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TACDGB Posts: 6,136
6/19/14 4:51 P

I think that diet is a mental game. It all starts in your head and your heart. You heart is tired of being obese......then your head wants to find a way to change it. For me when I figured out it's a life style change and not a diet.....and when God helped me to understand that it's my body so I can design how it looks things changed. You have to be so sick of where you are in your weight to want to change it.

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6/19/14 10:14 A

I guess my jump start was religiously measuring everything that I ate until I could accurately (mostly) eyeball portions. I kept that up for around 3 months, I think.

I knew what healthy eating was, and I even liked a lot of healthy stuff and wasn't eating particularly poorly, just eating too much of it. All of the studies that came out at the time (2011 ish) about how knowing exactly what you were eating and being accountable for it was one of the biggest keys to successful weight loss pushed me to start being accountable for what I was eating.

6/19/14 9:41 A

So no jump start, no segue, a first time weight loss person just ought to know what to do and begin on square one of the right way to lose weight?

In hind sight it is TOTALLY better to start at square one and count calories and have a plan and do all the long hours of researching but I just don't think that the average person who may be DESPERATE to lose will know to do that.

If I had to do my journey all over again I would start with research and compare and contrast different life style methods and try not to be desperate (I was) to lose and be calm and calculating about it.


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6/18/14 2:56 P

first thing i did was read a book on what all the different things do to your body. after reading it. i decided to stop having sugar treats. i havent had a sugar treat since jan. 1, 2014. second i have started eating fruits, which i really never ate before., three, i am putting more vegetables on my plate and much less pasta and meat. four i am making sure i have as much water as i can a day. i have a gallon jug in the refrigerator i empty everyday and i carry water with me every where i go. its a slow process but i feel 100% healthier already after losing only 20 pounds.still working on the other 75 that i have struggled all my life to try to lose. slow and steady is working for me. big losses too fast only brings it back on and more. i have learned this over my life time of trying to lose. just have to be patient and it will come off and stay off. good luck to all of us doing it the right way.

EXOTEC Posts: 3,327
6/18/14 10:25 A

I don't like the whole idea of diets as a temporary thing. I agree with others, it has to be a lifestyle change. In that perspective, it might be helpful for new converts (to whatever dietary plan THEY choose) to see some immediate success, and a supportive community also following that plan. I think, in that context, having specialty dietary forums and a structured plan would be helpful.

I also especially like the idea of having those specialty dietary plans supported in a conscientious way by the site moderators. I understand they have their own "official" plan, and it's a good one for many people, and I would expect that to take priority over any other perspectives. But I believe it would be the responsible thing to do for them ALSO to support the other plans out there, since we have good dietary experts who can sift through the variations and offer the reasoning and benefits of the various plans, and some organization to help those new to them.

But, of course.... pipe dreams.
More close to hallucinations.

Nice idea, tho

LADYCJM SparkPoints: (57,456)
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6/17/14 9:58 P

Interesting question.

I think it depends on your personality type and how fed up you are with dieting.

Some people will do better in the beginning with a gimmick/diet plan. I’m not even sure that the gimmick itself matters as long as there is one.

If the person who makes a decision to follow a diet plan can see that as a tool in getting started while they learn more about healthy eating I think it can help.

For example, cutting out all fried foods is a gimmick. So is going low carb or Atkins or any high card or vegetarian. It’s something to “hang your hat on”. I think it can help ease people into a new mindset.
If the diet plan/gimmick teaches a healthier way of living then transitioning away from the gimmick will be easier. If it doesn’t then it’s just another failed diet.

Of course, some will argue that their diet choices are not gimmicks. To me the difference is are you changing what you eat in response to a desire to lose weight NOW or in response to how you how you feel as you eat?

For example, you can lose a lot of weight fast by going on a strict vegetarian diet: no meat, eggs, dairy, fish etc. Your food choices will likely be limited as a sudden decision like this is not usually well researched so you likely won’t know healthy alternatives. You might be able to stick with this strict diet for a week or two but then it becomes too hard, too boring, too difficult to maintain. But you have lost 10 pounds! So you feel good. You start relaxing a bit. That pizza won’t hurt; it’s just cheese…..

Making a decision to become a vegetarian for health reasons, or because you don’t want to eat food with faces is usually a more gradual process with more research on how to be healthy in a vegetarian lifestyle. You research, you study, you read recipes and experiment with new foods. You learn how to be a healthy vegetarian.

Personally, I think that making a series of small changes and letting them become habits would be a more likely path to success. The “all or nothing” mentality is a mindset that has caused many of us to fail.

