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RUSSELL_40 Posts: 16,826
2/1/13 9:48 P

I am a Type 2 diabetic, with CHF. My opinion is that regular food that God made is good for people, just maybe not for every person. I can't handle many carbs. Some people can.All food is good for someone, except the kind made in a laboratory.

So 4 years ago almost, I started low carb. You need to up fat % when you do this, so you have some fuel to keep you going. My protein went up a little. So now I eat about 60% fat/ 30% protein/10 % carbs. trying low fat/ low carb, will just leave you exhausted.

Within 1 year I was off ALL diabetes meds, and my A1C is 5.2 now. I am off my cholesterol meds, and my BP, and heart pill doses were halved a year ago. Along the way I have lost 147 lbs. My ejection fraction has gone from 16% to 45%, so my heart is 3X stronger.

Real food, lots of vegetables, limited fruit. Low carb, high fat. I eat an omelette for breakfast, and meat and veggie stir fries for lunch and dinner. Snacks are cheeses, and nuts, macadamias are my favorite. I follow Atkins, and I think it is the way to get diabetes under control. Even while eating 6 eggs a day, my cholesterol is 104 now.

I would suggest that you at least look at the types of carbs you eat, and switch to healthier carbs. You should be eating 3 meals a day. I eat 2,000-2,800 calories a day in 3 meals, plus a snack.

If eating one meal a day was the way we should eat, Jesus would not have had a last Supper, it would have just been a last meal. However many meals you decide to eat, eat in range of total calories, and divide those calories, and carbs as evenly throughout your menu as possible. You don't want a huge pile of carbs at any single meal. That creates a lot of glucose, and after using some, and storing a small amount as glycogen, the rest is turned into bodyfat, or triglyceride. This is what Insulin does.

My thinking is that God has given people the wisdom to solve their own problems. We know to cut some carbs, and eat healthier ones, and to eat more meals, and space them out. I just think that they are afraid to cut them even farther for diabetics. Eventually we will accept lower carb diets as the way to get people off Insulin, and diabetes meds, and hopefully along the way go back to a higher fat/ lower carb diet that will let people stay at a healthy weight, and avoid obesity, cancer, and heart disease.

Hopefully you can find a way to eat that allows you to enjoy the food God has provided, in the correct amount, and be healthier, and happier.

MSMUFFET60 Posts: 24
2/1/13 7:08 P

I suggest reading Made to Crave (Satisfying your deepest desire with god, not food) by Lysa Terkeurst

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2/1/13 3:36 P

I think God doesn't want us in bondage to anything, including food. I think he created food to feed us and for our pleasure, he does not mean to torture us with fat/ sugar/ etc... We can enjoy it but use it for fuel, or we can overdue it and make it our crutch. He knows the fight is hard, but he's there for you to lean on, depend on and cry it out to if you need to.

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2/1/13 3:21 P

Thank you for your replies. I wanted to be sure I wasn't putting faith in food to make me well more than God and that I wasn't being a glutton. MISSRUTH your answer makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

MISSRUTH Posts: 4,290
2/1/13 10:18 A

Well. I am not a preacher and haven't been to theology school. However, my understanding is that all those laws that the Jews followed in the OT were done away with, with the coming of Jesus. Eph 2:15 (but really this whole chapter is short, and reading the whole thing is helpful) So all that, don't eat this or that, or sleep in a separate bed, or wash before this or after that, or stone people to death-- that's all irrelevant unless you're Jewish. In essence, when Jesus came he fulfilled all those laws, and people were supposed to quit being so concerned with all the outward things they were doing, and become concerned with what's going on inside them-- their thoughts and attitudes and spirit. The NT is chock-full of all these types of things, and not rules about what to eat etc.

Personally I don't think it's sinful to eat 3 times a day, or to plan meals ahead of time. I've read and studied the Bible numerous times, and I don't recall anything about needing to eat only once a day on a regular basis. True, fasting is mentioned. So is feasting. At times, God provided food, and Jesus also provided the multitudes with food. So food clearly is recognized as necessary.

A wife is supposed to be a good steward of the household finances, and is supposed to gather food and prepare it. How on earth could you do those things, if you did not plan in advance. (The Bible was written back when women did not routinely work outside the home; the home was their workplace.) I plan a whole month's worth of dinners in advance, so I can shop accordingly and stick to our budget. I spend a whole lot less, doing it this way. Less opportunity for "impulse" buys, and the leftovers are always scheduled in to be eaten. I think by planning ahead and thinking about your food choices, you're demonstrating the desire to take care of the body God gave you and also use wisely the money you have.

