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2/20/10 1:21 A

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It's frustrating with anime like Fruits Basket, Wallflower, etc. that finish before the manga is finished. Often the anime just...stops with only a minimal attempt, if any, to make an ending out of the stopping point in the manga. For me that's a major disappointment with some anime. At least the anime could make its own ending story line, like Fullmetal Alchemist or Karen/Chibi Vampire.

A plus for anime for me is seeing the characters I love in the manga moving and talking. Funny is often funnier and scary is often scarier in anime.

But I tend to enjoy books more than movies too: they leave more to my imagination, and they can expand on thoughts, feelings, and situations more than can be done in a movie.

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2/9/10 2:18 A

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In general I think I prefer manga but I'm sure that's not always true. Sometimes the manga is really long and complicated, but then the anime is short and basic. Like Fruits Basket. I *loved* the manga so much, but the anime barely scratched the surface!

Usually I like most books better than movies anyway... leaves more to the imagination!

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2/8/10 6:38 P

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I hated the manga version of Escaflowne but loved both the anime and movie. As for the mangas of the others, I haven't read them, but I've heard their quite good. And I agree, Inuyasha really went on too long, like Dragonball Z.

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2/7/10 2:54 A

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I've read the manga for Escaflowne, and it IS terrible. I, too, liked the mangas for Rurouni Kenshin, Chobits, and Magic Knight Rayearth. And Inuyasha, except that Rumiko Takahashi should have ended it halfway before she did.
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2/5/10 11:23 A

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Heh, I haven't read a single one of those, though I've heard of some of them--Fruit Baskets, Bleach, and Naruto in particular I've all heard were good.

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2/5/10 2:50 A

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More manga recommedations to check out at your library:
- Ghost Hunt (10 volumes)
- Descendants of Darkness (11 volumes)
- Hikaru no Go
- Ouran High School Host Club
- Gakuen Alice
- Negima!
- Fruits Basket


short manga series...
- the dreaming (Australian, 3 volumes)
- Dramacon (Canadian, 3 volumes)

sports manga...
- Prince of Tennis
- Whistle

action manga...
- Naruto
- Bleach

I'm sure we can come up with others...
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Nextyear, it really depends on what you like--anime and manga both run a really wide gamut of genres--romance, comedy, martial arts, sports, horror, science fiction and fantasy, etc.

Some of my personal favorites are Inu-Yasha (though I'll warn you that it's really long and Rumiko Takahashi can't apparently wrap up a story to save her life), Rurouni Kenshin, Escaflowne (anime only--the manga I've heard is terrible. It's based on the anime and from what I've heard only focuses on one aspect of it. But the anime is wonderful), Chobits (manga, I've not seen the anime though I've heard it's good), Magic Knight Rayearth (same as for Chobits....)

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Yes, thank you, I am looking for a specific recommendation. We have an excellent public library, so I am sure they have many in the young adult department, I just didn't want to go in and try to choose one from a whole row of them.

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1/30/10 2:47 A

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Your public library probably has some manga. Some county libraries have more than others. That would be a good way to get your feet wet without spending money.

Also, mangafox.com has manga chapters online. I think generally they are fan translations.

Is that what you were wondering, or were you looking for a specific manga recommendation?

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I confess I have never read any of either. Is there a good place to get one's feet wet?

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1/23/10 11:24 P

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Out of hand, I prefer the anime, but I also like reading the manga to keep in line with how well one kept up with the other and so on. There are some animes that aren't anything like the manga they originated from such as Chibi Vampire ( a book my daughter borrowed from a friend) but then there are things such as Bleach, which tends to follow neck and neck with the story line with maybe the smallest deviation here and there. Of course sometimes the deviation is a good thing, even when it's a large jump, for instance Sorcerer Hunters took a rather hefty turn from the manga series (which made a lot of people who'd read it upset) but I liked both versions (as seen by comparing the OVA's to the series). Of course then the Escaflowne manga is a complete opposite, since it completely sucked (I hear it was based off the anime)but both the series and the movie were great. And yes, then there's Fruits Basket. I actually love the anime, but it helps to have the manga to fill in the blanks, not to mention, it ends way too soon, which made me go and put forth the extra effort to read more.

