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MICHELLEXXXX SparkPoints: (12,229)
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12/5/13 9:01 A

Who is the author of that book please?

ASCHU2 Posts: 78
12/5/13 8:38 A

This is my #1 problem. I've always enjoyed quality food, and I've always enjoyed large quantities of quality food. I've rarely fallen to crappy junk food, (i.e. shelf-stable cookies, store brownies, etc.), but I can maul through an entire wedge of soft brie with bread like I've never eaten, or a quality microbrew, and that sets off an entire binge. I'm really still struggling with calling myself a "food addict," but that does seem to be the case. Sometimes I get overwhelmed with how far I have to go in my relationship with food. The new thing in my life is that I fell in love with veggies and healthy food more than I ever had, so I eat large quantities of those. For now, I'm trying to be happy about that development and continue working on the larger picture. I don't know if I'll ever be the kind of girl who likes rich food in small quantities. My future is hazy that way, but I try to be hopeful.

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12/5/13 3:37 A

I love to eat and I love food - I am working on joining those two with being healthy.

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12/5/13 1:25 A

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KAPELAKIN Posts: 1,984
12/4/13 8:42 P

I highly recommend that you read the book The End of Overeating. It will open your eyes to WHY you crave junk food, and why it's a self-reinforcing cycle, and give you some ideas on how to break that cycle. I really can take or leave junk food now; I'll have it occasionally, but it doesn't have nearly the hold on me it used to, and I enjoy healthier food much more than junk these days. As other people have said, your tastes can and will change profoundly; it doesn't happen overnight, but it does happen.

JMCCAIN4 Posts: 10
12/4/13 6:34 P

I like a lot of these comments. There's some good advice here. I have just one idea to add:

I have just recently begun to practice mindfulness meditation. Mindfulness is good for a lot of things, but in particular the practice of mindfully eating can help you fully enjoy your food, eat it more slowly, and you will actually feel more satisfied with less food. Many people have touched on this theme that when we are just inhaling food we are not enjoying it. Trying to completely remove all distractions, sit and focus solely on your food, explore it, poke at it, really look at it, smell it, and experience the sensations it gives you in your mouth, on your tongue is a surreal experience. If you think you love food, try really experiencing at least one meal a day this way. It helped me to eat less on Thanksgiving, and make the most of that much anticipated meal!

12/4/13 5:50 P

I'm in agreement with a lot of what other people have been saying!

A lot of the time we think we're enjoying the food we're eating but really we're not. I definitely had this problem with chips where I would just keep eating and eating them and my reasoning was always well I like them and they taste good. Over time however I began to realize that I was just mindlessly pursuing that fleeting taste but wasn't actually enjoying it, let alone savoring it.

A big problem with food nowadays is that you have a lot of cheap and flashy tastes that you'll crave, but that when it comes right down to it are not really that good. The more that you limit your intake of junk the more you'll crave legitimately yummy things and the more room you'll have in your intake of calories/fats/carbs/sugars/etc to have really decadent things.

Just yesterday I ate a serving of cheesies. And they were good. I enjoyed eating them, but did I enjoy them to the extent that I don't regret the 21 grams of fat they consisted of? Were they THAT good? Nope! And that's the thing I could have cooked myself a bacon cheeseburger and been SOOO happy eating that. I could have had a piece of cheesecake. Cheesecake! But instead I had a serving of cheesies that in the end weren't even that good.

The important thing is picking and choosing where you splurge and making sure that you dont waste all your available intake range on things that aren't giving you any nutrients or benefits. Those cheesies didn't give me any protein, fibre, vitamins, etc so not only was I eating something that wasn't even that good to begin with, I was also basically eating fatty air... Not so good.

One thing that's helped me is to think of eating in terms of finances (which I'm so much better at controlling). I have a budget of calories, fats, carbs, sugars etc that I can spend and I have a list of necessities that I have to spend my budget on (good fats, fibre, protein, etc) which are similar to paying rent and my electricity bill. If I don't take care of my necessities out my budget my electricity will be cut off and then how will I watch Survivor!? Not

ALGEBRAGIRL Posts: 1,925
12/4/13 4:45 P

The sex metaphor again....!

Sometimes I have 'wolfed down' a fast food burger - and I always regret it. The wolfing down part, not the food. What really bothers me is when I've eaten something, good food, healthy food, junk food, fast food - whatever - and I can't recall what I ate. This happens when I didn't spend much time preparing it, serving it, eating it. Time constraints.

Edited by: ALGEBRAGIRL at: 12/4/2013 (16:49)
CHRISTASP Posts: 1,620
12/4/13 2:46 P

I recall an article by Geneen Roth in which she says that many people say 'but I love food'.
Her reply comes down to: if you love something, you savor it, you pay attention to it, you enjoy it. If you love food it would be logical to savor every bite, to eat consciously, to pay attention. To taste it well and to chew thoroughly. Do you do that when you eat junkfood? Or do you wolf it down? Chances are that in that case, you don't really love the food.

