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MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 17,540
11/8/13 7:11 P

I agree its not worth beating yourself up over a BK cheeseburger. Seems to me that you have learned from this experience and that is most important

RUSSELL_40 Posts: 16,826
11/8/13 3:58 P

If the OP is actually 409 lbs, then the calories in one burger is not the problem. for lighter people 760 calories might sound like a huge deal, but for someone over 300, it isn't even a 3rd of their calories.

At that weight, you need to eat more like 4000 calories a day to maintain, and can lose several lbs a week, eating 2500 calories a day, which would result in a gain for most people.

So, the problem is even worse, in that to maintain that weight, the OP would be unable to drop below 4000 calories a day. One has to stop and ask why, Limiting yourself to 3000 should be easy. The problem is all the carbs. Trigger foods are causing mindless eating, and it isn't the OP's fault.

Simply switching to a lower carb diet would result in avoidance of those trigger foods, and let a person eat a proper amount of calories, without hunger/cravings for more. The focus should be on eating the healthiest carbs available, and filling in the rest with fat, and protein.

Once they burn through the carbs, and start burning fat, they would be using their own bodyfat as an energy source, and be eating less calories, which would cause their weight to drop quickly, as they literally consumed their own fat. All without hunger.

The problem with focusing on the calories, is that the carbs cause cravings, which are why a person could eat enough to maintain 400 + lbs. The calories consumed are because of the carbs. Once that happens, their isn't enough willpower to stop yourself. I have to applaud the OP for not eating more after eating the fast food, which is designed specifically to make you crave more food. Secondly, if it is just as simple as saying eat less calories, then we are assuming the OP is a glutton, with no control, and is choosing to overeat. That is just rude.

People don't choose to overeat, they have biochemical reactions, and react predictably to them. When you are hungry, you eat more. The solution is not to say, eat less, you have no control. It is to ask, why is the person hungrier than other people?

Find that out, and you have the solution, all without blaming the person for their problems.

I used to be 361, and I was always hungry. I didn't change anything, except the amount of carbs I ate. This did result in me eating less calories overall, but took no effort from me. I didn't need willpower, or have to struggle. I just ate different food. I am still the same person, but if i was standing next to the old me, people who saw us both would compliment me on my hard work, and mutter to themselves that the other guy was just fat and lazy.

That couldn't be farther from the truth. I don't even think about diet today, except to discuss it. My meals are planned, and I just eat them on a schedule. Back then, I thought about food incessantly, and worked a LOT harder trying to become skinny.

The problem with the burger was what it was made of.. I could make a 760 calorie meal, and you could lose weight on it, because that would be the end of the eating. The burger bun is more likely to cause a binge, or another meal due to hunger. If not, then the 760 calories alone, are not going to prevent a 409 lb person from losing weight.

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11/8/13 1:44 P

I think it is also important to remember that for some people food is an addictive substance, affecting the brain in the same manner in which cocaine affects a drug addict's brain. I would not tell a cocaine addict that an occasional hit is ok because it is at least less than their prior usage. I would encourage abstinence.
Whether or not a person is an addict (to food or any other substance) is for them to come to terms with, but being 409lbs would indicate to me that there is more going on and that the individual may benefit from a complete removal of whatever is telling the brain to overeat. I am not judging her for her actions; the brain is a very delicate organ that we are learning more and more about everyday and have much progress to make in understanding it. What I am doing, is encouraging her to shift the way in which she is viewing the situation so that she may attain health and peace.

Edited by: MICHELLEXXXX at: 11/8/2013 (13:49)
KAKSMF Posts: 13
11/8/13 11:16 A

We are all here because we want to lose weight and make life style changes. Going from 4 fast food meals a week to a random one here and there is a life style change; the same as going from daily desserts to one a week is a life style change, or not exercising to exercising 3 days a week. We need to find a life style we can all live with. That is personal. I fully expect that there will be times that I have fast food again, the same way that I know I'll have random desserts and have weeks I don't exercise as much as I should. Where I'll run into trouble is not in having those random days/weeks, it's if I believe I've "blown it" and give up. Tobidawne, you had a whopper ... you said "whoops" ... kept the good habit of tracking it even when I'm sure you would have rather brushed that one under the rug ... wisely laughed about it ... and are moving on. Good for you. I hope I do the same when I have a "blow it" day.

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11/8/13 9:31 A

Renata, thank you for your thoughtful response. It is appreciated and welcomed. And I agree with you. Fast food is not an okay choice, but this one thing is not worth beating myself up over when the rest of the day was a success. I did cardio for a half an hour in spite of being completely exhausted. I walked several blocks. I took care of my family. And then after it all, I made the easy (not healthy) choice of a fast food burger. No, it wasn't a good choice, but all things considered my day wasn't blown.

MICHELLEXXXX SparkPoints: (12,275)
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11/8/13 4:15 A

OP, I'm glad you are tracking your nutrition; I've seen many people benefit from doing so. I sincerely hope you have been screened for diabetes and are educating yourself on the effects of nutrition (quality as well as quantity) on the body.

BUNNYKICKS Posts: 2,433
11/7/13 10:15 P

(There's the possibility that the OP's ticker is wrong - mine used to read like that until I realized the ticker doesn't cope with metric. OP, if this is the situation for you - go to your start page, find the link to account/email preferences... from there, about halfway down the page you'll see a checkbox "use the metric system" - uncheck it, and your ticker will correct itself).

RENATARUNS SparkPoints: (4,367)
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11/7/13 10:12 P

She didn't say "meal" of the day, she said "deal" of the day. So you can cross off the fries and drink from your sin list.