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1/21/10 5:08 P

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Usually, with anime that is based on a manga, you have to read the manga to get the complete story (take Fruits Basket, for example) so that's why I prefer the manga versions of a lot of things... but it kind of depends on how much time & money I want to devote to something, because reading the manga certainly takes more of both. Generally though, if I read the manga, I'll have already seen the anime or else I'll end up wanting to see it after I've finished reading.

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My husband really likes the Mobile Suite Gundam manga. I don't know that I have ever read them, though.

Yeah, Rumiko Takahashi has a lot of talent, actually--she does action well, she does humor well and in Inu-Yasha in particularly balances that humor well with some pretty dark, even borderline horror, fantasy. She just doesn't know how to stop.

Writing and drawing manga is definitely an art, one that requires both talent and skill and lots of practice.

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12/11/09 4:39 A

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Yeah, I agree on all those manga--they do a very nice job with action scenes. (Barring the occasional exception, of course.)

I guess Rumiko Takahashi can do action scenes, even if she can't wrap up a story!
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I also agree that it IS a challenge to effectively convey movement in still pictures. I'm reading a Mobile Suit Gundam spinoff manga that my son is buying. Beautiful artwork, but I can never figure out what's happening in the fight scenes. I have to hope the characters discuss the fight later in the manga.

Kudos to talented mangaka who can not only create engaging art but effectively draw action scenes!
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12/10/09 11:52 A

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Funny, I was thinking earlier that the fight scenes in Magic Knight are pretty easy to follow as I recall--I haven't read it recently. Inu-Yasa and Ranma 1/2 are both pretty easy to follow as well, though there were a couple of times I got confused about what exactly just happened. Kenshin is also pretty clear and easy to follow for the most part.

I still think it is a challenge to show movement in still pictures when there is a lot going on, without making it ambiguous or confusing. So I appreciate it when it's done well.

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12/10/09 4:11 A

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Clamp action/fight scenes are usually fairly easy to follow, but every now and then I get hung up on a couple drawings. Like in Tsubasa 23--it took me a while to figure out the fight between the two Shaorans.

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I'm not at all familiar with Osamu Tezuka, but that's great that is fight/action scenes are so easy to follow. That's not easy.

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12/7/09 2:20 A

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My son's on a "classic anime and manga" kick and is foisting--I mean SHARING--his Osamu Tezuka manga as he buys them. Osamu Tezuka is more-or-less the founding father, the "Disney", of Japanese manga & anime. I have to say that Tezuka draws action/fight scenes that are clear and easy to understand. Score one for the master!

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Oh, yeah. Combat scenes in manga can be so confusing; I don't know how many times I read something and sat there looking at the page thinking "okay, what just happened?"

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12/2/09 1:29 A

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I've been thinking about another aspect of anime versus manga: fight/combat/action scenes!

When it comes to fight/combat/action scenes, I REALLY prefer anime! Many times in manga I stare and stare at the pictures trying to figure out exactly what is going on. A picture may be worth a thousand words; however, with some of those manga drawings I could read 1000 words faster than I could figure out the drawing and have a much better grasp on the situation too!
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Yeah, I could see that. The ending of the manga was rather bitter sweet.

I've only been to one con that had anime viewings, and that was years ago. I remember watching a bit of the Lodos Wars and something else (something with lots of mecha and violence, but I can't remember the title). I remember having fun at the con. Unfortunately, it hasn't worked out for me to go to one since then. But I have friends who go regularly and they find new anime, which they buy and then I either watch with them or borrow.

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10/26/09 3:00 A

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CLAMP RULES!

Yeah, the Chobits anime was a bit different than the manga, but the big reason I liked the anime a little better was the ending. The ending of the manga was...bittersweet to our thinking. The ending of the anime doesn't contradict the manga, but it dances past the unpleasant aspect.

What a great idea for that anime store--free viewings! I've seen the first 1 to 4 episodes of a number of series from watching anime at our anime convention or our sci-fi/fantasy convention. They both have rooms with 24 hour anime viewing. If I didn't like the anime, I may have seen only one episode. I've been able to avoid the anime of a couple manga I'd enjoyed and make a decision to buy a couple other anime.

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Yeah, real violence is much more disturbing in a lot of ways.

