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KAMS32902 Posts: 22
6/19/14 9:20 A

I think the points made are valid. I feel we've lost sight of the more satisfying aspects of life. I also think the problems have come from processed food and fast food. We're inundated with calories and a mindset that more is always better. We've evolved to need minimal calories, but our food is so calorie (energy) dense that we overdo it, sometimes without realizing it until we've packed on the pounds.

6/18/14 7:17 P

I think that this is a far too simplistic way of viewing this issue, in that this isn't the sole reason why people are obese.

Some of the reasons are simply that some people don't have time, money, education and access to proper food (e.g. the 'food desert' phenomenon). It's not so much that these people derive good feelings from the bad food they're eating, but that they're choosing this option simply as an easier fuel to consume for speed, price or access reasons. In other words, they may feel that this is their only choice.

For example: If you've been brought up in a lower income area where your local stores only stocks processed foods and there are fast food outlets everywhere, chances are that this is all you know or are aware of. After working long hours on a minimum wage, when you come home you just want something cheap and fast that you can source locally to feed you and your family. It's not about what food feels good, it's about what's available.

This HBO documentary called 'Weight Of The Nation: Poverty and Obesity' on YouTube explains the situation perfectly.

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6/11/14 9:52 P

The comment was made by, I assume, a regular, normal person, just like us LOL.

The article was discussing a British study on the density of fast food restaurants and obesity.

I thought it was an interesting connection for the commenter to make. And I think there is a bit of truth in his comments. I know people who spend 3 hours a day commuting. How does that leave you time for any thing?

I also know people who are so connected that you can't have a conversation with them. If you want their attention you need to text them.

Churches, Lodges, Womens Clubs etc used to provide a social network. We made friends, went to dinner, played cards etc and talked to each other. We were busy but not frantic.

Now for many people our social network is friends on Face Book.

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6/11/14 5:36 P


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6/11/14 5:12 P

While I do agree that it is an over-simplified explanation for a complex problem, I can see that commenter's point. You said the article was about obesity & fast food, & I can see how that would relate to the intent of the comment. We are in an instant gratification world now, and that includes not just the internet & cell phones, but also food. I took it as too much of society is caught up in keeping up with Joneses, but not enjoying what is right in front of them, unless it's the internet or a fast food cheeseburger.

I'm not necessarily agreeing that "obesity is a symptom of social degradation," but I do think that being too connected, working too much, and not enjoying the simpler things in life contribute to a lot of problems with physical and psychological health.

TACDGB Posts: 6,136
6/8/14 8:09 P

I don't totally agree. I believe it comes from not putting ourselves on the list of things to take care of. We make other things a priority and not ourselves. We use the excuse fast food is easier and cheaper. We use the excuse.....I am too tired from work to go workout. My family is obese so that is where I get it from. We let the world define us........well I can't work that hard to be a size 2 so I won't even try to loose weight. I believe it comes from not liking ourselves well enough to make the changes. I also believe that being an emotional eater plays a part in this..and not knowing how to change that as that is something we've always done. If someone drinks too much it is looked at as wrong. If some one does drugs that's wrong too. But if we eat from an emotional place no one thinks any thing about that.

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6/8/14 12:04 P, not totally true. But, the part about being connected [sitting too much] with electronic gadgets is not healthy. Walk away, detach and get outside for a walk/hike instead.

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6/3/14 5:47 P

A few good points but not the total reason!

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6/3/14 3:18 P

I don't agree with the author (because it is too simplistic) but obesity has become a big target thanks to added costs to a lot of related issues (from health care, insurance costs, job discrimination, even space...people don't want the seat next to the obese person). Everyone keeps saying "food choices, and qty" but the experts can't agree on the solution...what to eat and how to keep it off..

Nothing like increase costs to spur serious interest.
"Analyzing data from a wide variety of international sources, the Global Burden of Disease Study 2013 finds that from 1980 through 2013, the worldwide prevalence of overweight and obesity rose by 27.5% for adults and by 47.1% for children. The result was an absolute increase from 857 million overweight and obese people in 1980 to 2.1 billion in 2013."

6/3/14 3:02 P

It's not one size fits all. If it was a truth, there would be few or no thin people.

6/3/14 2:35 P


ETHELMERZ Posts: 20,207
6/3/14 2:21 P

First of all, who made this "comment"?? Eating has become part of the general entertainment of a lot of people, that is true. I don't know about "social degradation", high minded words for what could be a plain, old, addiction. We overweight folks simply are getting "something" from food, that we can't get from any lover, family, vacation, drug, entertainment, job, etc. in our daily lives. Something in food gives us comfort, pleasure, joy, etc. that we aren't getting from society, either. And there is no med for that. I would like to know who said that, though.

GIPPER1961 Posts: 766
6/3/14 12:56 P

Where the statement goes wrong in my view is that it attempts to put diverse and varied people into a common scenario. I can agree with the idea of the trade offs expressed, but obesity exists in both in people that fit the description and people that don't. The reasons we become obese is not formulaic and when people try to put it into a readers digest version they leave many people out and in the end even though the intentions are good they miss the mark.

NIRERIN Posts: 14,274
6/3/14 7:43 A

i think that that might be one head of the beast, but it certainly doesn't cover everything. and other countries without those replacements are experiencing the expanding waistline issue too. the only use for these kinds of articles is opening people up to the idea that everything can be a cause and that your cause and someone else's causes aren't going to be the same.
in that sense obesity is a bit like your favorite fragrance. everyone has one, but what it is and why are a little different for everyone. which means if you want [or don't want for that matter] that particular scent, you have to go about getting it in a different way. the person that loves chanel no.5 isn't going to get their fix in the same way that the person who loves fresh mown grass will. just like the person that had a medical issue isn't going to address the issue in the same way as the person who thinks that three pounds of chocolate is an appropriate daily amount. and then there are people who have 3-4 hour daily commutes who use that as a reason to do ultramarathons. a good knife can cut your food, cut your hand, stab you, be used to make holes for seeds, spread putty on the wall, extend your reach into a small space, be used as a lever or help get a splinter out. it's all about the intent of the wielder. none of those things make the knife good or bad; it's simply a small tool in the big picture.

GONNALOSE5 Posts: 975
6/3/14 7:27 A

"Obesity & social degradation?" Obesity comes from simply eating too much. It seems we have become of nation of "BIG", "LARGE" and "EXTRA." Just because something is offered or free does not mean we must take it. I have heard people say it saves money to get the large size--I ask at what cost to our health?

I may be wrong but I think people who believe it's cheaper to buy fast food have not learned the real value of money.

6/3/14 4:27 A

I have heard that obesity is a condition of poor people in rich countries. If that is so, Mexico is becoming richer, because when I volunteered there, so many people were obese - I was shocked!

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6/3/14 3:02 A

I find it neither very insightful nor is the author a crack pot. There is lots of truth to "We have replaced our families, our churches, our culture, our friends and social lives with 2 hour commutes, working weekends, smart phones, and the Internet.
The only things that bring us any sense of a good feeling are shopping and eating" but I think that is just obvious, not something new discovered through this author's insight.

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6/3/14 1:25 A

I read an interesting comment about obesity today. It was attached to an article on fast foods and obesity.
The commenter wrote something like:
We are obese because we have lost the things that have provided us with a sense of satisfaction, a feeling of contentment, the sense of accomplishment, the love and belonging that we all need to be happy.
We have replaced our families, our churches, our culture, our friends and social lives with 2 hour commutes, working weekends, smart phones, and the Internet.
The only things that bring us any sense of a good feeling are shopping and eating.

What do you think? Insightful commentary or a crack pot?

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