You may like to check out Geneen Roth's books or her free newsletter...

EELPIE Posts: 2,700
12/4/13 11:46 A

Ha ha..I did too :)

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12/4/13 11:40 A

ANARIE - I love your food / sex metaphor!

Edited by: JMOUSE99 at: 12/4/2013 (11:40)
MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 17,519
12/4/13 11:34 A

I agree with Algebragirl, I do love bacon cheeseburgers. And if a diet meant that I could never have one again, with French fries. I couldn't stick to it.

It is about finding moderation. There are many people that can stick to strict diets where they cut out their happy food. I am not one of them.

FIFIFRIZZLE Posts: 2,148
12/4/13 11:31 A

Here's a question, for those of us that love to eat: what loves to eat? Is it your stomach? Is it your body? Your liver, your heart, your digestive system, maybe your hips or your belly, or your double chin? Your knees or your other joints? Your arteries?Is it your mouth? Is it your brain? Is it your habits? Your thoughts?
What do those things love you to eat? Do they all love junk food?
Give them all a chance by feeding them what they love.
My body tells me about what it wants more and more, the more I listen. I created a quiet space by going on a three week very low calorie diet eating specific foods, and now my eating has changed drastically because it is what my whole body wants. Sure, it will cope with junk when that is what I want. I guess my I has expanded, and the whole me doesn't want junk so much any more.

Edited by: FIFIFRIZZLE at: 12/4/2013 (11:49)
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12/4/13 11:27 A

I love good food so I still eat it bt in smaller portions, if I couldn't eat specific foods I would not be able to go on

KDYLOSE Posts: 1,641
12/4/13 10:54 A

I love to eat, but there comes a point during a binge where I'm not enjoying it any more, and I'm very aware that I'm not enjoying it anymore, and yet I can't stop. That's not loving to eat, that's addiction.

As you pointed out, it's not like an addiction to alcohol where we can just give it up. But certain foods as well as certain situations are going to trigger that addiction, and I can choose to stay away from them.

As someone else noted, loving to cook and to find new foods is also part of loving to eat, and I find that cooking delicious healthy dishes gives me a different way to be involved with food.

Edited by: KDYLOSE at: 12/4/2013 (11:06)
WHEELS54 Posts: 492
12/4/13 10:35 A

I love to eat good bread and butter; its like crack for me. After 40 years of yoyo dieting, I can tell you that you can have anything you want but you can't have everything you want. I am a lot pickier about my indulgences. It's time to make some choices about what is most important to you. Food will always be available.

BUNNYKICKS Posts: 2,433
12/4/13 10:22 A

Seems to me that was her point, a rhetorical question, suggesting that the OP should treat herself the same way she would treat her kids... "but i want to! I love to!" is not good enough reason. But there's nobody to tell us "no" except our own selves.

RUSSELL_40 Posts: 16,826
12/4/13 9:47 A

Anne - I started having problems when I moved out of my parents house. Maybe it is because my parents were born in the 40's, and remembered how to parent, but we didn't debate anything with them. They told us how it was, and that was it.

No one needs to explain things to their kids. Just tell them what to eat, and how much. The answer to all those questions is... because I told you to.

They are children. They will do what you tell them to, and within a month, whatever parameters you set for them will become habit. So they will know that you are only going to allow them to eat so much candy at one time, if any. They will know 9 p.m. is bedtime. They will know they have to eat ALL their vegetables.

It is called parenting. It isn't a discussion, parents are the boss. If kids are trained properly, they just follow what you say to do. If you show them how to eat properly, they will still love to eat.. just that they will love to eat healthier foods.

There is a huge difference between loving to eat, and loving to eat certain foods. If you crave certain foods, then you have a huge problem. If you just like eating, then you can make large, healthy, delicious meals.

They may rebel, and eat fast food in their twenties, but they always have that information to return to. They can go back to eating healthy foods, when they hit 30, and realize they gained 50 lbs, and want to be healthier.

ANNE007 Posts: 153
12/4/13 8:34 A

What would you tell a child who asked why they can't eat all their Halloween candy at once? What if they just love Halloween candy? Or if they asked why they can't stay up until midnight on a school night? Or why they can't omit vegetables from their diet?

We all like to eat, and there is a reason why junk food is popular.

Maybe it would be helpful to have a hobby, or something else to occupy your time so eating isn't a hobby. Find other things you love.

SUSAN727 Posts: 1,880
12/4/13 8:26 A

Great answers to this question and I don't know what else to add.