I can't exactly say that I found the violence in Magic Knight disturbing--but it did have an impact, perhaps because it was unexpected (it was the first CLAMP series I'd read, and the first part seems all cutsy and then WHAM, Bad Things Happen.) I do have to admit to a relatively low violence tolerance compared to a lot of people, so who knows.

I've only read a bit of Card Capture Sakura, Chobits, and Magic Knight, I think. I'm a bit familiar with Angelic Layer but I've never seen or read it. So I still have a lot of CLAMP to go, grin.

I'm a bit surprised that you like the anime for Chobits better--I only saw the first couple of episodes but it looked like it spun the story in some strange ways (unfortunately, I can't remember what exactly I found strange now because it's been ages since I've seen it). But maybe it seems that way because I only saw a few episodes.

I've actually seen a lot of series where I only saw the first few episodes--the anime store we used to frequent (before moving out of town) used to have anime viewings on Thursday nights for free. The idea was to get people interested in the series, I guess, so that they would buy or rent the rest of it. And I guess it worked, because I did buy or rent a few after I finally got a DVD player, but a lot of them I just saw the 3 or 4 episodes they showed for free.

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10/25/09 2:45 A

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huh. My son and I didn't feel the violence impacted us much. Everyone's different.

I understand what you mean about the impact, though. Myself, I was terrible distressed by the children's/family film "Batteries Not Included", back in 1987. They had a scene of the bad guys breaking into tenant's' homes and beating them to get them to move. I was horrified to have taken my very young children to this movie. "Real" violence that can and does happen to everyday people has a huge impact on me compared to "unreal" violence, even if the "unreal" violence is much more graphic. And yet, the violent scene probably affected me more than anyone else in the family.

My son is 26 and has read Chobits & seen the anime. (Me too.) I actually liked the anime a little better than the manga. It's tough for me to pick a favorite CLAMP! Cardcaptor Sakura, Chobits, Angelic Layer, Legal Drug, xxxHolic, Tsubasa, and more--they're all favorites. Right now I think my favorite CLAMP is xxxHolic. My dream cosplay is to go as Yuko-san from xxxHolic--if I could lose enough weight and not look too old & saggy to do it.

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I don't know that it's so much that it was super violent (there are lots of much more violent animes out there) as the impact of the violence, if that makes sense. But I have never seen the anime, so I only can guess based on what other people have said and from having read the manga.

Interesting that the art style changed so much--It probably would be jarring if you were a fan of the manga and then saw a very different art style in the anime.

How old is your son? And has he read Chobits yet? That's my favorite of the CLAMP series I have read (I've only seen the first disk of the anime) but I also admit that there is a lot by CLAMP that I haven't read yet.

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10/24/09 2:14 A

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Oh! "Magic Knight Rayearth!" CLAMP! My son is a major CLAMP fan and has gotten me swept up too. He has both the manga and anime for "Magic Knight Rayearth," and we really enjoyed it.

The first season follows the manga pretty closely, with some filler, but the art style is animated in the style that was popular at the time, not really CLAMP's style. Apparently, there were complaints, and the second second animation becomes more and more in CLAMP's actual style until it is a decent match. The second season follows the manga fairly closely, but since the manga wasn't yet completed, CLAMP's Nanase Okawa actually wrote (not just advised) the ending for the anime.

As for violence, neither my son nor I thought it was especially violent. Yeah, there is violence, but not terribly gory from what I remember. Especially if compared to something like "Hellsing!" And yeah, I agree that bloody violence IS much more intense in color compared to black and white.

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One series that I've read in Manga-form and would like to see in anime someday is Magic Knight Rayearth (by CLAMP). I've heard that the anime is very well done, but pretty violent. Not that the manga aren't violent, but that somehow it's more intense when it's in color instead of black and white.

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Oh yeah, that was definitely in the manga. It took awhile to get into the storyline about what happened with his family, but it was part of the major conflict in the overall story. Her stubbornness about keeping him is one of the reasons why I had hope for the story--because after being the obliging daughter her whole life, she wanted this one thing and by Golly she was going to get it. It saved her from being a complete doormat.

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I absolutely agree that "homemaker" is a job that deserves a LOT more respect than it gets! Manager, accountant, maintenance, nurse, HR, etc.--what a long list of titles for a resume. However, part of being a successful homemaker is also developing personal talents and interests, as a functioning member of the home.

