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ALI_AFTER Posts: 11
11/20/13 4:20 P

Not askeered of chicken nuggets "without bite marks" laced with prankster drugs being served to my child at a share table. LOL!!!

SIMPLYME80 Posts: 406
11/20/13 2:52 P

I was wondering because I never seen this done before and hope it is isolated to only the school in the area we moved into. I have reported it.. and given many excuses to why. I'm Not trying to scare anyone and feel if the food items are still in the unopened wrapper, it will be ok to give to another student.

RUSSELL_40 Posts: 16,826
11/20/13 12:51 P

One of two thing is true.. either Obama is evil , and hands down the rules to all health dept.'s.. in this case all health dept's would have this policy. They don't, so your health dept. is unique, and in violation.. try state, and national officials.

The other option, is that each and every health dept ( county level ), comes up with their own parameters. In this case Obama would not have anything to do with what is occurring in your locale.

A third option is that Obama hates your county, and is trying to poison just you I will assume that isn't the case.

So if Obama is the problem, then it is a national problem, and is part of a national agenda. People can research whether this is true, and Becky Hand told us all what the actual NATIONAL policy is. Therefore, if true.. I still wonder how someone got into a school lunchroom... it is only a problem at your location, and not policy.

If your local health dept is in violation, I would call my Congressmen, and maybe a T.V station, instead of posting it here. This only a problem in YOUR county at most.

I think if we actually went to any school cafeteria, we might not like the food, but would see that food service is held to a higher standards than we have in our home, or in the restaurants we eat in. There is great care to ensure that it is done according to the most strict health care standards. The only places that would be close to these standards would be restaurants like McDonald's/ Burger King.

We should applaud the care which the govt. takes in feeding children in our schools, not accuse them of trying to poison them, or re-serve old food.

MJ121799 SparkPoints: (1,471)
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11/20/13 7:43 A

I have to say this reads like a Facebook "share" scare tactic. Especially the part about Obama's No Child Left Behind, I suggest you do a little research. I digress. At both of my children's schools, the kids are responsible for throwing away their uneaten food in the cafeteria garbage cans.

If this is something that is really happening and you've contacted someone about it and were told that it is "allowed", I would probably go higher up the ladder.

Edited by: MJ121799 at: 11/20/2013 (07:44)
MISSRUTH Posts: 4,294
11/20/13 7:21 A

I'd have to say that it sounds like (if true) it's an isolated incident; it is certainly not any sort of government policy or whatever. Share tables are for cafeteria food only, prepackaged, unopened type foods. Actually it sounds like a good idea; a child who forgot their lunch or was extra hungry and wanted a little more to eat, could choose something from the share table. Instead of a bunch of unopened crackers or whatever, just going into the trash.

I'd have to agree with Becky, that the op needs to pursue this with officials in her area and not on the message boards here. Locally here, there was a restaurant found to be re-plating uneaten food off customer's plates. Not prepackaged stuff, I'm talking uneaten rice etc. Needless to say, the place was shut down. I don't think there's anywhere in this country where that kind of thing would be considered acceptable by any government, whether federal or state or local.

RUSSELL_40 Posts: 16,826
11/19/13 3:36 P

The health department is getting much stricter on health violations. People need to take food certification classes to be managers now. This is at restaurants, not school cafeterias. Cafeterias were way ahead of this. Hair nets, and plastic gloves, when restaurants were disgusting. You DO NOT want to know some of the things I have seen.

Restaurants re-use sealed bread, in breadbaskets, and crackers that are unopened. The difference is, a busboy collects you meal after you are done at the restaurant. The dishwasher can pick the 2 packages of unopened crackers off, and put them aside to use later.

One has to wonder when this occurs in a lunch room. I threw my tray away when I was done with my meal. Surely, you aren't suggesting they are garbage diving? Or are you saying they collect your lunch trays?

I may not have liked the meals at school, but I believe their standards are well above what occurs in restaurants ( they are improving ), and unless you have proof, you should probably expect wonderful food service at your school. One example of a problem doesn't mean it is typical.

I haven't been to a lunchroom, since I graduated. How does one get in to observe the lunchroom procedures? My local H.S. makes everyone check in at the front office, and provide a reason for being there. Did you tell them you wanted to check out the lunchroom, to expose their poor food service practices? Or did you sneak in?

11/18/13 7:23 P

This site, our SP members and experts are unable to assist you with your concern.

Since you state it is occurring in your school district you need to be having conversations with your school district, school board, or health department.

I do not want this thread to bring about a panic with USDA school food services which are well run programs.

This is not the focus of our Sparkpeople site; please contact the appropriate authorities to determine if a food service concern is occurring.

Your SP Registered Dietitian

ELSELTZ SparkPoints: (2,912)
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11/18/13 4:57 P

The school you are visiting may be violating health codes in this way, but that does not mean it is sanctioned by any law or regulation. It is not OK to try to stir up public reaction against the law, or a specific political figure you don't like, by posts like your OP.

