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3/11/14 10:38 A

{{{hugs}}} Someone who only knows you by a post on a message board should not make nasty comments like that. We are supposed to be here to help each other, give support. I won't say I understand living with a gluten sensitivity, but we all have our own issues and bashing doesn't help.

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3/11/14 10:34 A

I can definitely relate!! Only for me, it's been an ongoing thing for a couple of weeks, not just one day. I think it's ok to treat yourself once in a while, as long as it doesn't undo all your hard work.

3/11/14 10:02 A

And I tire of people thinking they know anything about my gluten sensitivity. FYI I break out in a rash, have painful gas, bloating and then the next day I have diarrhea.

Fat and lazy? Most people with a gluten problem are underweight because gluten destroys their intestines.

What an ignorant comment.

(burns your soapbox because you just called me a liar)

Edited by: JUSTEATREALFOOD at: 3/11/2014 (10:06)
THEOTHERONE6886 Posts: 4
3/11/14 9:41 A

My favorite analogy: When you spend all the money in your bank account, you say "Well, I spent all the money. I might as well keep buying things." Treat your calorie allotment like a bank account. The more you go into "debt" the greater the impact.

As an aside, if you truly have a gluten sensitivity you wouldn't consider eating gluten a "treat". I tire of people confusing legitimate food allergies with a desire to lose weight. Eating gluten and getting fat and lazy is not an allergic reaction. If limiting carbs helps you maintain your weight, by all means do that. But please do not claim to have an intolerance when it is really a personal undermines those with legitimate, life threatening food allergies. (Climbs down from soapbox).

Edited by: THEOTHERONE6886 at: 3/11/2014 (09:42)
3/11/14 8:47 A

CALLMECARRIE- Donut holes.

Edited by: JUSTEATREALFOOD at: 3/11/2014 (08:48)
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3/11/14 8:32 A

I start with rolled oats and add accessories, almonds, flaxseed, shredded wheat fruit usually blueberries

if I do breakfast at the same time it sets the pace for the day

3/11/14 8:25 A

What are (is) Timbits?

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3/11/14 8:10 A

I like the spilled milk image. Here is a related comment by Jillian Michaels that I read in Women's Health: "If you get a flat tire, you don't get out of the car and slash all three other tires," she says. "You fix the flat, and you keep going. So you missed [a workout] today. Control your diet a little bit better and go tomorrow. It's that simple."

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3/11/14 4:42 A

Bad food choice usually equals toofleeing bloated and not motivated to exercise
In the evening a meal that has too much salt will also send me drinking and then doing bathroom runs all night long.

3/11/14 2:06 A

I respect my food triggers and limit my access. Before I eat something that might cause an issue, I do a gut double check to be sure, I've got it and so it doesn't get me.

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3/10/14 9:05 P

Unfortunately this happens to me too. Once I've had one "bad" food, or I've eaten way too much of a not-so-bad-food (like 4 or 5 cheese sticks in a row--who does that?!), my rational self disappears and I just continue to want more food-- I've often wished I could just eat one or two cookies and be satisfied like "normal" people. If I make one poor food choice, it seems I continue to make poor food choices throughout the day.

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 17,581
3/10/14 7:13 P

When I have the snowball effect. It has to do with my emotions. And nothing really to do with what I ate. I will eat whatever is available.

On Wednesday, I was feeling blue. The hideous winter weather was just sucking the life out of me. In my mind after my calorie allotment was used up. And so I knew that if I gave into the PB and J that my inner child was throwing a tantrum about. That would lead to the eating of other things.

When I get this way doesn't matter if it is bad or good. I will eat it. So I have to talk myself out of it. So far I have been good and not done this since January 5

Edited by: MANDIETERRIER1 at: 3/10/2014 (19:14)
3/10/14 4:26 P

ICED - I love peppers and make my foods hot. I guess we all have those foods that we wish we could eat but can't.