If her only goals were to wait on others hand-and-foot... UGH! The first season of the anime was softened by the aspects you've mentioned, but I couldn't tolerate buying a second season.

In the anime, there was some plot point of the boy being the husband picked out for her when they were children, but then either he or his family disappointed in some way (money?) and her father said she WASN'T going to marry the boy any more. However, this was the one thing she got stubborn about, and she was determined that she would still be his bride anyway. Was it like that in the manga too?

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Yes, Utena is tons of fun, and not above poking fun at itself (I mean, really, not even the series takes some of the Nanomi stuff seriously!)

Yeah, the female lead was *incredibly* traditional. Which wouldn't have been a problem except that it bordered on male fantasy (having a submissive, subservient but beautiful woman weight on you hand and foot?) while not questioning that her highest purpose in life was to cook and clean for other people. Which is especially disturbing since she came from an exceedingly wealthy family--realistically she would have had servants to wait on them both hand and foot at home. And yet she spends her days at home cooking etc. while the others go do college related activities.

And you know, I know a number of women--both my parents generation and a few my own--who are domestically inclined homemaker-types, and I think our society could use respecting that work more--because it really does contribute significantly to the health and well being of the rest of the family. And I can understand and respect her desire to hold on to some of her country's traditions--like wearing traditional clothing, the tea ceremony, and so forth.

But that shouldn't be the end all of their existence--and adding to that the fact that she fully intends to marry a guy her father picked out for her and whom she hasn't seen since they were about 6? While not questioning that maybe she doesn't want to spend every minute of every day taking care of other people while having not interests or hobbies of her own?

Disturbing.

The fact that the guy isn't 100% comfortable with this concept and the fact that the female housemates don't share that assumption/perspective helped it from going off the deep end--and there were some really well done, beautiful moments. But it always pushed that edge for me, and between that and the disappointing ending (not a horrible ending, but I didn't find it a very satisfactory ending--it never addressed some of the things I had expected and wanted to see addressed) well, it left me wanting.

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So THAT'S why Ai Yori Aoshi bugged me! It was the uber traditional female lead! I bought the first season of the anime and we watched it in our anime group. I was tired of it after the first two discs, but one of our little club was enamored of the series, so I ended up buying the whole season. I refused to buy any more after the first season. I haven't read the manga, so I don't know how it compares to the anime.

Yeah, Utena did get strange-r at the end, but we were already having so much fun with the weirdness that it just seems to fit.
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Hehehehe, thanks, yeah that does help make me feel younger! *Grin*

I agree that a disappointing ending can really sour an entire series. Ai Yori Aoshi did that to me--it was already on the edge of my comfort level anyway because the main female character was kind of an idealized "traditional" Japanese woman--always wore traditional clothes, very domestically minded, soft spoken, etc.

The story is that this girl comes from a very prominent, wealthy family and was engaged when she was very young to the son of another prominent, equally wealthy family. She was raised to be very traditional etc. Except her fiance left his family in his teens, and doesn't remember the engagement. But when she's of age to get married, she finds him and tells him. Eventually they end up living in a large house belonging to her family (Actually, I think he's in the guest house while she's in the main house? Not together, anyway), accompanied by a number of female college friends and her caretaker (I can't remember the woman's exact relationship with her, other than she wasn't family but someone who took care of her). And despite the fact that I was really uncomfortable with this kind of idealized domestic woman who takes care of everyone, it was handled pretty well--especially with the other girls in the house, who befriend her, don't always understand her, and yet admire her for her skills and ability to make people comfortable etc. And her relationship with the guy was pretty well done--yeah he's tempted by the male fantasy of a submissive woman who wants nothing but to take care of others, but he also pushes her to seek her own dreams etc. So it ends up as a sweet, tender story, with lots of humor etc. But he refuses to return to his own family, which he has very bitter and angry memories of. And her family wants her to marry the heir of the other family, not a disowned nobody. So, tension.

But the ending--I guess technically it was a "happy" ending but it was so disappointing after the entire series that I was really frustrated. (Don't want to post details, spoilers for anyone else who might want to read it. Who knows, maybe someone else wouldn't find the ending disappointing!) It is, however, a much shorter series than Inu-Yasha, with good interactions between the characters throughout.

