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RUSSELL_40 Posts: 16,826
5/27/13 2:33 P

I just wanted to point out the incredible amount of sodium in a 336 calorie dish of the soup, as it was listed, when I Googled it. I am sure that there are many variations, and you can use some lowers sodium versions, but when someone tells you that the "Sacred Heat diet " worked for them, they are going to Google it, and follow it to the letter. At 336 calories, they will eat more of it, maybe 2-4 servings, since no one is going a whole day on 336 calories.

True, I did not add in the rest of your food, since I do not know what is in the rest of the diet, but I think we can all agree that there must be more food, and that food will have some more sodium.. which if you follow this soup, had 4,300 grams of NA already.

My concern was not about the calories, but the incredible amount of sodium.

Another concern is staying on your diet. I think anyone who has lost a significant amount of weight will tell you that at some point you will stray, and when that happens, you will gain back quite a bit of weight. Having a diet that is nutritionally sound makes it much easier to stick to any diet, and the more restrictive it is, the more often you will cheat. I think some of the concerns are for this reason.

ATHENA1966 Posts: 3,976
5/26/13 5:37 P

TRUEYOU2 there is no need to be rude. People are trying to help you by giving you sound advice. Everyone has their own experience however, there is no valid evidence that this Sacred Heart Diet is effective. When you put a question on the message boards not get cranky when you receive peoples input. I do wish you wellness on your journey. You should consider tracking your food. If nothing else you can find out if you are receiving adequate nutrition. What have you got to lose.

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5/26/13 5:13 P

TRUEYOU2, I haven't been rude and I'm not telling you that your friend isn't an inspiration, I was simply pointing you to someone who has been an enormous, really huge inspiration to a lot of people. I haven't downed you in any way. I do not support the diet you're on, but that's not the same thing.

I'm glad you've lost weight, and hope you keep it off. Feel free to report me if you feel I have violated the community guidelines in some fashion by doing so. However, before you do, I recommend you read them. They state:

"All SparkPeople diet advice has been approved by a Registered Dietician because it is considered to be a serious health issue. Because of this, please be careful about what you recommend to others, as it could be dangerous if you go outside of medically-accepted boundaries. We encourage members to help each other using the SparkPeople recommendations. We do not allow members to promote diets that directly contradict our program recommendations."

This is what I've done.

I wish you the best; I hope that this crash diet isn't going to ultimately do the damage such crash diets tend to do. You are right that losing weight is indeed a science; I've never said it wasn't! What I AM saying is that the science isn't supporting the dangerous lengths you're going to in order to lose weight.

If you eat under 1200 calories a day, you are definitely shortchanging your body in the nutrition it needs to function properly. I do strongly encourage you to speak to a doctor and get regular blood tests if you intend to continue undereating, so that any potential issues from the crash diet you're on don't land you in the emergency room.

As for the "fat versus water" question, I haven't said that you've lost no fat; of course you have! I simply said you haven't lost a lot of fat quickly because there hasn't been enough time. While it often does come down to basic math, our bodies are not calculators, and there is a whole lot more to the equation than calories in/calories out. If it were any other way, then we wouldn't gain weight on our periods, after intense exercise, due to stress, lack of sleep, nor when our thyroids fail!

Anyway, feel free to ignore everything I've said, if you so choose; however, Check out what the SParkpeople experts DO have to say about diets that focus only on extremely low calories:

"Bad Habit #7: Trying to eat as little as possible.

If cutting calories is good for weight loss, then eating as little as possible is better, right? Wrong (especially if you're also trying to fuel your body for regular workouts). You need to eat a certain calorie level to function optimally and get all its essential nutrients your body needs to stay healthy. Eating much less than that can cause serious problems in the long term and damage your metabolism, making weight loss even harder."

Edited by: DRAGONCHILDE at: 5/26/2013 (17:30)
BUNNYKICKS Posts: 2,433
5/25/13 12:39 P

Wow, True, chillax.... gee whiz, she was only trying to help cushion the ultimate blow you will eventually feel when the "crash diet" turns into a "yo yo" diet.