For myself, I need to find other activities to fill in the time and keeping the eating on schedule; not binging out.


ANARIE Posts: 13,192
12/4/13 12:59 A

You know, I think it's actually a bit *easier* for those of us who love food. If you love food, you can love food that's good for you just as much as food that's not. There's a real joy in going to the produce aisle of the most upscale market in your city and telling yourself, "I can have anything I want here, because I'm not spending money on chips and packaged cookies." I mean, a bag of Doritos is like $3 or something nowadays. I can get a head of Romanesco for that, and there's a lot more beauty in that than in anything Frito-Lay makes.

Being a total and complete food snob is a great step in the right direction. Vow never to waste your calories on any high-calorie food that is not perfect. Packaged cookies, etc, are just not worth it.

I think it's also important to recognize that there is NOTHING WRONG with enjoying food. When you're overweight or obese, people make you feel like you don't have a right to eat nice things, like you shouldn't be seen with food in public, and so on. IMO, that's one of the things that actually leads to having emotional problems with food.

Enjoying food is kind of like enjoying sex. You should never let anyone make you ashamed of that feeling-- but you do have exercise discretion in how often you indulge in it. You can't spend all your time in bed with any random semi-attractive person you meet, and you can't eat whole packages of "just okay" junk food. That doesn't mean you should feel badly about wanting it; wanting it is natural and healthy. Actually doing it, on the other hand, must have some limits.

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12/3/13 9:56 P

I love food too but I love life more!

ATHENA1966 Posts: 3,974
12/3/13 8:15 P

I love this thread! You all just motivated me to up of the couch and make some lovely Paprika Chicken with fresh green beans and mushrooms on the side, yum!

EELPIE Posts: 2,700
12/3/13 6:57 P

I found popchips!!! :)

AMSTERDAM10 Posts: 36
12/3/13 6:57 P

Of course I love food! I wouldn't be here without it. I've tried the pop hips, the veggie stir, the vegetable chips. They aren't bad, and do satisfy my need for crunch. But, one of the best pieces of advice I got on this site was to just not keep the bad food around. If its there, I will think about it, crave it and give into it. Shopping is tough. I see the snacks and I have to make a conscious choice not to buy it. I have learned from much trial and error that I just can't have it around. Oh and salty leads to sweet which leads to salty which leads to sweet which ends up with stomach pain and lots of self-loathing. I really want to avoid that!

ALGEBRAGIRL Posts: 1,925
12/3/13 6:34 P

Popchips are made by a company headquartered in San Francisco. They aren't baked or fried, just made like one of those huge disks that Whole Foods markets 'pop' on site. Except they're small, thinner, like chips - and made of potato. Quite good! They say on the package that they do it with heat and pressure.

Sometimes, I'm up late and I realize that no matter what I'm doing, my mind is scanning the kitchen, like a beacon! I know I want something.... salty! Or....sweet! Or... crunchy! Eventually, I remember that there's a fiber one bar (chocolate, crunchy, sweet) or some tortilla chips made with canola oil (very low saturated fat) or even a potato to bake and top with a little canola/butter mix and top with non-fat cottage cheese. Hot and savory? Cold and Savory? Bingo! I'll zero in on something that I want - without hunger driving me, just a craving for a taste. That's when I want just to 'minimize the damage.' Keeping certain things in the cupboard really helps.

Edited by: ALGEBRAGIRL at: 12/3/2013 (18:38)
JUSTME9898 Posts: 2,917
12/3/13 6:26 P

I love to eat also. But I tend to eat whenever I am bored. Now instead of eating when I am bored I plan to eat. I go on line and look up recipes fro different cultures and then plan what day I am going to cook one. If I am still restless, I'll go shopping for my New foods and maybe even fix it that day.
I still love food, but I am more involved in experimenting with new tastes and seeing what healthy foods are the most satisfying.
Retiring this year has given me the time to change a lot of habits.

EELPIE Posts: 2,700
12/3/13 6:21 P

ha ha ha - I'm talking one of those full size bags!! I'm glad you still stayed in your calorie range today - chips is one food I can't have in the house...I just get mindless with them.

Sour cream and onion were my favourite flavour! I never tried popchips, what are they? I've tried doing those small snack bags in the past, but it doesn't help that I will have 5 of them ;)

I had a salad for dinner with light Ranch dressing, turkey and cheese with a ton of fresh ground black pepper.

I believe in getting as much flavour now for my bang, if I feel deprived in anyway, I start getting wicked cravings. I've been using a lot of hot sauce lately to give my dishes a nice kick. I've got to enjoy the food I eat, or I won't have any success.

ALGEBRAGIRL Posts: 1,925
12/3/13 5:33 P

Eelpie, I 'inhaled' an entire pack of chips today. that was my lunch. I was in my car and ate every bit of the chips on the way home from the supermarket. After having spent the whole morning at a lecture.