I love the first couple of seasons of Utena, but what I have seen of the last season it got kind of odd... But it's still a great series, with some really cool music. I have the soundtracks on CD--it's great music.

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I'm a fan of re-reading too! Re-reading a book is like visiting an old friend. For me, the big thing that can ruining a blossoming relationship with a manga series is a lousy ending. I've sold manga I'd planned to keep because I felt let down by the ending. At least I can get rid of a FEW books!

I've read through volume 3 of Maison Ikkoku, and I'm still in the underwhelmed phase. Also, I'm not terribly fond of the pretty manager right now--she just seems like one of those women who likes to keep men dangling while demanding absolutely fidelity in return. It looks like it might get better though, so it's good to hear from you that it DOES.

If I remember, Utena DID seem to have a decent dubbing. Loved Utena! And getting a DVD player for anime is a NOBLE reason. To help you feel less dated, I'll confess that I bought my first VHS player in 1981. I was expecting my first child, and we knew that we weren't going to be going out any more after the baby arrived. So we splurged and bought one of those new video tape players--but we had to decide between Beta and VHS. We decided on VHS because the rental store had more VHS tapes. We could even tape movies off the TV with it! WOW! (We bought the game Pong, too. We were sooooo cool. Friends and family came over to play it.)

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"You mean InuYasha ISN'T Ranma 1/2 with time travel, a hot older brother, and a cute monk?"

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When I started Maison Ikkoku, I confess I was rather underwhelmed--I mean, it was amusing enough, but so way over the top--I mean, the drunken mom and the snoopy guy who takes his food and the flirty neighbor hanging out in lingerie? WAY over the top. But the series really grew on me, to being if not my favorite than one of my favorites. In part because it doesn't take itself too seriously and pokes fun at itself. And at times it's romantic and funny and beautiful, all at once. And it's a LOT shorter than Ranma 1/2 or InuYasha--she actually manages to tell a story and finish it before you want to throw the book at the wall.

" "Ah, I figure he's just some Yankee boy." "

HA! That's really funny. Expressions like that are really hard to translate, sometimes. I remember giggling at a movie that was in English subtitled into Spanish over the phrase "hoity toity" and couldn't explain to my Mexican friend why it was so funny. The Spanish translation was accurate enough--but completely missed the undertones.

And I had completely forgotten that Kagome had that valley girl voice! Goes to show how long it's been so I watched the dubbed--yeah, that was obnoxious and jarring. It made her sound like an utter air head rather than an average school girl with school girl interests and priorities.

Don't look to me for advice on how to sell books! I'm horrible about getting rid of books--I have a hard time getting rid of even books I didn't like! (It's almost like a disease or something... Kind of sad). I usually end up giving away books I don't want to keep to good homes where someone might enjoy them or, more rarely, donating them to the local library. But I keep probably 90% of the books I buy. If not more. Good thing I re-read a lot!

Yeah, the Ranma 1/2 were released 2 episodes per VHS for about $25 a tape (and that was, what, 10 years ago? so you have to factor in inflation to that. And I think I just managed to horribly date myself... moving on....). Insanely expensive, which is why the only ones I have are random episodes purchased when a local anime store went out of business (I picked up the first season of Utena as well. Dubbed, but well done dubbed from what I can tell). I swear the whole reason I got a DVD player at the time was for anime.


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You mean InuYasha ISN'T Ranma 1/2 with time travel, a hot older brother, and a cute monk?
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I was reading the InuYasha manga quite a while before the anime showed up in the U.S. I bought some Chinese import volumes of the anime and have fond memories of the Chingrish subtitles (which I prefer to the overly wordy fansubs, BTW). When InuYasha showed up on Cartoon Network I watched it, cringing at Kagome's dubbed "valley girl" voice. When the InuYasha anime was released domestically, I bought it. Then, as I mentioned earlier, I sold both domestic anime and manga in disgust at Takahashi's dragging out the series.