I will note further, that this is SparkPeople, not SacredHeartPeople... the general tone of these boards is supportive of the SPARKPEOPLE method for weight loss. If you stick around these boards for any length of time, you will see that there is NOT a lot of support around here, for "crash" or "fad" diets, "diet supplements," "Dr. Oz," etc. etc. etc. People that enquire about fads, "magic" weight loss products, or basically anything that isn't steeped in good scientific principles, are generally directed to "why not skip the restrictive fad diet/expensive supplement/etc., and just try the SparkPeople approach instead?"

When you post on a public forum, you're bound to get all kinds of advice. Some good, some bad, some "you can do it," some "tough love." Pick and choose the advice you wish to incorporate into your life, and ignore the rest. Yes, IGNORE, not throw a hissy-fit of snark. If you want to report a post you feel is inappropriate, there's no need to announce it, just use the button, it's right down there
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Edited by: BUNNYKICKS at: 5/25/2013 (12:49)
TRUEYOU2 Posts: 5
5/25/13 10:20 A

Being that I know I have lost fat, are from the following reasons, when I drink about 8 cups of water/day and eat fruit like watermelon; I still weigh the same the next day. So if I had lost water weight, and replenished the liquids that my body had lost in the process of eating healthier I would have gained weight at least 3 lbs but being every day I get on the scale, it is either the same or less. I drink a lot of water plus, my urine is clear and not dark; if it was dark than that means I would be losing fluid and not fat.

You begin burning fat storage from your body when you're exercising at least 20 minutes or better yet, when you get moving around; sorry but losing weight is a science and it's basic math.

Plus how dare you tell me that my own friend isn't a "real" inspiration, who are you? you are suppose to be the community leader and yet, you're downing me for losing weight? Are you serious? Plus, I started eating healthier about 3 months ago, I weighed 271 and now I am 249, I use to weight 150; when I was a gymnast; before I had kids; so please don't tell me that losing weight is not a science.

The thing is I don't feel like I am dieting, because, I am fulfilled and satisfied, yes even 2 weeks ago I ate a large banana split blizzard from DQ and still lost weight before doing this sacred heart medical diet.

You know as community leader; you aren't a leader to me; I lead myself and my family and friends support me; you are a downer and should be reported; point blank. That's like telling your child they shouldn't look up to a superhero or a cop, it's what makes them feel good. Doesn't matter how much weight indygirl lost good for her; I don't know her; who I know is my friend Achia and seeing her smaller than what she was is an inspiration to me, thank you very much! So have a nice day and I will continue with my slow weight loss progress; because it's working for me and if on Tuesday I feel like DQ I will eat it and than the next day get back to eating healthy; because I still lose weight that way!

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5/24/13 9:40 P

Under no circumstances should you be eating less than 1200 calories without direct medical supervision and regular blood tests. "Diets" which instruct you to do so should be avoided. For that matter, if you are at 249, 1200 calories is also likely not enough for you, especially if you're doing any kind of exercise. That's simply not going to provide basic, adequate nutrition to fuel your body's needs, and you're going to end up slowing your metabolism. Combine that with gross overindulgence in meats on your "days off" and you're begging for trouble.

"Water weight" has nothing to do with how often you go to the bathroom; it's a common side effect of weight loss to release excessive amounts of water your body's holding on to; you don't have to urinate more often to lose it. I'm not saying that's bad, either; all of us experience water retention (especially on high-sodium diets or after intense exercise.) It takes longer than two or three days to lose fat, which is why when you lose large amounts of weight very quickly, it's more water weight than fat loss. You haven't had enough time to lose large amounts of fat.

This diet is *not* healthy at all if you're eating 600-1200 calories. The individual ingredients of the soup itself may be healthy, but this diet suffers from the same problem all diets of this nature do. They're short-term, and are not going to provide long-term results.

What it's not teaching you is how to change your habits for life and living long term. It doesn't teach you how to handle buffets, or Aunt Janet's famous apple pie, or what you're going to do ten years from now. It's basically a crash diet, no more, no less.

I'm not going to advise you to stop; you're going to do what you feel is best for you. I hope that you're going to break the chain of yo-yo dieting so many have been on, but I will note that statistics are against you.