BUNNY - With my DS being very allergic to milk and me being gluten sensitive, my husband being a vegetarian and my DD just plain not liking cheese I feel bad for my servers at restaurants. We are a complicated bunch. The timbits weren't even good :( and you're right who wants to be just "normal" anyway.

Thanks again for all the positive support everyone :)

BUNNYKICKS Posts: 2,433
3/10/14 4:06 P

"Sometimes it's just a pain in the a**. Sometimes I just want to eat something like everyone else and not have to order the salad again. Sometimes I just want to feel normal."

Ohyeah, I can totally relate to this sentiment. I really do get tired of asking for special this-or-that when ordering out... and i get tired of always saying "no" when people make well-meaning offers... and I get tired of watching other people scarf back Timbits while I chew on my celery and hummus (which - is BETTER than a crummy Timbit - but - it's not the same!!!).

That's what de-rails me, more than any particular food. Just wanting to take the path-of-least-resistance sometimes, and "be normal." But then I remember, that the majority of North Americans are overweight-to-obese and... that is a "normal" I no longer wish to be.

3/10/14 3:58 P

Snowball effect reminds me of a saying I heard, "The best way to stop a food avalanche is not to start one." Easier said than done, of course.

When I fall off the track, I get right back on. No point digging myself into a deeper hole.

ICEDEMETER Posts: 1,332
3/10/14 3:54 P

I TOTALLY get the "I want to feel normal"!

I suspect that it is a major driver for a lot of folks with food allergies or sensitivities when we make choices that we know are going to hurt. It wouldn't surprise me if it isn't an occasional driver for anybody who eats out of the "norm" for their peer group, for whatever reasons.

My family members all have some sort of allergies, so dealing with it is "normal" when we're amongst ourselves, but it sure can be uncomfortable when out with others who don't have to deal with it. The Man's family all absolutely love peppers and spicy foods, and it is a horrible feeling when we join them for dinner and I know that they've completely changed how they like to eat so that I can have everything that they made. I'm deeply appreciative, and feel horribly guilty at the same time, you know?

Some days it is actually a relief to just pop some antihistamines and be like "everyone else" and just eat whatever strikes my fancy.

I've never been a donut fan, so the Timbits craving will remain incomprehensible ;)

SHERYLDS Posts: 17,511
3/10/14 3:21 P

sounds familiar....for me making bad food choices trips a signal in my head that I might as well forget the rest of the day. Bad attitude. I think it's a throw back to the 'ALL OR NOTHING' approach. I am working hard on the concept of, get back on track with the next meal....but my inner child doesn't always go along with that thinking.

Best wishes....Keep pushing

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3/10/14 1:48 P

Consider the information value of reward and punishment. Rewards tell you the thing that should be done. ("Should" NOT being synonymous with "good" or "moral" or "right" or "useful".) Punishment tells you, at best, one thing, out of an infinite number that you should NOT do.)

When we analyze repeatedly, why and how we've done the wrong thing, nutritionally, or otherwise, we are simultaneously, (a) punishing ourselves for a (mere) single wrong behavior, (b) not getting down to the business of developing the right behavior, and (c) rewarding our paralysis-by-analysis attitude.

Use the tools, here, to develop the right behavior:

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SIMONEKP Posts: 2,764
3/10/14 1:19 P

OP is a little defensive in her later posts, one thing to keep in mind is that when you post something to the message board, you are likely to see responses you don't agree with.

I think people use "i've already made one bad choice" as an excuse to overindulge, everyone knows that one bad or not so great choice doesn't mean all later decisions are dictated by the original decision.

3/10/14 1:17 P

Excellent points everyone.

It was definitely a bang for the buck type of thing and a totally conscience decision. I knew I'd pay so I wanted to make it worth it. With the exception of the Timbit's that was just a total craving, with no planning or thought, that I gave into.

