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FP4HLOSER Posts: 968
12/10/12 1:51 P

I would tell my friends I don't need the "food police" LOL! (I have a sister who thinks she is by the way!) Do what works for YOU! You are the one who has to follow the eating plan,not your friends or anyone else here and if what you did before worked then go back to that!


RUSSELL_40 Posts: 16,826
12/10/12 1:42 P

I don't think Paleo is dangerous. I eat 65% fat a day, and several lbs of meat. I think the #1 danger to us as humans is excess weight, not which diet we are on. Thank you to all the people not eating a lot of meat, so I

I do believe that by eating high fat, I control my hunger. That led to a calorie deficit, which led to increased exercise. This led to a higher eating range.. 2,420-2,870 calories a day. I can see how someone could look at that without any planners, and say.. he lost 140 lbs, and eats 2,600 calories a day! They aren't counting the increased exercise after losing weight.

The " metabolic advantage " I had was I exercise 1-2 hours a day now, instead of sleeping those hours. Funny thing is, I burn more calories that way! In theory, I could eat 2,600 calories of carby foods too, and weight loss would be the same. However then I binge, and those extra calories is why I wouldn't lose weight.

Calories matter, but done properly, any diet that allows you to eat the proper amount of calories, and cause weight loss is good for you, as long as you can use it long term. That is why you have to like the food on the diet. It isn't a temporary thing that you should quit.

CHEETARA79 Posts: 3,911
12/10/12 1:26 P

One of my personal rules is that I won't do anything to lose weight that I can't see myself doing for the rest of my life. Could I eliminate dairy and grains for the rest of my life in order to follow the Paleo plan? Nope, that's just not for me. In fact, I choose not to eliminate any foods at all. I am able to eat rich, caloric food in moderation.

When I track my calories and stay in range, I lose weight. Calories in-out is not a myth. It works for a lot of people.

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12/10/12 1:25 P

Many people seem to enjoy the paleo diet, but it is not for me. Like others, I enjoy eating interesting and creative foods and eating out at good restaurants, so I would never be happy with a lifestyle that "banned" certain types of food. I don't think that is mentally healthy, personally.

Also--and this is totally just my own perspective--I wouldn't ethically be OK with the high amount of meat the diet requires (pretty much every meal). I'm not vegetarian, but for environmental reasons think that reducing meat consumption (not eliminating it!) is a good idea. The world doesn't have enough resources to support 7 billion people eating meat 3 meals a day, that's for sure.

RUSSELL_40 Posts: 16,826
12/10/12 1:19 P

YOUJULEZ said it. What is right, is what works for you. I love Atkins, and have lost almost 140 lbs in the last 3.5 years on it, but it allows me to not feel hungry, and therefore eat the proper amount of calories, which is why I lose. I seem to be stuck around 220

Meanwhile my brother is down to 283 from 407 lbs, and eats carbs, carbs, carbs. He has a huge bowl of cereal for breakfast,2 sandwiches for lunch, and noodles and vegetables for dinner, plus 2 fruit a day for snacks. He rarely has any meat, but has sped up his weight loss.. 69 lbs in last 4.5 months. That diet allows him to eat the proper amount of calories.

We have both failed on each others diet. He doesn't like eggs, and I don't like noodles, or bread, so we do what works for us. You already know what works for you. Just do it again, and stick to it. When you hit GW, you will still be able to eat the same food, just a higher calorie range to maintain.

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 17,521
12/10/12 1:11 P

Paleo can work for some people, but like YoJulez it doesn't work for me.

If I went on a diet that banned Brussels sprouts. I would crave them even though I don't really like them. So I can't completely cut out anything.

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12/10/12 12:46 P

I think it's funny how your friends said calories in vs. calories out is a myth when it has worked for you before! Different things work for different people, so if paleo didn't work for you, definitely do what you do did before.

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12/10/12 12:17 P

The tough-love message about weight loss is: to lose alot of weight, keep it off, and be healthy the whole time, a person has to learn to think for themselves. There is no one-sized-fits-all solution; there is no pill; no cream; no simple-minded fad with a cute headline and a book for you to buy.