Stop dieting, and start living:

If you want *real* inspiration? Check out Indygirl, an amazing Spark here who has lost *hundreds* of pounds, and is keeping it off, *without* silly fad diets unsupported by science and using techniques known to cause physical health problems.

Anyone can go on a diet and lose weight following extremely restricted calories. It takes real fire and inspiration to lose 230+ pounds and *keep it off* without surgery or fad dieting.

Edited by: DRAGONCHILDE at: 5/24/2013 (21:46)
TRUEYOU2 Posts: 5
5/24/13 8:15 P

you broke down the ingredients in the cabbage soup or the sacred heart diet soup well that 336 calories but you didn't add in the days where you are eating unlimited fruit and unlimited soup and water etc and then the 4th day where you eat the baked potato or the 5 and 6 day where you get to eat unlimited meat, this plan ranges from 600-1200 calories per the 7 days you're on it. I am on day four and I work out as well on my total gym and was 257 and now weigh 249; and I still have 3 days left on it. This diet is very healthy, because of the choice of foods you get to eat; I think it works differently for everyone. My friend Achia introduced me to it; she has been going on and off it for the past 3 months and lost about 40 lbs, she weighed 267 and now weighs 227; plus she is like 5'2'', so you can only imagine but anyhow it's and inspiration and a jumpstart for me and I just thought I would pass this information over to you

Edited by: TRUEYOU2 at: 5/24/2013 (20:18)
TRUEYOU2 Posts: 5
5/24/13 8:06 P

Well, like I said even eating "healthier" is still a diet. The definition of a diet is as follows 1.
food and drink considered in terms of its qualities, composition, and its effects on health: Milk is a wholesome article of diet.

a particular selection of food, especially as designed or prescribed to improve a person's physical condition or to prevent or treat a disease: a diet low in sugar.

such a selection or a limitation on the amount a person eats for reducing weight: No pie for me, I'm on a diet.

the foods eaten, as by a particular person or group: The native diet consists of fish and fruit.

food or feed habitually eaten or provided: The rabbits were fed a diet of carrots and lettuce.

I feel like, being I love sweet stuff I get to eat sweet things such as fruit, unlimited. On the prescribed days. Which in eating and changing your eating habits eating fruit is a healthy item to eat. But anyway, I would like to get back to everyone on my progress. It's day 4 and I weighed myself I weigh 249 now, was 255; well like I said possibly more maybe 257 when I started. I haven't cheated one little bit. I prepared the soup almost like it said, without the noodles though and onions as well. I even ate the bananas today and skim milk and drank my water. I fill full and satisfied and I am not craving anything. Plus, I work out on my total gym before bed for one hour working on the 2nd lowest setting doing many arm reps and leg reps for an hour while I watch my favorite shows on demand.
Yes, I thought eating the bake potato with butter would mess up everything but I woke up many pounds lighter and for the woman to say it's water weight, maybe 2 lbs, since, I still use the restroom, normally, not waking up in the middle of the night having to go. This diet or "change in eating habits" is more than soup because tomorrow I will be able to eat beef and so on and so on.

Anyhow, after my last day, I will stay off the diet for 2 days and probably eat a huge salad with chicken and hard boiled eggs; than continue on it for another 7 days. I feel like this diet if anything is a great jumpstart. There isn't anything unhealthy about it at all.

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5/24/13 6:04 P

RUSSELL_39...interesting to me that "The Soup" has morphed over the years!! The one I did so long ago didn't have canned tomatoes, soy sauce, was pretty much from scratch! I distinctly recall my distress at trying to come up with fresh tomatoes in the winter where we were living in Canada!! LOL !! And it had a full head of cabbage in it too... So perhaps the original one was indeed lower sodium....

Whatever the soup is... or is not.... I still agree with the consensus that this IS NOT a successful way to lose weight long term, eat healthy, and make good decisions about how to continue taking care of yourself. Go back to the Spark Basics, and you will accomplish all those things without following a half-page "diet" that was started as a joke, and never authenticated by ANY medical group!!

BUNNYKICKS Posts: 2,433
5/24/13 3:06 P

I would think that eating a 20 ounce steak on Saturday would undo a lot of low-cal-soup-dinners through the week................