I've only been completely gluten free for 2 years so I've had 34 years of eating gluten. Sometimes it really sucks being the only one that's different in a room. I try not to make a big deal out of it but some people trying to be helpful I'm sure, can make it awkward with questions and suggestions. Sometimes it's just a pain in the a**. Sometimes I just want to eat something like everyone else and not have to order the salad again. Sometimes I just want to feel normal. Only it doesn't make me feel normal. It just makes me feel sick and I need to stop doing that to myself.

Wow how cathartic :) I've never said that before.

BUNNYKICKS Posts: 2,433
3/10/14 11:55 A

I find it's a bit of a chicken-and-egg question... did the "bad" food choice lead to "bad" thinking that created more bad choices in a snowball effect? Or was it "bad" thinking that led to the first and all subsequent bad choices for the day?

I guess the question is - what led you to choose the wrap in the first place? You always get salads, you normally avoid gluten and typically watch your carbs very closely - so why did you do things differently, why did you NOT get the salad? Some thought process drove that first choice... Perhaps the same thought process that led to that very first choice was still in play later on at dinner. Perhaps it wasn't the "fault" of the specific food consumed, but originated in your mood/thinking?

I have my 'bad days', sure. And on those days, it can feel really really really hard to rein it back in and stop with the dumb choices and get back to the smart choices. I am just hesitant to say "it happened because I had x for breakfast"... because if I think that way, then it's case-closed, "x cause my problem", and I stop looking for the deeper behavioural reasons and causes. Usually if I think really hard on things, I'll discover that there WAS some reason... tired! angry! frustrated! bored! rebellious! etc. And it comes from THAT place, that I make my first "mistake" of the day. And it's BECAUSE my mind is in that place, that the first mistake becomes two, and three.

ICEDEMETER Posts: 1,332
3/10/14 11:42 A

I'm not sure if it's a "snowball effect", but when something similar happens in my life, I tend to look at it as "getting the most bang for the buck".

I'm not sensitive to gluten, but I am allergic to everything "peppers" - to the point that I have to dope myself up with antihistamines to even go in to a restaurant because I react to the smell of them. I am also sensitive to most oils (I'm ok with olive and sesame, and that's it), so avoid desserts at most restaurants since they tend to use vegetable or corn oil.

Now, the apparently sensible thing to do would be to avoid restaurants completely, and especially to avoid those cuisines that are heavily dependent on peppers. That's fine most of the time, but there are occasions when friends want to go out for dinner and want to have Persian, or Indian, or Mexican foods, and I don't want them to always feel that their choices are limited by my allergies. Besides - I enjoy those cuisines too!

So - there are days when we go out for these types of foods, I load up on antihistamines, and I thoroughly enjoy the company and the meal. I know that I'm going to feel horrible for a few days anyways, because of the allergy battle going on in my body, so I will generally order some decadent dessert that I usually would worry about bothering me. After all - I'm already going to be feeling bad, so I might as well enjoy something else that would be an issue. It's almost a "two for the price of one" idea - I'm already "paying", so get the most for the "buck"!

I make a very conscious choice to eat foods that are bad for *me*, with the full knowledge that I will pay a physical price for it. I thoroughly enjoy eating them, with no guilt, or thought of it being "cheating", or beating myself up, and absolutely consider it to be worth the "price". I feel ill for a few days, and carry on as usual. I have no worries or fears of this becoming a more than very occasional thing, and don't see it as having a negative effect on my overall health or the rest of my lifestyle. Dinners out with friends, at restaurants and with foods that we all enjoy, are something that I always want to be a part of my life, and I'm fine with consciously deciding that there are times when it is worthwhile to *me* to pay a physical price for it.

I wonder, JERF, whether your thought process was along the same lines, where you consciously made the decision to have and enjoy the burrito - knowing that the gluten was going to bother you - and figured that you might as well have a few more things that would bother you, too, so as to get the most "bang" for the "buck" of feeling ill.