SHERYLDS Posts: 17,484
6/17/14 8:52 P

Yes ,,,we have to change our lifestyle and
Yes...we have to change our paradigms but when someone needs a motivation boost ...even if they have been eating healthy and exercising...there is nothing like going 'bootcamp' to rev up the progress and give someone the extra needed incentive. When someone has been pedaling hard ..uphill...and struggled without feeling like they are getting anywhere..going over the hill for a good drop is a welcome keeps you in the game

6/17/14 8:42 P

As with the rest of you I too don't believe a jump start diet is for long-term weight loss but I suspect a jump start may be a better starting point for first timers and then hopefully they'll learn on their own how to do it for the long haul.

My jump start was my own sense; cut out bread, fried foods of any kind and no eating after 7 pm

TINA8605 SparkPoints: (99,668)
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6/17/14 2:52 P

I myself did the Bob Harpers Jump Start to Skinny Plan. I didn't lose 20 pounds as stated I might but what I did was learn about eating outside the box. It also gave me the incentive to learn about eating correctly. I lost 10 lbs in 3 weeks. This was good enough for me. I also got off my butt. I take the information I learn from SP and put it to work. I think no matter what gets you started as long as it gets you started. Its continuing that matters the most. I don't expect more than 1-2 lbs a week. That logical and smart.

6/17/14 1:41 P

Depending on starting weight, spark for me WAS a jump start. I lost a good amount in the first 2-3 weeks. After a month, I seem to be at the 1-1.5lb loss each week, and some weeks have a small gain or no loss. I have a goal weight for August that i seem to be short on reaching, but as long as I'm building good habits, I am okay with a longer timeline. Stick with a change of lifestyle and good things happen.

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 17,535
6/17/14 1:28 P

I don't believe in jump starts. I knew someone who was going to do the Special K plan to jump start her weight loss. I asked her what she planned to do after the two weeks to maintain weight loss. She looked at me like I grew two heads.

I don't believe that anyone can do Special K for two weeks. Much less forever

BANKER-CHUCK Posts: 6,730
6/17/14 12:22 P

As for me I like a jump-start of my own plan. I will start by eliminating a particular addicting food such as any and all deserts and limited amount of milk and breads. By doing this it sets my frame of mind that I am starting to do something positive about better nutrition. I then establish a calorie range. Exercise is the hardest for me to start and I need to work on that. I was pretty good at it when I was concentrating on 5K runs but do to injuries I have to find another motivational reason...

KKKAREN Posts: 12,754
6/22/13 6:13 A

I have been on the spark plan for quite a while now. I do my calorie range almost everyday and have been on a plateau for months. I'm not trying to jump start my weight loss but get off my plateau. I gave up sugar and finally have started down the weight loss road. I should have given it up in the beginning but thought if I eat a light breakfast, lunch or whatever I could have enough calories left over for dessert. It turns out, it's not just how much you eat but what you eat too.

ETHELMERZ Posts: 20,727
6/21/13 10:09 P

The so called "jump start" is the first sign that something is fishy about an eating plan, unless you have need to let go of water, and then mistakenly think that you lost fat.
There should be a law against Dr. Oz type shows, when he first began, he was moderate in his thinking, but then, he needed SPONSORS, so he cuddles up to whomever those sponsors are and spreads the word to lonely, desperate women everywhere.
A "jump start" might be good if a couch potato actually does "start jumping" instead of sitting, that would do more good.

6/21/13 9:25 P

@BN63: That's my point exactly, is there any credence to starting Day 1, of what could be a life-time journey to good health, using a diet as a jump-start then kicking in long-term healthy habits?

I did not do it that way for myself because I didn't have the knowledge of anything having to do with real weight loss so I did it nose-to-the-grindstone way and though it was hard from day 1 I did it and by 3 months I started to see some results.

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6/21/13 8:03 P

If people would replace the word "diet" with "lifestyle", their weight loss journey would be more successful. A lifestyle is for your life time yet a diet is for today only.

EMPRESSAMQ Posts: 5,077
6/21/13 6:28 P

I am not of the camp that does not like the words "diet plan" or that feels diets do not work, since the word "diet" really just means a habitual way of eating and can also be applied to a way of eating that treats specific health problems or fosters weight loss or gain. I do not think "diet plans" don't work and that "diet plans" are fine if healthy, preferably supervised by a personal physician of the dieter, and that diet plans can be short term or long term and very helpful.

MEGAPEEJ Posts: 732
6/21/13 3:54 P

Do you mean what most of the population thinks of as a diet plan (eliminating entire food groups, severe restrictions, tiny portion, deprivation), or the Spark diet plan (counting calories and staying within the range that you should have been staying in this whole time)?