P.S. The absolute BEST subtitle I've ever seen was in the InuYasha Chinese import. It's when Kouga is first introduced, and the group is asking Shippo what he knows about Kouga. In both the domestic dubbed and subtitled, he says something like, "He's just some upstart." But the CHINGRISH subtitled it as, "Ah, I figure he's just some Yankee boy." I LOVE it! That isn't exactly what it is in the original Japanese either, but it conveys so much more than "upstart."
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I don't have the Ranma 1/2 manga series, and my son sold his--he's much better at managing space by selling books than I am. However, I still have the first two seasons of the anime on DVD. My son asked why I don't sell them, but they are still good for a quick laugh when I need one. We originally watched the first season on VHS tapes that belonged to someone else in our anime group. There were, what, 2 episodes on a tape? Horrible!

I'm reading Takahashi's "Maison Ikkoku" from the library right now. I wouldn't spend money on it, but it's amusing.

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"Since the characters are similar it didn't bother me, but I kept wondering why they didn't also get the same voice actor that played Akane for Kagome."

Maybe because it would seem to much like Inu-Yasha was Ranma 1/2 with time travel? *grin*

Actually, I should re-read Ranma 1/2. I haven't read them in years, and I never saw more than a handful of the episodes (and those dubbed, not subtitled) because it was just too long for me to even attempt (this was back before I had a DVD player, and anime was much too expensive on VHS to contemplate). When I first got into Inu-Yasha, there were not very many volumes out and it wasn't available as an anime in the US at least at all (I think it was out in Japan, though I'm not sure). But Ranma made such a great study break-- I would pick up a volume, which didn't take very long to read, and they made me laugh when I really needed that.

I hope you enjoy Blue Seed!

Exactly. You should be able to watch the subtitles and hear the dubbed and at least have them be in the same dimension as each other.

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I'll have to look for Blue Seed; it DOES sound good!

I first saw InuYasha subtitled before I saw it dubbed on Cartoon Network, so Kagome's dubbed voice was an instant shock. Yes, that is the same voice actor for both InuYasha and Ranma. Since the characters are similar it didn't bother me, but I kept wondering why they didn't also get the same voice actor that played Akane for Kagome.
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I'd rather have the dubbed dialogue adjusted to match the mouth movements too, but, yeah, it SHOULD at least seem like it's from the same show as the subtitles!

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Blue Seed is fun. It's the story about this organization that is hunting down monsters created when these blue seeds merge with the organism, with the heroine being a school girl who because of her blood is vital to the fight (it's more complicated than that, but it's been awhile since I watched it). It has a good mix of humor and adventure, nothing as mind blowing as something CLAMP might come up with, but entertaining.

Hehehe, the voices are funny, aren't they? I didn't mind Kagome's voice particularly, until after I got used to the subtitled, and then the dubbed voice just sounded wrong. Inu-Yasha's voice always threw ime in the dubbed, though, because he sounds an awful lot like Ranma dubbed. Might even be the same voice actor, though I'm not sure.

I don't really mind shifting the dialogue to try to match the mouth movements--it's jarring to have the mouth move a ton to have a simple "no way!" be what is said, after all. What bothered me was that the tone and content was radically altered--it didn't resemble the original (or at least subtitled, since I don't speak Japanese) at all.

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Cardcaptor Sakura is very cute--but not typical American kid-fare. My shojo plot summary of Cardcaptor Sakura is:
"Girl meets boy 1, girl fall for boy 1, boy 2 meets girl, boy 2 falls for girl, boy 1 falls for girl's BROTHER, girl falls for boy 2 on rebound--and no one mentions the excessive devotion of girl's girlfriend."

I've watched InuYasha on Cartoon Network and subtitled at home. It really WAS frustrating how CN kept restarting InuYasha. I thought the dubbing was pretty good, except that Kagome's voice just set my teeth on edge.

Subtitles versus dubbing is interesting. Differences between dubbed and subtitled are natural (if funny/bad sometimes), because in theory they're trying to fit mouth movements. What is irritating is when they just slap the dubbed script in as the subtitles! (I think it's Viz who's prone to this.) My son has a quick grasp of languages and has taught himself a fair amount of Japanese. He's howled in frustration when the dubbed script wasn't accurate and then is repeated as the subtitle.

Blue Seed... I haven't seen that one. Any good?