They were sour cream and onion popchips. The entire bag was 3 oz. 360 calories for the whole bag. Sodium not too bad (24% of daily value for the whole bag).

It was a good lunch because I did not go home and then eat lunch, making that just a kind of snack. More important: I liked it and it did not push me over my calories for the day. Dinner is quorn burritos. Still not pushing me over my calories for the day. Where's the green veggies? Bagged salad. Next to nothing calories there, so I'll have to dress the salad lightly. Throw in some non-fat cheese and it's all good.

A whole bag of sour cream popchips is smaller than what Frito-Lay makes. And fewer calories.

Edited by: ALGEBRAGIRL at: 12/3/2013 (17:35)
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12/3/13 5:19 P

I keep thinking I like fast food, but then I eat it and I am always kind of sick afterwards. I am much more likely to make my own version of things now--a homemade burrito instead of Taco Bell is one of my favorite treats. You can add veggies, use less cheese and have something much healthier for fewer calories.

I still have plenty of treats, even when sticking to an eating plan. Some treats are ones I budget for, like going out for ice cream, and some treats are ones that I never would have considered as treats before. If you've never made one ingredient banana ice cream, you're in for a treat!

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a cheat day. They're best if you budget for them; eating two hundred calories under your maximum calorie count for five days gives you an extra thousand calories to play with, or you can up your workouts so that you can eat more.

Edited by: LULUBELLE65 at: 12/3/2013 (17:41)
EELPIE Posts: 2,700
12/3/13 4:21 P

It's funny looking back!!!

Inhaling half a bag of potato chips was normal for me as a snack. I've been grooving on Granny Smith Apples lately as a go-to snack (so deliciously tart!!), and my bf came home from the store sans my beloved apples...sigh. That was the one thing I was so looking forward to!! He had to stop on his way home the next day and pick some up for me :)

Popcorn is another favourite of mine now, too. Lots of fiber, few calories - for me it's totally guilt free snacking.

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12/3/13 4:15 P

Mmmm, Bunnykicks, I've never played around with curry. Do you have a recipe?

I agree, eating well certainly does not have to involve deprivation. One of my favorite meals is roasted sweet potatoes with olive oil and smoked paprika, a kale salad with cranberries and fig balsamic vinegar and a turkey burger. Easy and full of flavor. I make sumptuous stir-fries and delicious salads, rich soups and snack on pomegranates. I hardly ever eat more than 1200 calories a day, but I am not deprived AT ALL.

BUNNYKICKS Posts: 2,433
12/3/13 4:02 P

Oh, this thread just makes me happy! emoticon

So many examples of people that have found ways to retain the joy of eating and enjoy their food!

It is my sincere belief that "deprivation and punishment" can never lead to sustainable life changes. I just can't imagine looking forward into a future where I knew that everything I ate was going to taste like cardboard, in portions that were going to leave my stomach aching.... where I was going to "have" to eat limp celery dipped in cottage cheese "because that's how you lose weight" - HECK NO.

So make it an enthusiastic exercise in abundance!

This thread made me think of "what i'm eating today compared to same time last year"....

Last Year Typical Breakfast: Couple cups of Cheerios in milk (300-ish calories). YAWN!
Today: A Bunnykicks version of egg fu yung (cabbage, onion, mushroom sauteed with minimal added fat in a non-stick pan, seasoned with a dash of chicken boullion powder and a drop of sesame oil, topped with a one-egg omelette), with a side of yogurt and frozen berries as a mid-morning snack.(300-ish calories). YUMMMM! Chinese food fix, without the buffet! YUMMM! Eating what I *want* at breakfast, instead of being chained to "breakfast food thinking" - cereal, toast, pancakes, ho hum.

Last Year Typical Lunch: A&W Chubby Chicken 2-piece + fries & slaw (1200+ calories). Yum, or so I thought, even though I'd feel bloated with or without associated stomach cramps and heartburn... which kind of takes away from the Joy of Eating, yes?
Today: Leftover pork chop with caramelized onions and apples and a half-cup of barley-mushroom pilaf (about 400 calories). YUMMMMM! This was such a good recipe! Adding it to my personal collection!

Last Year Typical Dinner: large portion of pasta, with sauce from a jar and 1/3# of ground beef added to it. Plus parmesan cheese. Plus bread. And butter. (1200+ calories, EASY). Yawn. Boiled noodles. Again. Really, not too interesting....
Today: (if all goes as planned) - heaping bowl of fish curry with coconut milk, replete with so many vegetables that I will barely be able to eat it all. Maybe rice? Maybe not. (500-ish calories). Ohhh yum yum yum yum yum yum yum I'm SO looking forward to going home and making this! Salivating already!

