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MYCUTEGIZMO Posts: 3,845
12/15/10 11:36 A

Theoretically speaking it is bad..

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12/15/10 10:33 A

I am trying to eat better, whole grain carbs, but tend not to eat as high of a percentage of carbs as I used to.
I have not really studied those diets, butI think some only have short periods of very low carbs. Many of the fad diets that keep popping up seem to drastically eliminate one food group or another, which couldn't be all that healthy.

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12/12/10 3:47 P

Good point re OPs ketogenic question.

Guess I get a little jumpy when it comes to critiques of low carb eating ... not everyone learns what they are before criticizing.

Good points were made about being extremely too low carb. That's not "doing Atkins" or any other low carb plan right.

CSIENK Posts: 6,721
12/12/10 3:34 P

Same here... that did appear to be the basic premise of the OP's question. And I referenced an *extremely* low carb diet.

Edited by: CSIENK at: 12/12/2010 (15:35)
12/12/10 2:27 P

Personally, I don't have anything against low carb, I was just referring to the title of this thread which seemed to be talking about ketosis-inducing diets only.

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12/12/10 11:27 A

Probably the best thing you could do is a little research on it. Print off your materials, including the exact diet that you will be following (instructions) and take it to your doctor to talk to him about. He can go over the risks and benefits and decide with you if it is a good choice.

Most diets can be hard on certain groups of people that are not in the best of health so its best to talk to your doctor about it.

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12/12/10 10:45 A

I think a lot of you who are saying a low carb lifestyle is bad are thinking ONLY of the first stage where things are radically reduced for a just few days, and are thinking that's the whole program, when it isn't.

A low carb lifestly looks very similar to those of you NOT following a low carb lifestyle, once you're down the road a few months (not long).

It includes whole grain pasta, and bread, it includes potatoes, oatmeal, rice, beans, it includes lentils, corn, peas, it includes all those lovely starchy carbs and all the fruit.

Just maybe not *quite* as much as some other people eat. And those of us who are sugar sensitive do find we have foods we simply cannot eat because of the effect on our mind or body - bananas I mentioned before is a huge one for me.

WOOBIE0902 Posts: 510
12/12/10 10:11 A

I am not a carb eater (except for pasta in the winter), mostly I eat lean meats, vegetables and fruits. I know when I have spin classes, I perform much better when I have eaten more carbs that day.

Most of my carbs come from fruits and vegetables like acorn squash. I also add whole grain pasta or rice to all my soups.

As a previous poster mentioned, carbs have become the new enemy. I have several coworkers who insist on Atkins when they want to lose weight and always check the carb content on all foods. Whole grains are necessary and good for you; its the carbs in junk food that should be avoided.

I keep recommending this site hoping they will learn what really is a healthy lifestyle. No one seems to have time to read but they are all huge fans of "The biggest Loser".

CSIENK Posts: 6,721
12/11/10 7:16 P

There are so many reasons why following an extremely low carb diet is not healthy. Healthy carbs, eaten in a balanced diet, are important for your health. Fruits, vegetables, whole grains, legumes and beans are excellent sources of good carbs.

Here are a couple of things I can recall from articles I've read here on SP: when you don't get enough carbs, the body doesn't burn fat in the same way and carbs are the only thing that nourish the brain. Here's an article that explains it better and more completely.

Edited by: CSIENK at: 12/11/2010 (19:16)
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12/11/10 6:36 P

THIN-AT-LAST has been reported as SPAM.

SUSAN_FOSTER Posts: 1,229
12/11/10 5:54 P

And how much spam exactly does you diet call for, thin-at-last? Because I see a lot in your posts from today.

12/11/10 5:24 P

OMG people stop trying to sell us on products or scams or non-SP related stuff!!! Obviously we are on HERE because we support the lifestyle SP has to offer.