And as for wanting to know what's for dinner, ahead of time-- part of the pleasure of food, is anticipating the yummy stuff you're going to get to eat later. Yes indeed, food provides fuel for our bodies. But there's nothing sinful about it also tasting good. And smelling good.

I think the problem would be, if you were "obsessed" with thoughts of food, to where you couldn't get the other tasks done during the day that you were supposed to do. And even there, there's a difference between being really hungry one day and thinking about food a lot. As opposed to, EVERY day spending hours and hours thinking about food.

Edited by: MISSRUTH at: 2/1/2013 (10:20)
MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 17,527
1/31/13 3:44 P

Could you please direct me to the chapter and verse where it says it is a sin to eat three times a day. Thank you kindly.


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1/31/13 3:22 P

Amen to that! Luke15:23 And bring hither the fatted calf an kill it and let us eat and be merry. It would be displeasing to God if you didn't t eat and take care of yourself.

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1/31/13 3:20 P

When the Bible was written food scarcity was a major issue. So many people struggled with hunger that of course it would seem sinful for one person to eat more than his share.

That's not the world we live in anymore. As you can see from the other examples people have brought up, it is very difficutl to follow the Bible exactly and take everything in there literally in this day and age.

Do what you need to do for your health. You can't very well please God if you are too sick to help yourself.

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1/31/13 3:14 P

you haven't offended anyone by what you said. you are pleasing God by taking care of yourself. it is wrong to not... whatever the case may be you have my support.

1/31/13 3:02 P

If it feels self-indulgent to eat and plan three meals a day, think how much time you'd spend thinking about food if you ate once a day! You'd be obsessed. When you're trying to lose weight, hunger is distracting enough eating three times a day and a few snacks; I can't imagine how obsessed I'd be with food if I had to go 23 hours between meals.

I don't think you offended anyone. With your health issues, you definitely need to take care of yourself and eat properly, and there's nothing wrong with that. It sounds like you're already trying to do that. A diabetic with congestive heart failure HAS to plan her meals carefully. I don't think you should feel you're displeasing God by taking care of your health.

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1/31/13 1:40 P

When I was normal weight I was dx with sleep apnea. Along the way the doc decreased my CPAP setting and I developed a heart problem as a result. I found out a few years ago that heart problem became CHF. I was put on water pills and lost 100 pounds of fluid. Before 2003 I had periodic high glucose but became a full fledged diabetic after mom died in 2003. The doc said it was grief related stress that triggered it. Diabetes runs big time in my family. Ten relatives have had it. I stopped eating after she passed away but when I found out about the diabetes I began to eat better. I've been on a strict diet for many years, even before this. I walk a lot and rarely eat at fast food places. I hope my post didn't offend anyone. Am just confused and want to do the right thing.

TACDGB Posts: 6,136
1/31/13 1:37 P

the bible is real clear about this. We are to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. so when we eat right and workout we are loving ourselves just as the bible says we should.

DIDS70 Posts: 5,368
1/31/13 1:36 P

I think it also depends on how you choose to interpret the readings.

God gave me a precious gift. He gave me a self healing gift. he also gave me the food that is needed to nourish and sustain it. he doesn't need any help.

Like the PP, I plan my meals a week ahead. I make sure that i have the proper ingredients so when i am ready to make it I can.

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1/31/13 1:35 P

I'm not religious so maybe my input won't mean much but from what I recall from going to church and Bible study is that you're suppose to "treat your body like a temple". Now I could be wrong in my interpretation of the passages but wouldn't that mean to not abuse it. To ensure it is healthy? I'm pretty sure that according to the Biblical god he would want you to improve your health and vitality. You're not obsessing over food as an indulgence, you're learning how to properly care for your body.

There is also almost a whole chapter if I recall correctly on what to eat and what not to eat ("unclean"or unhealthy) and proper hygiene. I'm pretty sure the Biblical god is *for* his creations taking proper care of themselves to prevent disease and health related problems.

Edited by: JENNILACEY at: 1/31/2013 (13:40)
FP4HLOSER Posts: 968
1/31/13 1:21 P

I found this to be a very good devotional.

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1/31/13 1:20 P

The Bible also says don't cut your hair and beard or eat certain types of seafood or wear clothes made from different fibers. We should stone adulterers, woman shouldn't speak in church, stay virgins until marriage... I won't go on.

I'm not religious but I say if you're going to follow one law, why not follow them all? Oh, because they make no sense in this day and age. I'm assuming you don't stone adulterers and check your clothes for different fibers...

