 (22:04)
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2/4/13 5:14 P

So, you are saying there is no science in the scientific studies done by the American Endo. Society, Amer Pediatics Society, and the APHA that warned against ingestion of growth hormones and said there is reason for concern and that the FDA needed to do more studies, but won't because it isn't cost effective. Or there was no science when Canada,Austrailia, and the EU banned the use because the studies showed it was bad for the animals and with lack of in-depth studys they couldn't justify the use in human foods.

I did, as you said, spend 2 yrs in Vet Assistance, spent another year in an exotics program, before I spent another 2 yrs specializing in Canine Psychology. I spent 8 yrs working with groups and 1 and 1/2 working with a dog food company, that DID offer residuals to VETS, BREEDERS, and TRAINERS to suggest their food. Which happened to be pork based and deadly to dogs, but I know many "experts" who sold it.

I worked for a vitamin company. What you know and what you think is all propaganda. It is all about the lobbyists and big business. Look at the human pharma. Business. People take meds because of meds. Example: I took Geodon for 4 yrs. It shut down almost every organ in my body, so they heaped on 7 other meds to cover the effects of that one, and two more for the effects of two of those. I switched to one herbal and an herbal tea and am much happier and healthier.

I have 3 clients who have had every test done know to man, been to the Cleveland Clinic and John Hopkins, no change. I had them cut out all diary, because humans can't properly digest it, and they haven't been sick since.

There is science to it, and even more logic. If every country but ours banned something, there most be good reason! Propoganda! Like the NIH said it discovered AIDS, nope, it was the French, using samples from the NIH. Propoganda!

LOVE4KITTIES Posts: 4,690
2/4/13 4:37 P


Alternative medicine, herbalogy and homeopathics are not based in science. So, there is no science behind many of the claims made by people in these fields. It's fine if you embrace these things, but to make it seem like they are based in science and that there is scientific proof behind these things is misleading.

Your claims about veterinarians are incorrect. Science Diet does not pay for veterinary schools or for veterinary students to attend school. They also do not pay for veterinary clinics or offer veterinarians kickbacks to sell their food. There is no conditioned (or brainwashed) response amongst veterinarians about these food products or any other pet food products. Yes, Science Diet does sponsor some seminars, as do other food manufacturers (including some of the manufacturers of organic pet foods).

In my experience, most people who say they have been to a "veterinary program" mean one of the programs at a junior college. These are, at most, two year associate degrees for people to learn to assist veterinarians (or become veterinary technicians). They are not degrees in veterinary medicine and these people are not legally allowed to diagnose or treat diseases in pets. Veterinarians, at a minimum, have both bachelors degrees and degrees in veterinary medicine (which is an additional 4 years beyond a bachelor's degree, like medical school for humans). It is not even that uncommon for a veterinarian to also have a master's degree. Some veterinarians also have Ph.Ds.

So far as a "study" showing a correlation between a lack of industrialization in food production and a lack of heart disease, etc. in New Guinea, all I can say is that one of the main tenants of science is this: Correlation does not equal causation. This study absolutely does not offer any proof of what you are stating. You are making incorrect conclusions regarding the data collected and, if the authors of the study also made these same conclusions, then this is a serious flaw.

Your other claims about puberty being linked to hormones in dairy and poultry are also based upon incorrect conclusions. This is, once again, the correlation equals causation fallacy. There are many factors which are believed to pay a part in our children experiencing an earlier onset of puberty these days (e.g. better nourishment or even just higher body mass index).

Edited by: LOVE4KITTIES at: 2/4/2013 (16:44)
2/4/13 4:35 P

"...any artificial sweetener is bad for you, your liver cannot filter it out and stores it as fat. Hence so many overweight diet beverage drinkers."

You don't need to take any classes to see that this is an example of bad science.

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2/4/13 3:38 P

I didn't base my information on internet. I am an alternative health and medicine student, and have associate degrees in herbalogy and homeopathics, plus I have career certificates for completion for programs for the NIH, and everything I have learned says this. Everything I have experienced through the apprenticeship I was in for Healers says this.