I think you're referring to the first, and that just wouldn't/didn't work for me. It usually is combined with little education on how the body and weight loss actually works, so people end up miserable and possibly without seeing results they want - think of all the people we see on the boards that lose 2 pounds a week and are sad that's "too slow". Then of course it's easier and more fun to just eat all the junk you ate before if "nothing's going to change anyway".

The ONLY thing that worked for me was joining Spark and learning from scratch how to feed myself. If anything else had ever worked, I probably wouldn't have made it this far.

ANARIE Posts: 13,200
6/21/13 3:41 P

I think we just need to kill the "jump" half of that expression. If someone advertised or offered a "diet plan to start your long-term weight loss," it would be more honest and accurate than jumpstart, and I'm not sure it would be any less attractive.

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6/21/13 3:39 P

The lifestyle change I chose comes with a sorta "built in" jump start. It does take some discipline and habit changing which is the hardest hurdle for me to overcome, but the results are quick and impressive. The plan is not impossible or difficult as shown by the countless success stories and the variety of foods to choose from. I'm the obstacle to my success with this plan. in spite of it being the easiest thing I've tried in the "diet" realm. Every time I've started this (and yes, this is the 3rd time!), the initial weight loss has been just under 10 pounds for the first week. Inches lost has been right around 2 total. Each consecutive week is usually 1 to 3 pounds. I don't count calories and once a week, I eat whatever I want for a day. I don't go hungry at all And there are days when I can't believe how much I ate or I eat more to get my calorie load up enough to work. The transitional phase from weight loss to maintenance is one I haven't quite gotten to yet but it makes it much more lifelong livable.

This isn't the right plan choice for everyone, but it is the best one of all the ones I've tried before and the most successful one for me. I like the "instant" gratification the first week results give me. It's a great motivator. Now all I have to do is just quit finding excuses....

6/21/13 3:21 P

like the Spark Solution... it's designed to start good habits, feel success and then go from there.

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6/21/13 2:46 P

I'm more of a 'change one' type person. Make a change...when it starts to feel like it MIGHT be a habit, make another change. Slow and steady wins the race

mom does just about every fad diet and OTC thing that hits the Dr. Oz show. Actually weh was doing that before anybody ever heard of Dr. Oz. She has will power like nobody else...short term. So she's yo-yoed a LOT. Now her metabolism seems to be way out of whack. Either from aging or yo-yo diets, or a combination.
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SHERYLDS Posts: 17,484
6/21/13 2:04 P

any healthy jumpstart that gives someone the motivation to feel they can do worth a try. But it should be coupled with the knowledge that the results are not typical for the long haul and that the lifestyle and activity have to change.

6/21/13 1:56 P

for me, I just couldn't do any sort of short cut, I had to do it the right way (living a healthy life style) and it took a long time but it's been worth it!

Re-Birth date: July 1, 2007
That's the day I started living healthy

BUNNYKICKS Posts: 2,433
6/21/13 1:36 P

I think as long as you're in "i believe in a Jump Start" mode, the road ahead is hard.

When you can finally let go of that "i need to see results immediately or i'll just get discouraged and not stick to it" becomes a lot easier.

I guess for me, it wasn't such a matter of wanting to see the scale numbers go down as it was me wanting to FEEL BETTER. Most of these "crash diets" just leave you feeling worse... and then so what if the scale is down seven pounds if you feel like crap? That's why people GIVE UP. That is why *I* have given up in the past. With the familiar refrain of "this is too damned hard. if THIS is what it takes, i'd rather just be fat."

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6/21/13 1:25 P

I guess I have a "healthy living" state of mind. I think even if you just want to lose 10-15 lbs it doesn't matter what you call it, if you are "dieting" you will probably gain the weight back. You have to change your habits, eat healthy and exercise regularly. No one wants to be on a life-long diet, but anyone can live a healthier lifestyle.

6/21/13 1:07 P

a pipe dream?

We've talked about this before in the cafe' and most of us agree that diet plans (yes, including the one you're doing) are NOT designed for long-term weight loss.

Long term weight loss is done through perseverance with good habits in eating & exercising.


Do you think, for those who are just starting, that a diet plan may be effective to jump start a long term weight loss plan? When I did it by counting calories and exercising and such it had been about the fifth-teenth time I had done so and then it clicked (there were other reasons, too) but what about folks who have made the descision to finally lose wright just because they're tired of being out of shape?

Would a diet plan for the loss of the first 10 to 15 pounds be enough for them to see results thereby possibly giving them the incentive to lose even more but by a more practical method like counting calories and exercising daily?

What do you think? Diet plan (short-term) then start to apply long term healthy habits?

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