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3/10/14 11:02 A

This is something that we all struggle with, I think. I try to plan ahead as much as possible... it's not always possible, but when I can, it makes such a difference.

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3/10/14 8:54 A

Agghh! I know this is hard for everyone... I think the only cure is to go to bed! I also close my eyes at the commercials if I watch TV at night because they are ALL about food. Seriously.


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3/10/14 8:44 A

I make bad food choices, but it is snaking, and late at night while I am watching TV. I don't know what happens once the day winds down, but darn it if I am not hungry around 10 p.m. I am not really sure as to how I can curb this. I do not see myself going to bed earlier, so what do I do when the late night munchies hit?

SUSANK16 Posts: 2,635
3/10/14 5:53 A

Well, this may sound funny, but I am going to say Thank you. I have had this problem from the time of childhood which I think is due to yo-yo dieting. There is sort of well okay, I am going to do it for today and tomorrow will start that final diet....oh did I say final well I might as well eat not only what I want today but as much of it as possible. But as I read through your post, I had an interesting new thought. I have been on vacation and doing a lot of walking everyday and as I have walked I have been better with my food choices, so I guess it works in the opposite direction as well. One good change led to another good change and on and on. Mostly though I think it is realizing that we are making lifestyle choices not dieting. As soon as that I am being deprived feeling comes on, it is bound to be followed up with gosh I deserve a treat for being so deprived. One. choice does indeed led to another so make the choices as good as possible, but make them lifestyle changes.

RUSSELL_40 Posts: 16,826
3/10/14 5:34 A

It was the food you ate, that removed your control.

Stop and think about it. Do you often rationalize your meals? Of course not, but you had a conversation with yourself, and said " I ate bad already, why not finish myself off with delicious Timbits " You knew it was bad, which is why you had the conversation, and despite knowing it was junk, and you would regret it later, you were powerless to stop yourself.

The " mistake " happened when you ate the first meal ( flat bread ). After that, you really weren't in control. Most of us tend to not stop until something stops us, like the sun going down, and us passing out, or when we start to feel like poo.

That's what Monday's are for. Fresh starts! You know that this is why we have an obesity epidemic in America. We just don't experience it first-hand on a daily basis, because we eat real, healthy food most of the time. Over time, we tend to forget how bad the food was, and the cravings it caused, as well as how little control we have. At this point, we think, why not? It won't be that bad!

Luckily, once you know how good healthy, real food will make you feel, this experience is so bad in comparison, that this doesn't happen again for many months, until your memory lessens, and you think why not

Have a great, healthy week, eating real food, and no gluten. Remember how you felt, and that it was all caused by the food you ate. The longer you remember the better. Just be thankful that you are not like the average person, and think this is normal. Many people live this cycle every day or 2. ((( shudders )))

Edited by: RUSSELL_40 at: 3/10/2014 (05:36)
IMLOCOLINDA Posts: 21,094
3/10/14 12:30 A

I read all the responses and wanted to share with you a great vlog from CAREN_BLUE_JEANS on the Emotional Eaters 100 Days of Weight Loss book discussion. I love what she says about if you spill a little milk you just clean it up and move on, you don't dump the whole glass or whole carton on the floor. I think you'll like this

JENBYS Posts: 39
3/9/14 10:01 P

Oh yes, I absolutely fall into this mindset. I'm a person who swings from one extreme to another, so when it comes to healthy living I'm doing either doing everything right or everything wrong. I'm getting better now about cherishing that cheat meal and not blowing the whole day. But it's also ok to just fall off the wagon somedays. I even find that if I've been really consistent for a stretch of time, that mad carb crazy day can help me - emotionally and physically. It sort of resets everything and helps me focus. But the trick is not letting that "cheat day" turn into a cheat weekend, or week or month....

