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THOMAS.H Posts: 17,827
12/21/12 5:30 A

It ended as it should have (well, almost!). Congratulations. Since you went into the test with an accumulated score adequate for an "A," you should be happy with the grade. I agree that the notation on your record is the greater of the two issues, but that grade is also a major item. Again, congratulations.


OKIEGIRL561 Posts: 2,362
12/20/12 8:21 P

Relieved for you. Have a great holiday.

BOBBYS1GIRL SparkPoints: (0)
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12/20/12 7:29 P

I'm so happy this worked out for you. Keep kicking butt in school. You rock!

JOFGA_AK Posts: 33
12/20/12 6:59 P

I served on academic and honor cases back in the day... I'm glad the grade will work out - but the important thing to remember is to fight for yourself if things like this happen throughout your career.

Often, especially if inexperienced, professor's are reluctant to pursue the whole formal process for plagiarism (which is unfortunate and lets too many people get away with it for too long - to the point where many actually don't see it's a problem). The professor might be groping in the dark for a solution that ISN'T what is the official path. It's sometimes good to give them a little time to breathe and wiggle room if the prof wants to be 'creative' in their solution - but NOT if it will impact an innocent student's record.

So glad this prof backed off the 'collective punishment' route.

JANIEWWJD SparkPoints: (576,996)
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12/20/12 5:16 P

Thank the Lord everything worked out well for you!!!!

STODD251 Posts: 754
12/20/12 3:08 P

I'm glad it worked out in the end!

RICCILYNN Posts: 2,454
12/20/12 2:44 P

Wonderful that this all worked out for you. And this just shows how important it is to keep that email trail going, reply all in cases like this is imperative to make sure everyone stays in the loop and has a full knowledge of what is going on. "Back in my day" it would have been so much more difficult to prove innocence in a situation like this!
Best of luck with the rest of your schooling and enjoy your holidays!

12/20/12 2:21 P

I am happy you had a good resolution with the situation! emoticon

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 17,529
12/20/12 1:41 P

I am so glad that turned out well for you.

DIDS70 Posts: 5,368
12/20/12 12:40 P

Glad it turned out that way. Good For YOU

REYNINGSUNSHINE SparkPoints: (20,387)
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12/20/12 12:32 P

Thank you all for the prayers and support!

My school does have a way to appeal grades- and the one lab partner of mine that I've known for years and I had decided last night that we would be taking this to the school board if we were charged with anything.

I woke up this morning to the decision in my email:

"Thank you for your cooperation and honesty. The situation is unfortunate, and I know it is stressful; it is for me too. Based on the information you and others have provided me, I am convinced that you were not involved in this incident, and I will not involve you in any further discussions about the matter (unless something unforeseen arises). Because I cannot really provide a grade for you on the report based on what occurred, I am simply not going to count this assignment in your final grade; your final grade stands as it currently is in Moodle. If for some reason this solution is not agreeable to you, let me know and we can discuss other options.

I hope you enjoy your break & holidays! Please contact me anytime should you need to discuss anything further."

You have no idea (well- maybe some of you do) how relieving this was/is! Forget the grade- I'm just happy she absolved me. No academic trials, no nasty little mark on my record.... Darn it, I'm hungry now that I can step outside of this :P

Thank you all so so much.

THOMAS.H Posts: 17,827
12/20/12 10:13 A

If there is any possible means of appealing a grade based upon a disciplinary decrease, if you can't work through this with your professor (first and primary effort with your professor), by all means you should pursue that appeal. What is happening to you just is NOT right.

Best wishes to you,

SUZIEQUE77 SparkPoints: (9,271)
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12/20/12 10:05 A

I am a college professor, and I do realize that plagiarizing and cheating are problems that need to be addressed, but I think as often as not, some professors are quick to jump on this without doing a little investigating on their own before deciding "who cheated." And to accuse an entire group even if one member did plagiarize/cheat, is wrong unless you know the other members knew about this and still let it go. I do not believe in "group grades" for group work. It is ridiculous and rare that all group members equally deserve the same grade, and even more ridiculous to assume they all have the same ethics, and if one would cheat, they all would, and should be "punished" equally.

I'm sorry you are going through this, but keep advocating for yourself. It seems that with everything you said here, the evidence will prevail that you did NOT cheat or plagiarize, and eventually all this will be dropped from your record. I would fight for the A grade too, if this situation beyond your control is seemingly going to put you at a B.

I love how many professors and some students say a B is a wonderful grade. In some situations, it is NOT that great, especially if most of the rest of your class got an A, or if your school requires at LEAST a 3.0 average to even stay in their program.

But even more important, if you would be getting an A if not for this situation, it is definitely not fair to take a lower grade in this case. I say this even though I absolutely HATE it when my students dispute their grade. Of course, usually if I have a student disputing a grade, the grade they actually got was a "gift" and should have been lower than what they received, not higher.

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12/20/12 9:42 A

good luck with the out come

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12/20/12 9:40 A

"Bummer" would be very lightly describing those events and your situation.