None of this replaces actually understanding what goes into your mouth, how YOUR body works...because in the real world, we often have to make nutritional decisions on the fly when we aren't cooking it, aren't at home, and that don't fit neatly into the raw veggie and fruit categories. Don't ever let someone else's easy-to-follow rules and restrictions replace your own skepticism and critical judgement. That will serve you much better in the long run with the goal to be healthy, rather than lose some quick lbs.

Good luck!

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12/10/12 12:09 P

Moderation is key. Paleo is a bit extreme - too much emphasis on animal proteins and too much fat. I'm not big on grains either or dairy other than yogurt, kefir and cottage cheese. I think the key to healthful eating is consuming mostly unprocessed foods, particularly eating a lot vegetables (raw or slightly cooked) and fruits. People should also be mindful that late in the day when most of us are not very active, caloric intake can be reduced accordingly - many people include the same starchy carbs at dinner as they do with breakfast and lunch. Often the energy from those carbs is not utilized so the excess ends up stored as fat. It is known as strategic eating but not many people employ it in their diets.

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12/10/12 12:02 P

Well I think your experience showed it still really is about calories in/calories out. You didn't lose any weight over the summer, I'm assuming you didn't gain any really either, right? So, on a Paleo diet you were probably consuming the calories you needed to maintain. Your friends who are on it, have they lost a lot of weight while on it? One person I know who is on it lost 10lbs over 18 months on it, but that's probably because before she wasn't eating a lot of veggies whereas now she is, so she is actually consuming less calories than she was before. I will say she did see other healthy benefits from eliminating wheat... her skin and hair improved and some stomach issues she was having went away... but that just shows she had a wheat intolerance. I don't have those issues to begin with so I don't see the point of eliminating wheat just because a few books and websites tell me to.

12/10/12 11:55 A


You sound like me. Everything in moderation. I just need to remember to track it--even the bad stuff I feel guilty over.

Atlanta is paleo crazy. All my friends are paleo...and they tell me calories in vs calories out is a myth. But this entire web community is based on calories in vs calories out! So how can it be the WRONG way to lose weight? I find danger in telling people, yeah, eat as much bacon and steak as you want, as long as it's not bread...

YOJULEZ SparkPoints: (15,981)
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12/10/12 11:49 A

The right way to lose weight is figuring out what works best for you as an individual, since you're the one who has to stick with it the rest of your life. You discovered that the Paleo diet doesn't really work for you, nothing to feel guilty about there.

I know some folks who really do well on a Paleo diet. Some people are just less tolerant to wheat products or to sugar. Good for them.

I am not one of those people. I am probably what one would call a "foodie", so I don't cut anything out of my diet completely and it works well for me. I don't eat tons of plain bread but I do eat a lot of pasta and rice. I try to buy organic non-processed stuff as much as I can because I DO believe it is better for us, but because of the cost I'm not always able to do so.

12/10/12 11:37 A

Hey guys,

I have been a sparker since 2006, though mostly dormant, I'm back again because I've forgotten about mindful eating and exercise.

I lost 35 pounds with sparkpeople. It made sense to me. We need to take in less calories to lose weight. We need to burn more calories through out the day. We need to drink more water, and fit in more time in our sneakers.

I got down to my goal weight and kept it for a couple years. Now I'm back, but with more questions....

The new thing that's taken the world by storm is the paleo/primal lifestyle...where you eat nothing but organic veggies and grass-fed meat. Period. No breads, wheat, grain, corn, soy. Advocates promise a life without calorie counting...just high fat, low carb eating,...and weight loss to follow.

I tried it over the summer, but saw little to no weight loss...and my cravings for WHOLE WHEAT was through the roof. Advocates of paleo say even whole wheat leads to diabetes, obesity, and cancer.

I feel like I'm a quitter. But I just want to go back to calories counting and moderate exercise.

What's your take? Is there a right and wrong way to lose weight? Is paleo as healthy as we are told?

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