The specific workers violating the health code, and/or the administrator who is misreading the regulation, should be held accountable.

SUSAN_FOSTER Posts: 1,229
11/18/13 3:04 P

If you can prove it, report it. My concern is that your first message reads as political fear-mongering.

SIMPLYME80 Posts: 406
11/18/13 1:29 P

I am thinking about calling a local TV station and have them investigate. Some of the food items I witnessed being re-plated is uneaten chicken nuggets with no bite marks, french fries, salads, mashed potatoes, veggie sticks, along with other lunch items from a lunch tray. If the food Did have bite marks or half eaten, it Was thrown away. It may be ok to replate unopened sealed items, but Not off a plate/tray removed from a table that is uncovered and taken back into the kitchen to be scraped onto another plate even if untouched!

LOVE4KITTIES Posts: 4,690
11/18/13 12:36 P

You've actually seen this with your own eyes and reported it to your local health inspector and they told you it was fine? I used to share an office with food inspectors and so I know how seriously they would have taken something like this. It would never have been allowed and they would have been all over it right away.

WHOLENEWME79 Posts: 951
11/18/13 12:10 P

No, this is not a "Obama" policy. "No child left behind" was a W Bush program and encompassed many things within the educational system.

Sharing tables are typically under county or state health department regulations and apply only to prepackaged food or "whole" fruits and vegetables. It is allowed by the USDA, but overseen by local governments.

Did you actually see this? Did you see a teacher or cafeteria worker taking unfinished food (like sandwiches, open fruit or vegetable servings (not whole fruit), open milk containers, mashed potatoes, or french fries) off of a students returned or abandoned tray, and placing it on a table for others to consume?

If you actually saw that with your own eyes, go back, make a video of it, and report it to the health department, as well as a local news source. If this is what you actually saw, it is a violation of health code and needs to be reported. But be sure of what you are seeing and reporting. And be sure that you find out what your local health department allows for sharing tables, as each county and state will have different regulations.

CMCOLE Posts: 2,667
11/18/13 11:24 A

If you've witnessed this; it needs to be reported.
I'd suspect they've gone over and above any allowed actioins

OPUSEVA Posts: 1,333
11/18/13 10:52 A

If you look at the guidelines posted by Michellexxx, you will see that this only applies to packaged and whole items. Nobody is taking half-eaten sloppy joes and serving them again! Nothing to get concerned about here.

NIRERIN Posts: 14,275
11/18/13 6:34 A

i would keep calling people until someone could show me a statute. local government, state government, local news if necessary.
i remember when there was a local initiative to let restaurants donate meals [meals that would have gone bad the next day but had never left the restaurant's prep areas and so had never been touched by untrained people] to organizations that feed the homeless and there was massive red tape involved. i can't believe that this would be policy, particularly since i can't find anything regarding the program that doesn't contradict what you are saying. i'm not saying that you didn't see it and that the people you spoke with didn't claim it, i'm just saying that they are bsing or very misinformed.

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11/18/13 5:41 A

SIMPLYME80 Posts: 406
11/17/13 8:47 P

I reported this to the school and health department..both said doing this was ok. I Disagree!

NIRERIN Posts: 14,275
11/17/13 7:51 P

if you actually saw this i would report it to the administration as well as the health department. because it sounds like an institution with really lax standards to begin with is trying to bs you into not reporting a food safety violation. school cafeterias are just like every other place that people can get food. most people will follow basic food safety but there are always going to be at least a few in there who will not toss food they have dropped on the floor and instead actually serve it to people.
the only info i can find on sharing tables is from california in 2008 and it specifies that the share table must be under the supervision of an adult who is paying attention to potentially hazardous beverages [like milk] and that everything must be unopened.

LOVE4KITTIES Posts: 4,690
11/17/13 7:48 P

If you have seen something like this, you need to report it to your local health department immediately.

It's not legal. It's not common practice. It's not sanctioned by the government. Obama is not telling school cafeterias to do this.

Sharing tables are meant for students to share prepackaged items, like crackers or condiments (or unpeeled fruit), that they have not unwrapped/unpeeled.

Edited by: LOVE4KITTIES at: 11/17/2013 (19:54)
SIMPLYME80 Posts: 406
11/17/13 7:03 P

I have witnessed this in a school cafeteria kitchen, Many school cafeterias are redistributing uneaten food items from finished plates/trays to others! Yuck! This is more then the wrapped crackers and sealed foods, School cafeterias remove the uneaten apparently untouched portion of a lunch, place it back into the kitchen often unrefrigerated, where the Unwrapped food items are being redistrubuted to other children! Again YUCK! Unwrapped food can be sneezed on. coughed on, touched or contaminated causing mild form of food poisoning. Worse a prankster can place drugs on the item. If your child becomes ill After lunch at school or feeling "out of it" when arriving home, this could be the reason! Please find out if the school Your child or grandchild attends, if this is their policy. This is part of Obamas "No Child" policy that uneated food can be redistributed to other children. Again YUCK! Your child can be eating something taken off another childs plate/tray!

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