Last Year Typical Snack:
Oreos (can't just stop at one. or three. maybe at 10?) (500 calories?) Blech, they don't even taste as good as they did when I was a kid - have they changed the recipe? But, I'd eat one after the other after the other, anyways, till they were gone.
Today: glass of wine, slice of fresh pineapple, and a couple of "Ginger thin" cookies (150 calories give or take). YUM!

So, yeah. Last year, I'd consume 3000-3500 calories in a typical day, and be pretty "ho hum" on most of it (though I did have myself convinced that I loved the fried chicken, can't lie). This year - bigger portions, better tasting, more satisfying, more fun, more interesting, MORE ENJOYABLE. And... 1400 calories give or take.

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12/3/13 3:59 P

I think the point that not all of us are emotional eaters is a good one. We seem to be a minority here on SparkPeople.

I didn't get fat because I used food in unhealthy ways--I got fat because I was ill (my pituitary gland failed following brain surgery) and because my metabolism can't support regular portions or a normal quantity of carbs. I still enjoy food and love cooking, but I've just had to learn to choose very carefully and put the focus into freshness and quality.

It is entirely possible that there is not a deep emotional issue for your eating--but you still need to re-evaluate and change what you are doing if you want to lose weight.

RUSSELL_40 Posts: 16,826
12/3/13 3:52 P

I used to eat a lot of food, and I will always love food. I had a problem with carbs causing me to binge. So cutting carbs helped me with my overeating, but I also liked to just eat. I still do. I eat around 2100 calories a day now.

Since you don't have the problem of overeating being caused by some factor outside your control, then you can make changes much easier. You don't need to overcome anything.. except your wish to eat some of the food that is bad for you.

While it wasn't my goal, I learned to eat more vegetables on low carb. I find that while I love to eat, if I put some olive oil, in a pan with a little meat, and a LOT of veggies, that I can eat around the same calories, but much greater volume. I get to actually eat more food, just not extra calories.

Yes, you would have to stop eating fast food, but I am assuming that you are willing to give that up, or there is no reason to be discussing weight loss. If you CAN'T give it up, then you have a problem with fast food. If you just refuse to, you are beyond help.

Once you stop eating garbage, and start making healthy meals, you can pick foods that you want to eat. At this point you have choices. You can eat high calorie foods, and eat a smaller volume. I can cook 4 XL eggs, in 2 T butter, and that is 560 calories. Or I can decide to put 6 ozs of b/s chicken thighs in 2 T olive oil, and add some zucchini, tomatoes, mushrooms, onion, and peppers. I can manipulate this to be around 560 calories also, but it is at least double the volume.

So you have to ask yourself, do I just like eating more? If so, eating this 2nd meal is possible for you, and while you may choose different vegetables, oil, or meat, you can follow the idea. Mix some highly dense calories, with some lower density calories. This would have to be derived from a list of foods that you can eat ( you like ). This would require change, but since you don't have an "addiction ", you can switch foods. Regardless of what you decide to eat in particular, you can eat healthier foods if you want to. Especially vegetables. This will increase the volume of your meals, and allow you to eat MORE, which is what you like to do. You can eat less calories, and MORE food, which will allow you to lose weight, and get healthier.

The other option is that you like to eat certain foods, and YOU DO have a problem that you must address. You can't make the switch to healthier foods because you only like fast food, or some unhealthy food, and just want to eat those, to the exclusion of other foods. Then you need to address this problem, and you can then make the switch.

Edited by: RUSSELL_40 at: 12/3/2013 (19:40)
HTAMALE Posts: 110
12/3/13 2:14 P

I love food too. I like cooking it, shopping for it (farmer's markets, whole foods, etc), eating it, sharing it. I have a cookbook collection and subscribe to several magazines. Junk food doesn't taste good to me anymore after I get used to eating healthy. It takes a while and one little slip can send me right back into old bad habits. I have a problem with portion control because I love food so much. My son's joke that I'm ultra nourished because I do eat my share of fruits and veggies along with all the other stuff.

I didn't want to admit it, but I do eat for emotional reasons as well. I hope you're not in denial cause you wouldn't be hurting anybody but yourself. When I opened my eyes to why I was snacking so late at night it made it a little more clear and most nights I'm able to choose something low calorie that will satisfy my desire to snack. Not always, but most nights. I'm just starting to be serious about weight loss and I'm finally seeing results!

Hope you find the answer you're looking for. Good luck and best wishes for a happy, healthy holiday season.


JAMIRBLAZE Posts: 1,804
12/3/13 2:12 P

I love food. I'm a foodie and love to bake and cook.