I'd say, if the soup recipe is good and tasty, then enjoy the soup when you feel like eating the soup. Use it as a recipe - not as "a diet."

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5/24/13 11:52 A

TRUEYOU2, You haven't even been on this diet for a week yet. ANY calorie-restricted diet can trigger a three-day water weight loss. That doesn't mean t his diet provides anything others don't.

It's just a soup. It doesn't provide any magical weight loss. Dieting is pretty much the definition of "I can't eat X on Y day or at Z time."

Come back and talk to us in a few months, or even better, after a year of living like this. Then we'll talk about your results. :)

I'm glad you're losing weight, but I guarantee it is only because you're eating less. Not because of the soup itself.

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5/24/13 9:02 A


RUSSELL_40 Posts: 16,826
5/24/13 8:57 A

I googled it, and put the soup in my nutrition tracker. Here is what the soup supposedly consists of, and what I input to get my totals.

1) 1-2 cans of tomato - I put in 2 cups canned tomatoes
2) 3 green onions - I put in 1 cup of green onions
3 ) 1 can low fat beef broth - I put in 1 cup low fat, low sodium beef broth
4 ) head of celery - I put in 2 large stalks
5 ) 1 lb of canned green beans - I put in 2 cups canned green beans
6 ) 2 lbs raw carrots - I put in 900 grams raw carrots
7 ) 2 green peppers - I put in 2 cups green peppers
8 ) seasoning salt - I put in 1 tsp.
9 ) pepper - I put in 1 tsp. black pepper
10) soy sauce - I put in 2 Tbsp. soy sauce
11) curry - I put in 1 tsp. curry powder

The totals are on my tracker.. date 5/31, if you want to look, but here they are

Calories = 336, fat = 2 g, protein = 15 g, carbs = 72 g, 20 from fiber.... the problem is the sodium.. that came out to 4,315 mg.

I am a heart patient, and have to stay under 1,500 mg a day, but the average healthy person, should not go over 2,300 mg a day. Maybe some of the vegetables could be no salt, or even fresh, and you could add more of them, but the beef broth is 880 mg per cup. Let's say that you could halve the sodium by changing the way they make the soup to use low sodium versions. You are still at 2,150 mg, and even with more veggies, lest say double the calories.. 700. You are at the end of your sodium intake, and 500 calories below the minimum you should eat. I doubt that people are going to eat another 500 calories without any sodium .

The original ingredients though, would be at most, if I was a bit low on the raw veggies.. 500 calories, and if I added any canned veggies, broth, or spices, would add a lot to the sodium. This soup would kill me, and would most likely cause water weight gain in most people. Not to mention that you would still have to eat more food.

Soup is not a good food for the heart, it is very salty, even the low sodium versions. It should be eaten in limited quantities for this reason. While it may be harmless for healthy people ( I would argue otherwise ), it would be deadly for someone with a heart issue.

Edited by: RUSSELL_40 at: 5/24/2013 (08:59)
CMCOLE Posts: 2,667
5/24/13 6:55 A

As others have said - it's one of those things that are almost like an urban myth (well, the mythical part is that it's endorsed by any organization related to heart health).

However, it you want to make soup and eat it; go for it.

TRUEYOU2 Posts: 5
5/23/13 9:02 P

I am currently on this "diet" I honestly feel like it's just eating healthier; based on the foods. To me you do get a variety of foods just on different days; though, true enough, I can't wait for Saturday; to enjoy as much as 10 to 20 oz of beef; so yes, going to eat me some steak!!! But other than that; so far on the 3rd day and have lost 3 lbs; I want to say more than that; because, I had this binge of carbs over the past weekend of 5/18 and 5/19 and I was pretty much back up to 260; well now I am down to 255 again so thank god! So; I feel that this diet does work. Plus, I am just going to stick to it; it's not killing me; because, I do eat and exercise and do feel fulfilled and satisfied. The soup is delicious not going to lie about that either. I just feel that you shouldn't cheat and give it a chance. Today, I have ate 3 oranges, rinsed off a can of pears 2 cups of soup 1 cup of frozen green beans and drank 3 bottles of water and worked out on my total gym. I just feel like even if you're trying to eat less or eat right that is still "dieting." because you aren't eating like how you use to. You're watching what you eat basically. So I feel that the Sacred Heart Diet does work. On my last day on Sunday, I will try to go off of it but I really would like to continue with this; because, I would love to see myself in the 40s again. I feel like anything you do when it comes to losing weight it's what you put in to it and the will power. My mind is finally mentally prepared to do this. Once you get your mind right, everything will fall in to place. If I get upset/or mad I either now go to sleep early or work out on my total gym; just like I just did.