You have received meaningful feedback from several other folks here of which I'd concur.

Dove-tailed with that would be to get expert legal direction and assistance also.

I wish you well - I hope thangs are resolved to your satisfaction.

QUADCMOM SparkPoints: (107,720)
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12/20/12 9:32 A

I'm sorry you are going through this. It's hard enough to go to school without having the added stress. I'm praying for you.

GLITTERFAIRY77 Posts: 8,023
12/20/12 9:20 A

As a college student myself, I understand how frustrating it is to be plagiarized. Fortunately for me, the one who was plagiarizing me also plagiarized others so it was very easy for the professor to pick her out and have her expelled. I don't know if it means ANYTHING at all to you, but I do pray that the truth be made known in your situation and that you and your group are cleared, and the guilty parties be exposed.
A "B" is still pretty spectacular, but I can understand why you'd be p.o.ed.

ROSEMOM23 SparkPoints: (18,667)
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12/20/12 7:40 A

Does your school have an ombudsman service? Can you discuss this with the head of the Department? You seem to have a good e-mail trail, you should fight to prove your innocence. Are both lab groups being punished or is your group the only one? If the other group isn't included in the punishment make sure that they are. Maybe someone will grow a conscience.(probably not thought) Don't lay down and let it happen to you. Fight.I know as a student it's hard to fight authority but learning to stand up for what is right would probably be a better lesson than anything you have learned so far in college.Good luck and remember a B wouldn't be the end of the world, just would make you mad.

CMCOLE Posts: 2,667
12/20/12 7:23 A

well, since it appears that the other group copied from your group, AND you have documentation (e-mails, proofs, etc.) it should result in a decision in your favor.

If not, then you'll have to go to a board or whatever it is that makes decisions regarding situations like that.

I'm so sorry to hear you've been through this, though.
It's really horrible to be accused of something, and know that you're completely without blame.

What likely stinks is that the professor read the other report first; hence your group was the first one under suspicion

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12/20/12 5:13 A

I just need to vent this out.

Today (eh, yesterday) has been such an awful day. Four pretty big things happened to stress me out, but this one definitely takes the cake for the year.

I'm currently studying biology and chemistry. I want to go into medical research and development (specificlly neurological). It's just so interesting to me, and when it comes to workplace settings, the lab is the one place I feel most comfortable.

I got an email today from a professor of mine saying that while she was reading lab reports, she had moments of deja vu during one, went back to the ones she has already graded, and realized- that lab report had word-for-word and near-identical sentences and structure as my lab report (that I wrote with my group of two other people- Bob and Ellie, for reference).

Yes, plagiarism allegations here.

I take school seriously. I take labs very seriously. It's where I want to be! I have NEVER given or received unauthorized help for ANYTHING. At first I was in denial. Oh, this has to be a mistake! I emailed her back ensuring her that I wrote my section by myself, sent it to Bob and collaborated, couldn't get a hold of Ellie that night, and then it left my hands for good when I finally got it to Ellie for her to finish it off (she hadn't even written her part yet). I offer to forward all emails, all drafts I have saved, etc to help the investigation on this issue.

After talking with my lab partners, I found out that after Ellie had finished the report, she gave it to another student to proofread. For confidentiality reasons, we don't know whose the other report is, but we have our suspicions.

I get an email back tonight saying that after hearing everybody's input, she thinks she has a good idea about what happened, but because nobody has directly fessed up to anything, she has to treat us all similarly in the punishment: which ranges from docking points to giving us all 0s on the assignment to failing us all in the course.

I did the math. Having a 0 on the assignment would drop me from an A to a B. I worked my bum off for that A (I was taking three other courses, two of which were labs, plus I worked an extra lab this term too). Even half credit on the assignment would drop my A to a B. Having a B when I deserve an A? That in its own right is scary.

But what is worse is knowing that plagiarism allegations follow you. Even if you are as innocent as Christ, what matters is what is on academic record. It can keep you out of medical or graduate school, research opportunities, internships- any job in academia (and potentially jobs in any field of work; nobody wants to hire a CHEATER when there are so many applicants out there).

When I read the other report, it was so obvious that they had copied our material. The material copied was from one of my sections and Bob's section. Our writing is definitely better. We have flow. The copied sections in the other report aren't coherent with the rest of the writing. It is so OBVIOUS what happened- but again, what happened doesn't matter. What they say happened? That does matter.

So here I am, stressed above my limits. My whole future is really at stake here. If I end up being charged with assist in plagiarism, I'm taking it to the school board. I refuse to have my life messed with. If I had plagiarized at all, I'd own up to it. I believe every action has a consequence, and I'm not special. I get both good and negative as the world sees fit. But truth needs to prevail here. My career is at stake. My school records are at stake. I'm not okay with that. And all I can do right now is wait. The decision has to be made by noon tomorrow (today? the 20th) Mountain Time, so in less than 9 hours. I'm at the edge of my seat, trying to figure out what this means for me.

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