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yeah, from what I she said I guess they decided to take a LOT of liberties with the original Card Capture Sakura--cut stuff willy nilly and then "translated" what was left in ways that were very different from the original. Sailor Moon was bad enough--especially as you moved into the later story arcs (Sailor Neptune and Uranus are sisters (or was that cousins?), huh?) but Card Captures I guess was much, much worse.

I've the first arc in the manga of Card Capture Sakura, and it looks really, really cute--very high on my cute tolerance scale. But it's CLAMP, so looks can be deceiving.

I have another series--I think it is Blue Seed, but not sure--where we once watched both the dubbed and the English subtitles to see how they matched and it was horrifying, and yet hysterical, how very different they were!

We mostly watch Inu-Yasha subtitled, since I have the first seasons at least on dvd (I never finished the series) because I got frustrated with Cartoon Network starting things over all the time. But from what I saw of the dubbed, they did a pretty good job--but they had to move it to after 11 pm to get away with it. And Inu-Yasha isn't really that controversial, not compared to some of the much more violent and/or sexually explicit anime out there.

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I like YOUR theory about anime for younger viewers being more likely to be bought for regular seasons and thus are more filler prone.

InuYasha WAS one of my very favorite series too. I hung in there, grumbling more and louder, until I read that in Shonen Sunday she announced around volume 43 that she was shooting for at least 500 chapters (50 volumes) because "she still had a lot of stories to tell." I quit reading at that point and sold my InuYasha manga and anime. (But I kept my Miroku plushie and poster. He's still in my anime harem!)

I support your friend's love of Cardcaptor Sakura! Both my son and I rank it as a favorite. It's a wonderful series (and manga), and that butchered Americanized Cardcaptors reslly DOES SUCK!!

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Hehehe, I guard those shelves jealously. How else do you think I managed to steal them away from my parents house when I moved out? (I come from a family of readers.)

Mt Hakurei was the point where I got pretty fed up with Takahashi myself. Up until that point, I listed Inu-Yasha as one of my very favorite series, both anime and manga (though I prefer the manga) but she really should have wrapped up the story there and it irritated me that she kept dragging it out and spinning more and more complications. It felt like she was just trying to keep it going, rather than really adding to the story. And that really disappointed me.

My suspicion (purely speculative, unfortunately) is that anime for younger audiences--like Sailor Moon, Card Capture Sakura (which I have not seen, but have heard a lot about as it was one of my friend's favorite series, and she hated the dubbed US version and I heard all about it....) etc. are more likely to bought for regular season series--so, what, 28 or 42 episodes, depending? And seasons are encouraged to have story arcs, so you have to try to crunch or stretch the story to fit that number of episodes. One "season" of Sailor Moon in the manga are only about 4 volumes--that's a lot to stretch into an entire season of anime--especially since Sailor Moon's seasons are 46-48 episodes long (Inu-Yasha, in contrast, has seasons 28 episodes long). That's a lot of room to fill.

A lot of the adult manga seem to be more flexible in the number of episodes produced. Adult anime have more options for publication, it seems, and so aren't as restricted to the length of a regular season.

But as you say, I could be talking out of my hat, since I don't know much about the Japanese media markets. I haven't even seen enough range of anime to truly generalize, especially considering that I have relatively limited knowledge of what is available in the US and only a fraction of Japanese anime ever comes to the US.

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Good point about anime having filler episodes! I'd forgotten about the Dinosaur Episode in Sailor Moon--hahahahahahaha!! The shorter series have less opportunity for filler because they're, well, shorter. I suppose filler would stick out more in shorter series because (I hope) the original manga story was tighter.

Naruto has 100 sequential episodes of filler before it returns to the manga with Naruto Shippuden. I just quit watching and went to pick up with Shippuden. Bleach has the entire Bount arc as filler, which got annoying as they kept twisting the purpose and power of the Bounts to fill in more and more time.