CHEETARA79 Posts: 3,912
1/31/13 1:12 P

I think that honoring your body and treating it like the temple it is DOES honor God. Focus on what your body can do (fitness) rather than what it looks like. You can be modest and humble while getting healthy.

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1/31/13 12:48 P

In Biblical times, if you raped somebody, you only had to pay for damages.

Really, right now, we're on a different path than back in the OT. I think what God really wants for us is happiness and freedom. I think he would PREFER if we could just eat when we are hungry and not count and track... but where many of us (and possibly you) are, well, we're just not there yet- and that's OK. I don't think God looks at absolutes but rather our progress. It's not where we are now, or where we were, but what we are actively seeking to do. You are trying to be healthier. You aren't eating for the sake of eating- you are eating to fuel your body... and personally, back in those times where eating 3 meals a day was considered sin, I doubt it was considered sin because it was 3 meals a day. I think the idea was that it was a sin to eat more than necessary, to take more of your share from the community. Tracking food is about regaining control over overconsumption..

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1/31/13 11:49 A

I think these are very, very different times we live in than when the Bible was written. We now have TVs (that shove fast food commercials down our throats every 10 minutes); gadgets to do everything that used to be done by hand; the list goes on and on.

So I think you're comparing apples to oranges ...

GOPINTOS Posts: 6,263
1/31/13 11:42 A

I think God wants us to be healthy and happy, and to take care of our bodies while we have them.

And for many of us, that means some reprogramming. I might not have to track and count forever, but for now I do. I know the sad unhappy person that I was before, was not God's will. I believe that I am destined for more great things yet, and getting my health under control, and lifting my fog, is helping me to see that. It is also helping me to see and appreciate the world around me that much more.

We all have to find our way, what works for us, what fits into our beliefs and our lives. I find that I am more thankful to God now, that I say more little prayers now, then I did before when I was in my funk. I didnt care about much of anything while I was deep in funk.

I also think that He wants us to plan ahead and be prepared, and be able to provide for ourselves and our needs. And the nutrition in food is key, and that takes some planning as well. We don't want to be wasteful with our resources either, so planning meals just makes sense.

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1/31/13 11:22 A

They also stoned women and kept many wives in "bible times". Oh yeah and women had to sleep in a separate area from their husbands when they were on their periods. Comparing modern living to bible times is not really something that should be done.

To me thinking "God doesn't want me to" is just another excuse. I'm not a very religious person, but I do believe in God, and was raised in a Christian home. In my opinion, God gave us these bodies we have, and he wants us to take care of them and be happy in life. Having a healthy lifestyle allows you to do that.

As for you preparing one meal and thinking about your next one, try meal planning ahead of time, that way when the day comes, you don't have to think about it, you already have a day of healthy meals planned. I do mine a week at a time, in advance, and it only takes me about an hour to come up with the meals, build them in the recipe builder, and put in my tracker.

Edited by: YOJULEZ at: 1/31/2013 (11:23)
1/31/13 11:12 A

I'm not sure that this is theologically correct but I believe that God would want us to take care of our bodies and be as healthy as we can be which would include avoiding gluttony or sloth. That means that focusing on calories, exercise and taking care of your body is a good thing.

As that Pink song says: If God is a DJ
Life is a dance floor
You get what you're given
It's all how you use it...

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1/31/13 10:55 A

interesting post. While I am washing the lunch dishes, my husband will ask me, what are we having for supper. Really? He is so worried about what I am going to cook for every meal. Mainly because he is really picky, and if he doesn't like what I am cooking, then he tries to change my mind. I have decided I am the cook of the house, and what I cook and put on the table he eats, or goes and to a fast food place to get his meal. He prefers fast food over homemade anyhow. Weird isn't it. I am not a bad wife, I just refuse to be controlled and told what I can and cannot do. It is what it is.

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1/31/13 10:44 A

I don't know if anyone else struggles with this but I sometimes doubt I should be focusing on food intake thinking that God wouldn't want me to. That in bible times they only ate when hungry and that eating three meals a day is a sin. Otherwise I usually stick with a strict diet. Low fat/ low carb/ low sodium, etc. I'm not looking for excuses, I just want to please the Lord. Help! Any helpful input would be appreciated. I also don't want to focus on my health too much but given my problems (diabetes, heart and more ) that's hard not to do. I am eating one meal thinking of what to prepare for the next so I don't just slap something together ending up with something unhealthy. It gets frustrating. I have non insulin dependent type 2.

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