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3/9/14 9:57 P

When I eat junk food, I crave more junk food. If I stay away entirely, I don't even miss it after about 6 weeks.... I've been in the cycle for years though, because if I eat any junk I can't even make it that way.

It's not een a "might as well" - though I've certainly done that-- but my "moderation" of processed food gets my mind going crazy and can lead to full scale binge even though the original choice was reasonable. Doesn't work with my body/mind.

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3/9/14 9:56 P

I eat a lot of vegetables and lean roasted poultry. My food choices are healthy and sweets don't even appeal to me. But my overeating is due to second helpings of the healthy food, even after I have eaten enough and am no longer hungry. I need more portion control.

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3/9/14 9:40 P

Ugh- the snowball effect. I'm suffering from that myself after an overindulgent weekend. We were out of town and the first bad choice (Sat lunch) set the tone for the whole trip. Once you're in "forbidden" territory it's hard to get back on track.

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3/9/14 9:27 P

It's funny, I look at it so differently. I'm much more concerned with the thought process and habits that are behind what and how I eat than I am with the exact choices themselves. I'm not sure that makes sense entirely, so by way of example:

Ok, twinkies. First, I wouldn't eat them. Nothing about them is appealing to me and hasn't been since I was probably 12 years old, so bad example. But I did used to eat a ton of other sweet things, including lots of pastries, cookies, and so on. Yesterday at a reception I had one small piece of some kind of nut brittle (and some coffee with cream) out of tables and tables of homemade treats, and in a situation where most others were choosing 2 or 3 things and then maybe going back for another round. I was very pleased with that, only slightly annoyed with myself that I had first decided to have nothing at all, then let my husband's "do you want something?" lead me to say that I did. But once I'd allowed my free will to be coerced like that in a situation where unprompted I'd have probably had nothing but coffee, I still made a choice I'm happy with and one that many a never-been-overweight person might have made and never gained an ounce long term. So I ate "crap", but I'm pleased.

Later that day was a humongous lunch at an Italian restaurant, at which I believe I made the best choices possible for me specifically in that given situation, up until the main course. This was a plate with a bit of broccoli, a small potato croquet thingy, and a decent sized hunk of salmon in some kind of cream-based sauce. It was way more than I'd normally have chosen to eat for a single meal when added to everythign else that had been served, probably a bit more in terms of calories than I usually eat for a lunch even by itself. I already wasn't remotely hungry before (though luckily was not completely stuffed even afterwards). But it was there, and it was all great food, some of which (the salmon) I get exceptionally rarely, and I ate all of it.

I'm not entirely pleased about that. Not because the food was at all bad for me, because it wasn't. But I did still eat more than I would normally have chosen to eat and by quite a lot more than that single treat earlier, and it was largely due to the social situation bypassing my normal controls.

In the long run it's not going to hurt me, of course. I already ate less yesterday evening than I would have normally, and less this morning; both felt perfectly natural, and if the calories are not perfectly evened out by now it's at least close enough to come out in the wash over time. I'm not in a situation like yesterday often enough to matter at all.

But what if I were? I'm a little bothered having eaten all of that entree because it exposes what is still my biggest weakness when it comes to food: if it's on my plate, I am probably going to finish it. I am great currently at choosing what to eat within my ideals and preferences, and great at choosign how much to eat if I am serving myself, but if someone else is doing the choosing, it really does still risk falling apart. If my lifestyle ever changes from what it is now, I'm going to have to be extremely careful.

So that's what I care about. I don't give a flying fig about eating things that might be considered bad. Only about the reasons why. And overeating healthy foods is just as problematic to me.

EELPIE Posts: 2,700
3/9/14 8:39 P

In her defense, though - I know what she is saying about "good" food and "bad" food.

I consider pop tarts to be bad food. Processed crap and chemicals. Twinkies...same thing. Bad food.

Cauliflower is good food. Chock full of nutrients that bodies thrive on.

That is the difference between good food and bad food.