My solution? Not eat "diet" food, for the most part. Instead, I cook tasty, delicious food that I enjoy eating. I just eat less of it, and incorporate more of the food groups than I would have before. Eatingwell is probably my favorite source of recipes. More flavorful foods are more satisfying to me than the standard old potato chip.

I also allow myself to indulge in really high quality or special foods from time to time. Instead of eating candy, ice cream, etc., I often tell myself that if I'm going to spend the calories, I'd rather do it on high quality chocolate or a homemade baked good - the sort of stuff that I can't afford to buy or make every day. If I'm on vacation, I'm going to be 'naughty' at places that I can't find at home and are unique to that environment, not by getting a burger at McDonald's.

SIMONEKP Posts: 2,764
12/3/13 2:11 P

I'm with ya. I didn't overeat to compensate for anything. I started by eating more filling foods and cutting back on the junk, eventually, you don't miss it at all.

ICEDEMETER Posts: 1,332
12/3/13 2:00 P

I'm totally with you on the "just love food" thing. I honestly haven't discovered any underlying emotional reasons for overeating, I don't binge, and the only "trigger" food that I've found is salt (I had to increase my sodium intake on doctor's orders, and had to do some work to figure out that I need to add fat, too, or the salt makes me insatiable).

Bunnykicks is singing the same song that I am, in that I really have dedicated myself to finding the most delicious and most satisfying ways to meet my nutritional needs. There are a few restaurants around here that cook real foods, but I had to learn to cook most meals myself. I found that I could play on my love of veggies for volume, and that I could put together simple but strongly flavourful sauces. I apparently am impossible to satisfy with any volume of more bland food --- I need to add a strong flavour punch in order to feel satiated.

I'll admit that I've never been a major fan of fast food, but I definitely lived on more than my share of junk. It really was more convenience and habit, and not a "love" of the "food" itself. What has worked for me has been finding substitutions that I actually prefer. A few examples:

- instead of sharing a bag of chips in the evening, the Man and I share a massive bowl of air-popped popcorn (made with 1 Tbsp of butter, and 8 dashes of salt) --- lots more volume, lots of taste, and a welcome shot of fibre

- instead of fries as a side with a meal, I'll chop all kinds of mixed root vegetables into 1" cubes (turnips, squash, parsnips, carrots, sweet potatoes, potatoes, onions), give them a spritz of olive oil, a dash of seasonings (onion powder, garlic powder, basil, rosemary, cardamom, coriander, dill, or paprika) and roast them --- the mix of flavours is far more satisfying to me than the greasy salt of fries

- instead of pasta, I'll serve my favourite meat tomato sauce over a massive bowl of lightly steamed cauliflower and broccoli --- tons more volume, and tons more flavour

- instead of picking up a burger, I'll make a massive meatloaf (filled with steel-cut oats, and oat bran, and apples, and veggies) and freeze it in portions so that I can just heat one up quickly --- served with a topping of a quickly mixed sauce (sometimes spiced tomatoes, sometimes maple ginger, sometimes hoisin with blackstrap molasses, sometimes a curried fruit), it makes a meal that is just as quick, tastes a ton better, and has some actual nutritional benefit as well

- instead of ice cream, I'll have 1/2 cup of plain yogurt mixed with 1 tsp of maple sugar, 1 Tbsp of good quality cocoa powder, and add nuts, or fruit, or dark chocolate chips to get the flavour that I want along with whatever nutritional areas I want to address (chopped figs if I need more fibre, raspberries if I need more vitamin C, almonds if I want more healthy fats)

Seriously, my tastebuds have totally changed, as have those of the Man. He was eating fast food for a few days last week when I was in hospital, and both of us were just craving "real" food by the time I got out. Even though I'd declared last week to be a "no tracking week", we're both so "trained" in the changes, that he automatically weighed out my portions for each meal after I got home. First meal back: cod sauteed in chopped tomatoes, onions, garlic, and red wine vinegar (with basil and sage and oregano) with a side of brussels sprouts --- we were both absolutely craving a meal with 3/4 of the plate covered in veg!

I think that making this a lifestyle change is made much easier if you cater to your own particular preferences and tastes. There is a learning curve in figuring out what it is that you really loved about fast foods and junk, and then taking that knowledge to make more nutritious meals that incorporate the tastes and textures that you want. Once you can honestly say that you prefer the healthier foods that you make yourself because they taste better and they make you happier, then I've found that there are no worries about "back-sliding" --- who wants to go back to eating things that you don't like as much?

I have found that it's a lot of fun, and really satisfying, to come up with sauces and mixtures that are easy and make my tastebuds happy! It lets me keep my undying devotion to food, preparing it, eating it, and sharing it with friends and family, while changing the primary focus to nutrition instead of convenience and habit.

JMOUSE99 SparkPoints: (197,165)
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12/3/13 1:35 P

You can love your food AND eat it in moderation. It ain't easy, but you can learn to do it.