She got in under calories despite the one over-large and under-nutritioned choice. She's doing what she needs to do to address her health emergency, in your terms, by meeting those calorie goals. And you want to lecture her for it?

No, she is not likely to be comfortable or to meet other nutritional goals by trying to get away with this every day, if it's even possible to do so on more than the rarest of occasions, which it likely isn't. But seriously. Dang. Sense of proportion here.

To the OP: You really will be best off in the long run in many ways if you seek to minimize such lapses. Not so much because the damage done on any one occasion is so bad; as you've seen yourself, it isn't. But because fast food -- or any other kind of junk food, really -- isn't a habit you (or just about anyone else, to be perfectly honest) can afford to indulge on a regular basis. Once a month, fine, and won't hurt anything. Three times a week, and it's trouble. That's how I think about such things, and I think I'm far from alone among those who have been at this (losing weight/maintaining) for a while. Not to mention that the other poster is right in that for the most part, the less you eat such things the less you're going to want them or find them appealing, and it makes the whole process so much easier once you've reached that point.

But for the next time, if you reach this point again in a few weeks? A simple hamburger has just a bit over half the calories, and if you add a piece of fruit or a few carrot sticks once you get it home, it's not an absolutely horrendous meal. Much of this journey really is to learn to apply moderation on all scales, and even by fast food standards there are more diet-friendly alternatives than what you went for. So best of luck! You can do it.

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11/7/13 8:46 P

Not high and mighty--I really do not eat fast food. I have never eaten at a Burger King in my entire life. Just the though of the greasy smell is disgusting.

Someone who weighs 400 pounds who thinks that ever eating fast food is OK--well, that person is deluding herself. Weighing that much is a health emergency and needs to be dealt with seriously.

For 760 calories, 47 grams of fat and 52 carbs, you could have had not one but TWO interesting, filling meals full of taste and nutrients instead of just one burger. You had a meal though, so add fries and a soft drink and that's a whole day's worth of food in the space of a few minutes.

Amazing people are honest with themselves and don't give up just because giving up is the path of least resistance.

Edited by: AZULVIOLETA6 at: 11/7/2013 (20:50)
CLARK971 SparkPoints: (29,686)
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11/7/13 7:39 P

It is great that you tracked it. That way you know what you ate as far as calories, fat, carbs. I think it is important for your fast food to be the exception and not the rule.

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11/7/13 7:18 P

I am glad eating fast food is not one of my downfall

TOBI-DAWNE SparkPoints: (13,795)
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11/7/13 6:47 P

Azulvioleta6: Justify, justify, justify. You can justify being all high and mighty, but it doesn't do any good. Because at the end of the day, we're all beautiful amazing people - regardless of what we eat.

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11/7/13 6:45 P

I honestly can't stand fast food. It always makes me feel like crap... but sometimes, when you're too exhausted to function, the idea of having to actually make a meal is just simply too much. And that's when I'll relent and give in to the idea. I always prefer to have home made food, it takes better, makes you feel better, and is better for you too. But everyone has an off day from time to time. LOL

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11/7/13 3:42 P

Being able to moderate yourself isn't something that's going to happen overnight. You're going to cave not only when you start, but also along the way. It's part of the process. Just try to take into consideration moderation, and how much more food you might have been able to have with less calories instead of that whopper. (Btw, when I went to Burger King, that was my favorite meal!) Plus as you shift what your eat your body might even begin to reject foods like that later down the line. It might sound silly now, but you also might personally end up experiencing it. For example, I used to go to Burger King and McDonalds four days out of the week. Now if I went, after changing my diet for a year, I would throw up after one bite. (I've tried it. It wasn't pretty.) All in all, it took me a good solid two months before I was able to wean myself off of fast food when I first started. Sorry if I sound like I'm preaching - just sharing my story. Even to this day though I don't completely break off of fast food. If I want something I'll go to In-N-Out and get their protein burger, or I'll make something similar at home from stuff I bought at the grocery store.

AZULVIOLETA6 SparkPoints: (0)
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11/7/13 3:34 P

Justify, justify, justify.

Just because you can track it and not go over your calorie limit (which is high, I am guessing) that does not mean that you've had a healthy eating day. You've still got a ton of carbs, fat and chemicals in your body from ingesting it. You probably could have had something much more filling, nutritional and interesting for the same number of calories.

Of course beating yourself up about it doesn't do any good, but it doesn't mean that you should repeat this behavior in the future either.

ALGEBRAGIRL Posts: 1,925
11/7/13 11:59 A

I was surprised to find out that the McD's Filet of Fish sandwich actually went down in calories from the time I first entered it as a custom food in my log (not spark people log, just my own log) - at WW, I discussed this with the leader. She thought it probably has shrunk a bit in size. I certainly never noticed!

Edited by: ALGEBRAGIRL at: 11/7/2013 (11:59)
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11/7/13 1:27 A

moderation in all things

just start out right starting right now

TOBI-DAWNE SparkPoints: (13,795)
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11/6/13 8:57 P

Okay, I was real bad today. My energy level was nil, but I still managed to do 27 minutes of cardio after spending the entire morning at the girl's school (I volunteer Wed mornings). And as the day has gone on, I just found myself more and more exhausted - ridiculously so. So when DH said he wanted Burger King, I said fine. He asked what I wanted, and I said whatever the deal of the day was. So I got a BK Whopper w/Cheese. Oh my!

I expected that monstrosity to put my nutrition tracker in the hospital. LOL But amazingly, it says I still have a tiny bit of wiggle room left. Don't ask me how. But it does.

Moral? Don't go run out and get a BK Whopper 'cause you think you can get away with it... but don't beat yourself up over one that your DH happens to bring home. ;)

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