Thanks and Gig 'Em :)

Edited by: KMLINDAUER at: 12/11/2010 (17:24)
12/11/10 5:11 P

ppl in ketosis mainly complain about their breath

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12/11/10 2:43 P

Like everything else, it's usually best to do things in moderation and not make that kind of drastic changes in your eating patterns. I have been reducing the amount of white flour carbs I eat, and am replacing them with whole grain products whenever possible. Also, I have backed off on eating as many carb based snacks, and while I still eat some crackers (and yes, even potato chips and french fried on occasion) I am finding it easier to snack on fruit or vegetables more often.

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12/11/10 8:26 A

To put yourself in Ketosis is hard on the kidneys. A well balanced diet is healthier.

ELFITZPA Posts: 1,455
12/10/10 3:24 P

If you're interested in lowering your carbs, why not first try cutting out any overly-refined, non-whole grain pastas, breads, flours, white sugars etc.? Those are the carbs that are bad for you and should certainly be removed/restricted from any healthy diet.

Things like brown rice, quinoa, whole grain breads, etc. are perfectly fine in moderation. Try switching to those and if you don't like those, then perhaps consider scrapping them.

Just my 2 cents!

NUTMEG1125 Posts: 2,002
12/10/10 1:22 A

I have been low carb for over a year and have never felt better. Feel free to visit my page for more info :)

ANARIE Posts: 13,200
12/9/10 6:51 P

There's a GIGANTIC difference between "we're all eating too much sugar" and "[is] a Ketogenic Diet [...]a lifestyle change we should all be changing to?"

Yes, most of us eat too much sugar. But that doesn't mean we should be trying to force ourselves into ketoacidosis! It means we need to eat less sugar, not more protein and not necessarily less overall carbohydrate. It's kind of like saying, "There are so many alcoholics, we should never eat grapes or grain because that's the basis of alcohol."

Carbs are the new fat. Twenty years ago, the fad was to cut out all fat, with no understanding that there are different kinds of fat. Cut out all trans fat? Sure-- I'm right behind you. Cut out nuts and minimally-processed plant oils? That's likely to make you sick. Same with carbs. If you want to cut out refined sugars and white flour, that's a wonderful idea. But most of us won't benefit much if at all from replacing whole grains with protein entirely.

Extremes are rarely healthy. A ketogenic diet is an extreme. A mostly-balanced diet that's slightly lower than average in carbs, but makes sure all the carbs are nutritious, is not an extreme, and it works for weight loss. My personal opinion is that what we "should" all be changing to is the middle of the road, eating more of what we all know is healthy and less of what we all know is not healthy. You don't have to go into ketoacidosis; just eat your 7 fruits and veggies every day, and skip the cookies and pizza most days. That's going to do the trick for 95% of people. The other 5% can then experiment with slowly changing the balance of macronutrients until they find what does work.

12/9/10 2:12 P

"Indeed Weight Watchers seem to have switched to an "Atkins" (Ketogenic) style of diet control in recent years."

False. Where did you get that idea?

12/9/10 12:48 P

I started on the first two weeks of South Beach, which is absolutely no carbs including fruits, and had to quit. My boyfriend literally took me to the store, bought a loaf of bread, and made me eat it. (It was pretty funny actually).

I was so ketoacidotic after just one week that my breath smelled like ketones and I felt horrible. Oh, and I didn't lose anything in that week. The only good that came out of it was that for a while it was really difficult to overdo on carbs because I had been avoiding them so drastically.

WYOTIFFANY85 Posts: 93
12/9/10 12:40 P

If you look at your diet, when you make a healthy lifestyle change, you are still eating carbs, but you are eating the right carbs... basically your at the "maintanance phase" of a low carb diet. They even know it's not good or beneficial for the body to stay a very low amount of carbs for a period of time.

Edited by: WYOTIFFANY85 at: 12/9/2010 (12:41)
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12/9/10 10:34 A

I've been eating low carb for several years now and happy that I made the diet switch. I feel healthier not only physically but also mentally. I mention the mental part because I was reading Dr. Briffa's blog yesterday about ketosis low carb diets being possibly helpful with brain health. From what I've experienced, I believe it.