MICHELLEXXXX SparkPoints: (12,229)
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12/3/13 1:26 P

I think its ok to enjoy an activity, as long as you love/honor yourself more. I believe anything in excess is potentially harmful.
I enjoy running. When i got a stress-fracture from running too much, my doctor told me to cut back on running. I did, because I love my body/health more than running.
I think it is important to love God and people only, not inanimate objects.
"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." -1st John 2:15-17

Edited by: MICHELLEXXXX at: 12/3/2013 (17:03)
-RUBIES- Posts: 6,154
12/3/13 1:22 P

Who doesn't love to eat... I know I do, but, my love for food is what got me to 200 plus pounds. I don't ever want to go back there. Ever!

My suggestion is for you to use your food tracker faithfully. Track absolutely everything, everyday. Is it inconvenient sometimes, yes, but the reward is worth it.

As for fast-food, take a closer look at what you are consuming and start weeding one thing out at a time. You don't have to give it all up forever if you don't want to, but, I'd back off of some of it at least. Once you without for a while, you don't want to go back.

You have what it takes to make it happen.

EELPIE Posts: 2,700
12/3/13 1:13 P

oooh I love to eat good food!!

When I started this, my perception of what was good changed. I cut out junk food, candies, etc., and started turning more towards "whole foods". The more I changed the way I ate, the more my tastes changed. The same with salt - I used to salt damn near everything I ate, now I don't - and I don't even miss it.

Today for lunch we got a bucket of KFC extra crispy and a side of coleslaw...a few months ago I would have had 2 pieces for lunch, plus the cole slaw.

I made split peas today, so I took 1/2 a cup (to add bulk to my meal)...took the skin off a thigh (will power baby!!), added a little butter and hot sauce and heated it all up.

It came to a little less than 300 calories. But the point it...I'm eating it, and it rocks!!! Seriously, it's really good :) But the point is, my tastes changed, so my food choices changed as well.

Edited by: EELPIE at: 12/3/2013 (13:22)
ALGEBRAGIRL Posts: 1,925
12/3/13 1:08 P

I love love LOVE McDonald's Big Macs, Fries, Filet of Fish, etc. If a diet means never eating that, then I'm not going to be on that diet. Period. There is room in a diet for every kind of food. It's just that when you're talking about 'room in a diet,' picture a small room, not a large room.

Loving food is my thing. Loving to cook creatively is my thing. I'm practically a vegetarian but over the Thanksgiving holiday, I had: a piece of salmon the size of a pack of cards, a six ounce steak in a restaurant, deep fried fish in a fish and chips entree and baked haddock. These things were minor players in a spree of appetizers, popcorn, shared desserts and martinis! Also, I'm talking about 4 days - a meal out every night.

It's when I experience a Thanksgiving buffet (I tried EVERYTHING but I had a very small portion of each, and it still adds up) that I realize how abundant food is at holidays. And any old time there's a restaurant offering competitive values. That includes McDonald's. I just love the taste, no more, no less.

But, it's all about calories. Now, I have to cut calories more to make up for those few days with visiting family. That's a diet I can live with.

I was taking an extremely demanding and stressful class in less-than-comfortable surroundings (4th floor walk up to the classroom), 3 hour lectures, class even when the rest of the college cancelled classes. I had a Big Mac, Fries, and a black coffee on those nights while I waited in the student lounge. It was lots cheaper and more satisfying than any stress-relieving pill and I studied while I ate. Today I drove by that building and had fond memories of that stressful time just because McD's made it a little less stressful. AND I had a choice and I took it - to eat fewer calories on the day of the class so I could do that.

Food is extremely pleasurable. And you'll be eating food for the rest of your life. You'll socialize with food. You'll celebrate with food. You'll travel and find new foods (France is particularly pleasurable in that respect, also Italy, also China, also Spain, and on and on...)

Find a diet that allows you to continue to love food. It has to suit you and your situation.

Edited by: ALGEBRAGIRL at: 12/3/2013 (13:12)
MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 17,519
12/3/13 12:53 P

I also love to eat.

So what I did was I started out by making small changes, reading labels and staying in my spark ranges.

I don't follow any specific blog or book

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12/3/13 12:39 P

I recognized that junk food was doing bad things to me. And it's going to do bad things to all of us if we are honest. Our bodies are not designed to handle sugar/fat/salt in massive quantities (particularly if paired with little to no exercise). We wind up -- sooner or later -- with obesity, diabetes, heart disease, digestion problems, fatty liver ... something. I started having signs of several of those things, or heading that way, so enough was enough. It had to go.