If I ate 3 twinkies (the thought is revolting), I'd feel doubly guilty....that I over ate, and that I fed my body garbage.

If I ate 3 heads of cauliflower, I'd feel that I overate (volume), but I'd pat myself on the back because what I over ate on was healthy and good for my body.

VARELSE Posts: 69
3/9/14 8:21 P

For me, this snowball effect vanished when I finally stopped labeling my choices as "good" or "bad" and quit beating myself up for straying from the perfect master plan.

Beating yourself up hurts like a real workout, but it doesn't count as cardio :P. A plus, though: stopping it will feel really, really good.

MARTHA324 Posts: 6,286
3/9/14 6:02 P

That totally was the way it was for me for years. This time I had a major mind shift and stopped dieting and started eating. I aim for healthy choices most of the time and to move every day. No food is off limits so I choose sometimes to have food that is higher in calories or fat. But nothing has that forbidden element that makes it so tantalizing to "cheat."
If I overeat for one meal I am much better at not beating up on myself AND listening to my body that most often tells me to eat a little lighter the next meal or next day.

It's a process.

DMS1946 Posts: 728
3/9/14 5:47 P

It is interesting to watch people eat who do not have weight issues. They have days when they overeat just like those of us who have weight issues. However the day after they overeat rather then feeling guilty they simply eat less because they still feel "full". I am a work in progress but slowly learning to listen how my body feels rather then dwell on "how awful" it was that I overate....again.

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3/9/14 3:54 P

I believe that carbs cause you to crave more carbs, and in your case it was brownies. That's what happens to me with carbs.

Sometimes it is my intention to order my sandwich without the bun and just eat the filling. But then I decide to get the bun and just eat a bite of it and finish the rest of the filling without the bun. I end up eating the whole bun.

I get times when I want to finish off the bag of Hershey's Kisses so they aren't around to tempt me tomorrow when I get back on plan. The reason they were in the house in the first place is because I want to train myself to be able to eat one or two per day. In my heart, I know I'm not ready for that and shouldn't even be buying them.

So for me, it's better to pass on it all together rather than put myself in position to fail. It only hurts for a little while, and feels really good when you realize you stayed on plan all day.

Learn a lesson from what happened, then pick yourself up and go on.

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3/9/14 3:39 P

Sorry for double post.

Edited by: RENATARUNS at: 3/9/2014 (19:43)
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3/9/14 3:32 P

That doesn't happen to me. I wish I could say why, in order to be helpful. It might be mindset in part, the all or nothing thing, because I have zero of that.

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 17,581
3/9/14 3:24 P

It has happened to me too.

It is almost like my brain says, well we have already eaten this, it won't matter if we eat that, or that, or that. And then I wake up from my food coma feeling bad.

3/9/14 2:25 P

Maybe the gluten itself made you crave brownies and baked goods? It sounds like your body isn't used what you had for lunch and dinner, maybe that messed up your whole system. When I mess up and eat something I know better than to eat, I try to use the unpleasant physical effects to remind me next time how fleeting the enjoyment of the bad food is and how long the regret lasts.

EELPIE Posts: 2,700
3/9/14 2:18 P

Maybe it was the gluten that caused it? Maybe it was just one of those things. Every so often, no matter how well I eat (no sugar, no processed carbs, no candy, no chocolate, no junk food, no bread, no pasta) I have a day like that where I crave stuff I normally wouldn't eat. Maybe it was near your TOM? Don't worry too much about it :)

I don't know to whom you are responding ...I can't read the post above you....

Edited by: EELPIE at: 3/9/2014 (14:22)
3/9/14 2:08 P

I don't count calories so this has nothing to do the calorie content in my food. Instead I pay attention to the quality of my food.

I'm sensitive to gluten so my screw up isn't eating a wrap instead of a salad it's eating the wrap period. I didn't even get rice or beans in my wrap. I had lots of lettuce, onions, green onions, guacamole, salsa and chicken.