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12/9/10 10:21 A

It also tends to depend on you, personally. I have a massive sweet tooth. Trying a low-carb diet has completely crushed that sweet tooth (having survived Halloween and Thanksgiving without even a slight craving for what everyone around me was chowing down on). Much of why a low-carb diet works is that for many people it is just really hard to eat 2000 calories per day when you avoid bread, pasta, potatoes and rice. Once you fill up on salads, beef, bacon, cheese, tofu and cauliflower, your appetite just isn't that strong. For me, it is actually really hard to eat enough.

Another aspect of a ketogenic diet is more personal. I had a physical a couple of years ago and the doctor couldn't find anything wrong with me other than the fact that I weighed 330+ lbs. But, he warned that it just wouldn't be true for me if I kept that up for another decade. Then, last year a diabetic friend of mine died from complications. That got me thinking that eating like a diabetic BEFORE I had diabetes might not be a bad idea, in hopes of never actually having that disease. I have spent 40 years with my insulin levels probably spiking many times a day. Humans just aren't built to do that for a lifetime without insulin resistance developing.

WYOTIFFANY85 Posts: 93
12/9/10 9:46 A

I have tried probably every sort of diet there is out there. Basically my opinion now is if your going on a "diet" it is a temporary thing that only changes things on a temporary basis.
The spark diet and other just balanced diets like Weight watchers, etc are really just "life style changes" with instructions. This is a way to change your life for ever.
I think people are nieve to think that about until they dieted they didn't think about how they ate and what they ate and dont want to be a slave to thinking about what they eat for the rest of there lives. But even when we were all overweight we did think about what we were eating... we knew what we wanted, we gave into our cravings, we gorged, we cooked what we felt like eating and many of us thought about our next meal soon after the one we were just dont eating.
Eating is a huge part of everybody lives. And just switching your mind to eating healthier things and making the right choices will not be a slave drive, it will mearly be second nature once you get into the swing of things... just like eating junk was before.

HEEPER Posts: 1,000
12/9/10 9:37 A

I agree with the above posters. If you're like Pookie and Trillian, and you're thinking of making this a lifestyle, that's one thing. But if you're going to try Atkins to dump some weight then go back to carbs, don't waste your time. You'll just gain it all back again. You need to make a lifestyle change - something you can stick with for the rest of your life.

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12/9/10 9:09 A

I love Atkins, though after getting the concept down with meats I switched to vegan.

Years later, I still follow the principles, with my base menu being the low carb lifestyle, but supplemented with complex carbs as needed to get micronutrients and support my activity level.

If you make it a lifestyle change and follow all the stages, then it is very sustainable.

After all, when you are in Maintenance, the way you eat is nearly identical to that of Spark ... just perhaps with minor modifications, such as the fact I can't eat bananas.

Whether we all should change to it, I would say no. No method of eating works for everyone.

Fundamentally Atkins is about eating whole foods, mostly plants, which is what many people advise. But whether one should go lesser carb or not really depends on the individual and what works right for them.

And just to clarify your comments - Atkins never advises permanently never having potatoes or never having a bun with the burger. In early stages, yes, but not for a lifetime. All whole food carbs are re-introduced, and whether you eat them and in what quantities are up to the responses of the individual.

I would be happy to talk more about my experiences. I first started Atkins in 2003 and had success ... but did it wrong (as many people do) and tried to stick to just Induction because I was having success, instead of adding more and more carbs, which is the right, healthy and appropriate way to go about it. So, like others, it wasn't sustainable for me.

But then I started it again in 2006 (after having gained about 30 lbs eating loads of healthy complex carbs), but this time I did it right.

It took me a while to get a handle on it, especially as I have a high metabolism and couldn't have success starting Induction as described. I had to start with a much higher net carb count. But once I figured that out, and went from there, I had a great deal of success, and then continued on with the program.

I have chosen to be mostly vegan, so once I got a handle on the methodology, I slowly migrated into a vegetarian and then vegan lifestyle.