NAGEMRUNS Posts: 532
5/21/13 4:20 P

LOL Thanks for feedback, I'm not into dieting, I'll switch up my diet but I don't do fasts or anything like that. But I was curious about opinions on this one, appreciate it LOL! :)

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5/20/13 5:58 P

The soup is awesome! I make it all of the time in the winter. I think it is delicious! The diet is bunk, but the soup is awesome

ANARIE Posts: 13,192
5/20/13 1:48 P

It's a joke that got out of hand. It goes way back to the 1950s, when somebody made it up and sent it to a few friends as part of some big elaborate inside joke, but someone else found just the diet part and thought it was serious. It's been passed around with introductions added and taken away for over half a century. Sometimes they call it the "Mayo Clinic Diet," and there are a variety of other names, too.

I haven't tried it, but my grandmother did in the late 50s or so, and my mom did in the 70s. Neither of them died from it, but it didn't "work," either. My grandmother got really angry and offended when she found out it didn't really have anything to do with Jesus (I don't know the whole story about what she was told, but she thought it was endorsed somehow by the Catholic church.) My mom didn't remember my grandmother's experience, but on about the third day she started thinking it seemed stupid, so she called the nearest Sacred Heart Hospital and asked them if it was for real. They said, "no, it's a stupid joke that has nothing to do with Sacred Heart anything. If you need to lose weight, there's this new thing called "Weight Watchers;" people say it works. Try that." (She did, and it did, more or less, but that's another story.)

So... Has anyone done this? Yeah, bazillions of people over at least three generations. As far as I know, it hasn't killed anyone, but as far as I know, it hasn't made anyone healthy, either. If it's something you want to try, go ahead. The soup is relatively healthy, and if you only stay on it for the 7 or 10 days it's written for, that's not enough time to hurt you. You won't lose 10-17 pounds, though. If you've been eating really badly lately, you might lose 5 pounds or so of water weight. If you've been eating healthy foods already, you might actually gain water weight because of all the sodium in the soup. Either way, it's going to be temporary.

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5/20/13 12:53 P

LOL...yeah...years ago..... but it was called another name.... It keeps coming back with different names, none of which are legitimately related to a qualified Health institution!

You make a cabbage-based soup, and eat some defined meal plans. The version I had had Hot dogs, Beets, and Ice cream....

And, yes it has a short term effect...but then, if you think about it....
If you are one of those folks whose eating is wildly out of control, and you suddenly cut that out, eat reasonable quantities of lower-fat, lower-salt items, and that is calorie reduced from what you were doing.... for 3-5 has an effect.

My opinion: probably didn't hurt me, and certainly didn't help me in the long run! Would I recommend it to way.... LOL!!

Edited by: LADYSTARWIND at: 5/20/2013 (12:56)
KELLYFIT123 Posts: 1,312
5/20/13 12:44 P

I've never heard of it but all those diets make me scratch my head. They want you to something very specific for a specific amount of time. The diets aren't sustainable because they aren't teaching you how to eat for a lifetime. So you have some success, reach your goal, go back to what you were doing, and gain it all over again. If you can afford it, or if your insurance covers it, I highly suggest meeting with a dietician to talk over what makes a healthful diet.

NAGEMRUNS Posts: 532
5/20/13 11:18 A

A simple google of "sacred heart diet" will tell you how you can lose 10-17 pounds before surgery by making soup and eating certain things on certain days. Blah blah blah.

People will sing it's praises or criticize it because there "aren't enough calories" but it's up to each individual how much they eat, hey if you can have a lot of soup and 1000 calories from veggies or fruit, good for you.

My QUESTION is not about whether this works, or even if it's legit for "heart" patients (I've heard both)-- I'm just wondering, has anyone done this?? Thoughts??

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