We went out to dinner to celebrate my husband and SIL's birthdays. I did not chose the restaurant as it was not up to me. My screw up was eating the gluten filled bun, not how many calories I ate at dinner.

Why was I still "hungry" and craving dessert when I was already so full? That's what I don't get. And why was I craving brownies and baked goods? I don't normally crave those foods.

I have no problem calling food good and bad. Pop, candy and most packaged foods are bad because they are unhealthy. Gluten is bad for me in ways I really don't want to disgust you with here. Spinach, carrots and healthy fats are good for me because they nourish my body. Sorry if you don't agree with my terminology.

ETA - Thank you for all the responses :)

Edited by: JUSTEATREALFOOD at: 3/9/2014 (14:26)
NIRERIN Posts: 14,329
3/9/14 12:50 P

"might as well make the cheat worth it" is where you go wrong. it's saying that if you're going a little off plan, you may as well go as far off plan as you possibly can. so if you were driving from washington dc to seattle, washington, it's the difference between diverting a little to hit atlanta, georgia and diverting a little to key west, florida. one of those isn't that far out of the way. the other is so far out of the way you have essentially changed your destination and timeline.
having a burrito on a wrap instead of a salad isn't a big screw up. figure 200 cals or so for the wrap and another 100 or so for a little more of the starchy filling, at least if it's anything like my local burrito place that has salads [mostly the same filling options, but some variance in presentation like salad, crunchy shell, soft shell, doused in cheese, etc]. 300 cals is something most people can work in as long as they aren't doing it all the time.
but then you go to the burger joint and have the option to determine which way you want to go. you can rein back in and be right where you wanted to be or you can go out of your way to make your life more difficult and your journey longer. one of the best things i have ever heard on this messageboard was that if you get a flat, you don't go out and slash the three good tires that you have. when you decide to "make the cheat worth it" is when you start taking the knife to the tires. i mean, what is it that you want to make this cheat worth? a whole day's calories? a whole day's fat? a week's worth of deficit? what value are you getting from this? i can't see anything good or positive or anything that would make that option seem like a good idea.
i'll also divert here to note that this is a place where what you call things and how you look at things can make a difference for some people. when you label some foods as "bad" you start to get into a certain mindset that means that if you have the "bad" food you're a failure and all of these other negative things including guilt. and guilt is an emotion. emotions have no place in the hunger satiety feedback loop that works with your digestive tract. guilt feeds back into emotional eating and has nothing to do with what's going on in your stomach. which makes it all the easier to go for dessert when you aren't hungry. because you're not addressing anything within your stomach. you've added this unnecessary layer to your eating that has nothing at all to do with the food.
but back to your day and dinner. had you had half the burger and the fries, that would have been pretty close to where you needed to be calorie wise, right? but instead of keeping your overage to 300 [again, a reasonable variance for most people] you added another 400 to the tab. 700 cals is a lot harder to make up and call a variance. and if you're sensitive to gluten a little probably makes you a little gassy and grumbly but a lot is probably enough to make you spend some serious time in the bathroom. again, you're taking something that's not a big deal and making it a big deal.
when you head out for dessert, you're taking that 700 cal overage and bumping it up to an even thousand [and yes, i'm guesstimating on calories i haven't the faintest idea what a timbit is]. so you've taken something that wasn't a issue, made it into an issue and then made sure it was too big of an issue to deal with in a reasonable manner.
your thinking states that it's easy to let something snowball. that you have to make the snowball big enough to be worth it. that sounds like a challenge to yourself to make the biggest mess/issue of it that you possibly can. so much of what we do is self fulfilling prophecy. if you go into something with the opinion that it's easier to stray if you've already wandered a little, then you'll be more likely to go farther afield than you would have if you decided that it's easier to wander back on the course. so talk yourself into that. tell yourself it's easier and shorter and better to get back to what you're doing as soon as possible. use numbers. your 300 cal burrito wander is a lot easier to deal with than the 1000 calorie burrito and burger and timbits combo. write down incidents like this to review periodically, particularly if you're as hardheaded as i am. it's one thing to generalize without looking at data, but it's another thing entirely to look at the choices you have made and realize that had you stopped at the burrito or the first bag of chips or the first pint of ice cream you would have saved a thousand calories from what you did after because you were "already off." eventually you'll hit the aha moment and stop yourself after the first one so that you can skip the second one and beyond. but it's a learning process. so it's not something to beat yourself up over because it took you three of four or four hundred tries to get it right. everyone learns at a different pace. and some of us just need more data to make the link. it's no different than learning to tie a cherry stem into a knot with only your tongue, writing in cursive, baking a cake or calculus. everyone has to put in different levels of work to get to the same end result.