Like many, many people who have "done it right", I find it completely sustainable, very joyful, and I cannot imagine eating any other way, or going back to the way I ate before. The way I eat now makes me feel so much better in so many ways.

Which isn't to say I don't eat a lot of carbs, I eat loads of them. I just focus mostly on leafy greens and non-starchy veggies first, then some fruit (not sweet fruit), and complex carbs are as-needed vs. a focal point of the meal.

I also eat whole-food based sweetners and don't use artifical sugars, in addition to avoiding refined sugars.

ELLEN0407 Posts: 2,037
12/9/10 8:45 A

follow it too closely and you get this rotten taste in your mouth and a headache. the carb crave can get strong. you do loose weight and i hear it helps with cholestrerol and other "numbers". ppl swear by it but it is tough to adhere to long term

NIRERIN Posts: 14,297
12/9/10 8:37 A

personally there is no way i could stay on one. i eat very little meat, and most of my proteins are carbs too. i think it silly that people think potatoes make them fat. more often it's the crap they put on potatoes [bacon, sour cream, cheese, butter, etc] that adds a good deal of calories to potatoes, as potatoes are pretty darn tasty and natural. granted, i tend to eat my potatoes with a lentil based vegetable curry or steamed broccoli and about an ounce of cheese, so that does help make them a better option. they only have about 1 cal per gram raw, so if you take a 100 g potato and bake it that's only 100 cals [including 2 g fiber and 2g protein if you have the skins]. top it heavy on the veggie side [like with that kind of curry] and you can have a nice filling meal for under 200 cals.
switching off of the more processed things is a good idea, but do remember that though that vegetables are all almost exclusively carbs. they have many fewer carbs than a twinkie, but when it comes to carbs are still both carbs.
when it comes down to it, your diet [yes, using the primary definition of the word here] will always simply be what you eat. if you don't like potatoes, then cutting them out is a reasonable idea. if you do like potatoes, finding a better way to fit them in is going to be more beneficial long term so that you know how to eat the foods you like. as in baking potatoes and paring them with other veggies instead of getting the super processed ones from a can of pringles or a fast food joint. if you like your burgers without bread, then not having bread might work for you. even as an occasional thing while losing it might work. but if you like buns for your burgers, not ever having them probably isn't going to work long term. so finding an open faced burger you like might work, but learning to use fewer condiments [or lower calorie ones] or making smaller burgers with leaner meat or using smaller buns is going to help you get where you need to be. in the end you may find that cutting out one works for you, but making this as easy as you can for yourself works better than fighting what you like. it's about knowing how to make what you like work within the parameters you need to. that's a personal preference sort of question.

-POOKIE- Posts: 22,520
12/9/10 8:11 A

Ive been eating lower carb for nearly a year.

Cutting out bread, pasta, rice, noodles etc, keeping in fruit, vegetables, etc.

I see it as perfectly sustainable for life, I have been in maintainance for several months and carrying on leaving those empty carbs out of my diet.

The provide so very little actual nutrition for so high amounts of calories, its easy to justify leaving them out of your eating in favour of eating high nutrient filled other foods.

12/9/10 8:07 A

What's the general feeling about Ketogenic Diets as a lifesytle change? I'm seeing doctors saying that the human race is overloading on carbs (food industry pushing them at everyone), which is contributing towards weight problems and diabetes. I see doctors saying that we need to rebalance our diets more towards proteins and vegetables (back to the caveman diet of raw meat, nuts and seeds). Indeed Weight Watchers seem to have switched to an "Atkins" (Ketogenic) style of diet control in recent years. I'm happy that I understand the process of a Ketogenic Diet, but in the long term is this a lifestyle change we should all be changing to? Perhaps not eating potatoes with sunday lunch or leaving out the bread from the burger? Looking at it Ketogenic Diets are actually recommending us to reduce our carb intake down to an acceptable level and to get our calories somewhere else. Which is probably good advice. That assumes that we're just eating too much carb/sugar. Anyone out there got any experience with a long term change to low carb? Any good or bad points? I'd like to hear some real life experiences.

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