That is like asking a vet what food to give a dog. Most of them will say Science Diet, but what they don't tell you is that Science Diet pays for Vet programs and clinics and it is a biased opinion. This is based on first hand knowledge of the veterinary programs I went through, so I know they condition this response and give money to pay for schooling.

Take a look at undeveloped countries. Like a recent study of the health and diet of New Guinea. They showed a correlation between the lack of industrialization in their foods and the lack of heart disease, cancers, and etc. Compare our food to that of 100 yrs ago. How about recent studies that show that males have an influx of estrogen due to the increase of estrogen given dairy cattle to keep them producing. The rapidly lowering age of puberty has been linked to hormones in meat and poultry supplies. It isn't fear mongering, it's logical.

OPUSEVA Posts: 1,334
2/4/13 3:33 P

"any artificial sweetener is bad for you, your liver cannot filter it out and stores it as fat. "

This statement is absolutely false and shows a lack of understanding of how the body works.
Your liver does not "filter" anything at all. The liver is responsible for metabolism - it takes the useful substances in the blood and metabolically alters them into things we need for life OR it makes potentially toxic substances less toxic. One way it does that is to make them more water-soluble so that they can be filtered out by the Kidneys. It cannot change artificial sweeteners into fat.

The source for this misinformation (Mercola?) should not be trusted, if they cannot get such basic concepts correct.

LOVE4KITTIES Posts: 4,690
2/4/13 2:54 P

The overwhelming majority of peer-reviewed scientific studies, coming out of well-respected institutions and published in well-respected journals state that things like Splenda are perfectly fine and do not cause any harm when consumed in normal amounts. The things that you read on the internet (and maybe see on tv or read in some books) about them causing people to become overweight and causing health problems are simply not true. Unless you are lactose intolerant or have an allergy to it, dairy is actually a healthy food that provides many nutrients. There's also no evidence that GMOs cause any health problems, that organic foods are healthier than non-organic foods and no evidence for your other claims, either. There's simply a lot of pseudoscience and scaremongering out there that has led to these claims becoming so popularly believed. If you believe these false claims and you are making choices about your diet based upon these false claims, you are needlessly complicating your life, cutting out foods with valuable nutrient profiles and you are also likely to end up paying more than you need to for your food.

Eating a balanced diet takes a bit of work, but it's not that difficult.

There are some great articles about these topics which are written by our Spark People registered dietitian. A great place to start is to go to the Spark People homepage and click on the link labeled nutrition (under articles and videos).

I wish you much success on your journey towards better health/nutrition.

Edited by: LOVE4KITTIES at: 2/4/2013 (14:55)
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2/4/13 2:03 P

Love, any artificial sweetener is bad for you, your liver cannot filter it out and stores it as fat. Hence so many overweight diet beverage drinkers. Plus, it is linked to optic nerve degeneration, osteoporasis, and other health problems.

As far as a balanced diet. I don't care what someone eats, most people don't have a healthy diet. Food stuffs is geneticlly altered, pumped full of hormones, preservatives, and medications, sprayed with pesticides, never sees the light of day in dirty, over crowded facilities they call farms, and is shipped across countries before it sits in a store. It is nutritionally void, unless grown locally and organiclly.

Are the people doing the research the same ones that say butter is bad and dairy is good and menopausal women should take Black cohosh? Butter is devoid of chemicals that are hard on the liver and not processed. After 2 yrs of age you lose the enzymes needed to digest milk and dairy, and black cohosh has so many bad interactions with medical conditions and medications very few people should take it, but who would profit from telling women to drink green tea? The list of poor choices promoted as healthy could go on a mile. Do I agree that everyone needs a cocktail of vitamins? No, that is why I no longer sell them, but do I believe no one needs any? No.

GIMME! Posts: 111
2/4/13 1:30 P

Sugar listed in the nutrition facts label can either be added sugar or naturally occuring sugar. To know the difference, you need to look at the ingredients. Someone listed the potential added sugars to look for.

I don't think a little splenda would be a problem...In my opinion, the benefits of taking a multivitamin outweighs any negative effects of a little's not like there is a lot in your vitamins.

LOVE4KITTIES Posts: 4,690
2/4/13 1:14 P

There is a lot of good research behind Splenda and there is no evidence that, when eaten in normal amounts, it is at all harmful. Unless the sweetness of it causes you to crave other sweet foods which, in turn, leads you to overeat/eat too many calories, I wouldn't worry about it.