Edited by: NIRERIN at: 3/9/2014 (12:51)
MISSRUTH Posts: 4,314
3/9/14 11:53 A

It's sort of that "all or nothing" mindset.... I've screwed up, so I may as well go whole hog. Or another way to look at it is, eating because I ate. I'll eat the burger and ALL the fries, because I already ate the burrito. I'll eat a dessert because I already ate the burger, fries, AND the burrito. I'm already over my calories or over my fat grams or way out in left field, over on everything.... so I might as well truly blow the day and start fresh tomorrow.

I've done that. For me, I think it comes from years and years of dieting. I was either "on" the diet, or "off" the diet. If I blew it at lunch, I saw the whole day as a loss and would make more bad choices at the other meals and snacks, telling myself I'd get back on track tomorrow. Now I focus on the mindset of each meal or snack being an opportunity to make good choices. Just because lunch may not have been a stellar choice, doesn't mean I can't choose more wisely at dinner.

QUEEN-EYDIE Posts: 12,497
3/9/14 11:44 A

Ah yes, food amnesia. This is a lesson I have to learn over and over, but it gets easier.For example, I stayed in a sugar coma this for a couple of weeks in December. For me, one sugary "treat" led to another, and then I finally get it together to get out of that and I feel so good, until the next time. And there will be a next time, but I'm so much better at recognizing when I'm trapped and have strategies for getting back to my healthy habits!

EELPIE Posts: 2,700
3/9/14 11:00 A

You had a learning experience. We all do.

I avoid fast food like the plague.

GYMGIRL52 Posts: 134
3/9/14 10:39 A

That definitely happens to me. I may feel great because I had a very healthy breakfast and later get hungry (or think I am) and make a bad choice and instead of saying "okay you made one bad choice, now make the rest of the day good ones." I make another bad choice and another. Right now I am making overall good choices. Sparkpeople is helping me to do that! Hang in there it was one not good decision-making day, we can start from right now to make better choices!!!!!!!!

Edited by: GYMGIRL52 at: 3/9/2014 (10:40)
3/9/14 10:34 A

Has anyone else noticed that once you make a bad food choice it becomes easier to make more bad choices?

Yesterday I was out and about with the kids in a city 45 minutes from home. We decided to try a fast food Mexican restaurant that I'd never eaten at before Burrito Boyz. I decided instead of a salad (again) I might as well get a actual wrapped burrito wrapped in flat bread. I don't usually eat gluten because I am sensitive to it but I thought what the heck I deserve a "treat".

Later we went out with extended family to The Works a burger joint I've also never eaten at before. Although a gluten free bun was an option I opted for a whole wheat bun, why not Might as well make the cheat worth it, right? A massive burger came with sweet potato fries and I ate it all.

On the way home I was full but really wanted dessert. I'd been bad twice already why not. Stopped in for a mint tea and a small box of 10 Timbits to share with the kids. Had 4.

I didn't feel so good about myself last night physically or mentally and today I'm dealing with the after effects of my "treat" and wondering where it all went wrong for me?

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