The thing is, once you decide to ditch the junk food, for whatever reason and whatever you're using for motivation, if you are able to do it for long enough without much resentment and without backsliding regularly, your tastes and your habits really and truly do change. Ice cream and muffins were my two big things. I also ate french fries too much. Now, I haven't had a muffin since last December, have had ice cream only once during that time, and I think I might have gotten french fries last a couple of months ago? Not sure. Ice cream tastes cloyingly nasty to me and hits my stomach like a ton of bricks, and french fries are almost always so salty it's almost hard to choke them down. And so on. It's not like all your junk food loves are going to completely disappear (I still adore pizza, but I have one slice at a time maybe once a month, and that's fine), but some of them will, and the others will be less of a problem.

(And then, oddly enough, you will have to suffer for a while with the whole "I can't even eat a slice of birthday cake anymore without feeling sick!" resentment, but that passes too.)

The thing is, not only are these foods not good for us, I'm convinced it's not even natural to like them. Just like with drugs, we have to condition ourselves to them slowly, at higher and higher doses, until finally we're eating things that are so dense in sugar and salt that a person who has broken the habit and reconditioned their body to more natural amounts of these things might actually feel sick, trying to eat them again.

One you're there, it almost takes active sabotage (or at least a lot of not-so-benign neglect) to go back. It's not a battle you need to fight every single minute of every single day.

I thought I just loved my muffins and ice cream too. Find your own motivation and it's not really that hard to to find another way to eat that you're going to wind up liking even better.

Good luck!

OLGA18 SparkPoints: (23,433)
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12/3/13 12:26 P

I also love good food, like most people.
The only thing that works for me is to just start eating healthier and using the spark tracker to make sure I am getting all the calcium, potassium, vitamins A,C,D etc which encourages me to search out food items that will help me meet those goals.
If I find myself getting off track I repeat the following to myself.:

"The goal of food is to nourish the body, not to make it bulky and unhealthy. EAT to LIVE don't LIVE to EAT."
I know that this is true and it helps to remind myself.
Hang in there, you will find a way that works for you!

BUNNYKICKS Posts: 2,433
12/3/13 12:05 P

Well. I love to eat. Boy, do I ever. I love good food, interesting food, succulent delicious food....

But when you think about it - "fast" food doesn't really fit any of those descriptors. It's NOT "good" food, it's really cheap, poor quality, and the poor quality of the ingredients used is masked by sugar, salt and fat to trick our palates into accepting it as "good." It isn't interesting! There's nothing unique about a churned out mass produced burger and frozen french fries! It isn't succulent, it isn't delicious at all, when you think about it.

So I'd say, first step is to recognize that there is a big difference between "loving to eat" and "love of fast food." You CAN have one without the other.

I LOVE to eat. And I am here to tell you that you CAN continue to love your food, enjoy your food, and have a quality relationship with your food, even while "dieting." I love everything that I make - I never eat things I don't like "just because they're good for you" or "Just because they're lower cal." I eat what I like.

Now, when I started out last January, I was a fast-food pressure-fried chicken and chips junkie. Oh my goodness. Several days a week I would eat that 1200-calorie fat bomb for lunch. And I thought I "loved" it. But 1200-calorie lunches are not compatible with weight loss, so, this habit had to go. How best to wrap my mind around "no more Chubby Chicken"? Well, I could look at it like "oh, i'm so fat, i am no longer allowed to have the chicken that i love, woe is me, sacrifice and deprivation!" - OR I could focus on "I want to honour my body and my tastebuds, by giving myself something BETTER." Then I set out to find what was "better."

Since I really do love food and love to eat, it wasn't hard to find things that I liked more. The catch is, I had to cook them at home. So, it was challenging at first to a) find recipes that looked delicious and b) shop and c) prep-and-cook. But the more I did this, the better and better my food became.

Long story short? Trade quantity for quality. Kick the cheap junk fast-food-processed-food to the door, and buy something worth eating.

LEC358 SparkPoints: (11,135)
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12/3/13 11:59 A

Well first, I made a commitment to limiting artificial ingredients in my diet. So if I wanted a potato chip, I fried them myself. A) It's easy and B) they taste sooooooooooo much better than the stuff in the bag. Then I started exploring baking chips and then using different kinds of vegetables and before I knew it my tastes had completely changed.

Basically, I didn't give up junk food, I just learned how to make better tasting versions of it.

12/3/13 11:49 A

I hope this is the right place for this...As I read weight loss books and blogs, watch videos seems as if the big focus is on finding the reason why you overeat or turn to food and fix that problem and the rest falls in line. But what if there is no underlying problem/reason? What if you just love food, and love to eat?? How do you fix that underlying problem? It's not like an alcoholic or drug addict. You can't cut food out of your life, so how do you deal with that?? I am just looking for advice from others with the same problem, how did you overcome your love of junk food?

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