I am wondering, though, who it is who says you need to take a multivitamin? You really shouldn't need a multivitamin (or other vitamin supplement) if you are healthy with no diagnosed vitamin/mineral deficiencies and if your diet is balanced (which should be possible if you are eating a reasonable amount of calories, even if you are losing weight).

Edited by: LOVE4KITTIES at: 2/4/2013 (13:16)
DIDS70 Posts: 5,368
2/4/13 1:01 P

I steer away from anything that has splenda, equal, sweet and low, and asparatame in it,

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2/4/13 10:31 A

No, it is something they put in the tablets to keep they together. I had an allergy test, but I cannot remember what the allergist said the chemical was. You missed the question, though. I asked about the sweetener, not about what I could be allergic or not allergic to, which I already knew the answer. Does the sweetener in the product defeat the purpose of taking, I have 1000 packs of EcoDrink, wouldn't have to buy any. (I used to be a rep for the company.)

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2/4/13 9:42 A

you have an allergy to *all* vitamins? Maybe whatever multi-vitamin you have been taking has something in it that you're allergic to... or else you'd be allergic to ecodrink as well. Do you take them with food? One of the fastest ways for me to get an upset stomach is to take them without the tummy already processing food (all but this "candy-coated" pill I found in the EU called Falvit. Love it). Also, people have iron sensitivities, so you can look for one with a lower dose of iron if you think that might be a problem.

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2/4/13 6:28 A

Knowing how bad sweeteners are for a person, I have decided to break my addiction to them. I have gone a week without them. I started that intermitted fasting plan, which is going great, but he says you have to take a multi-vitamin. I am allergic to the pills, but can take EcoDrink. It has Splenda in it. My question: Which is the the lesser of two evils? Does the benefits of a vitamin outweigh the dose of sweetener? Or should I skip the vitamin to skip the sweetener?

Thank you for any advice, Sparksters!

2/4/13 6:06 A

Hey Obies!

NIRERIN hit it spot on :) Lactose is the sugar naturally found in milk-products.

Reading the ingredient list is a great way to go, and make sure you're getting natural foods. Maybe you've already heard this, but just in case:

There are many names for different types of sugars. So when you read the label, also look for:

Agave nectar
Anhydrous dextrose
Brown sugar
Cane crystals
Cane sugar
Corn sweetener
Corn syrup
Crystalline fructose
Evaporated cane juice
Fruit juice concentrates
High-fructose corn syrup (HFCS)
Invert sugar
Malt syrup
Nectars (peach nectar, etc)
Raw sugar

These are all added sweeteners/sugars

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2/3/13 5:35 P

gotcha. Thanks

I was so focused on reading nutrition info...I didn't even think about ingredients. I'm sure if I read the INGREDIENTS on the container of plain Greek yogurt, there is no sugar listed.

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2/3/13 9:32 A

yes, there is naturally occurring sugar in oats.
the lactose part was for the yogurt. yogurt is made from milk, part of milk is sugar, therefore there should be sugar in dairy products even without adding any additional sugars.
sorry i answered in reverse order.

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2/3/13 9:20 A

I cooked them in water; no milk added. The nutrition label is on the oats; for a 1/4 cup serving.

I guess there is some kind of naturally occuring sugar in oats?

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2/3/13 9:12 A

i'm no dietitian, but lactose is a sugar, which is part of what milk is. so you shouldn't be able to get milk without it [at least the cow kind], though i don't pay any attention to what they do in the low and nonfat milks these days.just read the ingredient list and if you don't see a sugar added, then what is in there is from the dairy.
i would say that if the only thing on your ingredient list is oats, then there is a little sugar naturally occurring in them.

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2/3/13 8:44 A

I'm doing the 28 Days Later No Sugar Challenge. No added sugar and no artificial sweeteners.

ingredients for breakfast this morning: 100% natural whole grain steel cut oats

nutrition liable info: 1g SUGAR

does that mean it's naturally occurring sugar?

I was also shocked to see there is sugar in PLAIN Greek yogurt!

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