InuYasha did a better job of spacing filler by making small story arcs that lasted 1-8 episodes. Since the manga mostly wanders around with occasional visits home, more villains and power ups, the filler episodes weren't so obvious and in some places enhanced the almost non-existent back story. The anime ruined all their efforts at the end by throwing up their hands and saying, "She's NEVER going to end this manga! Okay, let's just close with 'Someday we'll get him.'" The manga and the anime should have ended way back at Mt Hakurei. Everything else has just been Rumiko Takahashi telling stories to hit at least 50 volumes--she made it to 56. In my humble opinion, of course. (There is no critic as harsh as a disappointed fan.)
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I don't know if filler is more common in anime targeting younger audiences; however, I can put forth a theory that it is. I'll theorize that manga and anime targeted for an older audience will usually be shorter and have tighter story lines to accommodate a more discriminating audience, making filler harder to insert and less necessary. It's also possible that manga targeting an older audience don't normally get picked up for anime as fast, also making less filler necessary. But I don't know. I'm just talking out of my, errr..., hat.
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I love my deep shelves. I've had them forever--since I was a little kid. If I don't have extra books, I can put photos or knickknacks in front of the books. It's easy enough to move them out of the way when I want to grab a book.

I can't remember if I said that, but one advantage at least some manga series have over the anime is that the anime is much more likely to have filler scenes (or the dreaded dinosaur episode--a name that comes from a Sailor Moon episode where they find a dinosaur. The episode is not only pointless, it makes no sense; it's whole purpose seems to be to have the girls wearing swimsuits and to fill in an episode slot for the season). Sailor Moon is definitely a major offender here--the manga are much more focused and streamlined, but other series have this problem as well.

I'm not familiar enough with enough different series (especially in comparison to the manga) to know how generalizable this observation is, or even to know if this is more common in anime for younger audiences, like Sailor Moon. It is definitely an issue with longer series,the ones that ran multiple seasons--shorter ones are forced to be much more focused. Or maybe they are as likely to have episodes that don't really do much as far as plot (Cowboy Bebop, for example, and that's a wonderful series, but it does have a number of side stories about various bounty hunts that aren't directly related to the main plot) they aren't as overwhelming because there are fewer episodes over all?

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Hmmm... Seems like I don't have enough shelves and i don't have deep enough shelves. I can only single stack. I have my manga stacked in special manga boxes.
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I'm sorry that you didn't get a chance to go to the fair because your SIL was sick. :( What a bummer.

My husband has been just dealing with it. He hates going to the doctor and money is tight--in part, ironically, because we have insurance again, but it's expensive. But it doesn't sound like his is as bad as yours. 80% of the time, it's just fine, and then something will shift out of place and get pinched in the joint and then it hurts like crazy. It wasn't until recently he discovered that it was torn cartilage that was causing his repeated knee problems--that he wasn't just constantly hurting his knee.

We've had to double shelve for years. Thankfully, our shelves are nice and deep (and some are tall enough to stack paperbacks as well) so double stacking is an option.

We now have these funny shelf units that we store the manga in (I didn't list them in the bookshelves because I don't think of them as really bookshelves), which work well as long as we double them up. But before that the manga mostly lived in boxes in the closet because I had no where else to put them.

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Thanks for the sympathy and support! Did your husband get his torn cartilage fixed, or does he just "deal with it?" I wear a thigh-high support stocking (regular slip on knee braces just roll down) and a strap-on knee brace with side supports, take Ibuprofen, and I still can't spend much time on my feet or I'll pay for it for days.

We ended up not going to Ren Fest because my son-in-law was ill. Ah well, there's always next year!

Double shelving books is a great idea!

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Oy, you have my sympathy on the out of pocket expenses--it can really add up even with insurance. Especially when you are also laid off :(

I hope it gets better, or at least gets to the point where you can tolerate it until you are more financially stable. My husband--I think I mentioned this?--has problems with torn cartilage in his knee, and sometimes it really bothers him but not always.

I dunno, anime can take up a lot of room unless you take them out of their DVD boxes. At least the manga I have no problems double and triple shelving. As long as I know that the books behind are in the same series as the books in front, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I hate having non-graphic novels stacked like that, though, because it's so hard to browse. Unfortunately, even with all the shelving we have (we have a 2 bedroom apartment, not a house, but we've crammed in a lot of shelving in that space--including 60 feet of shelving we put up in the office and at least 9 bookcases) we still have to double stack some books.

One of my friends who lived in Japan had studied Japanese in college. The other one I don't know. I know that he learned Japanese at some point, but he's never said whether he learned it before or after going.

I hope you had a good time at the Ren Fair!

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Thanks, Zannachan! The pathetic thing is that I HAVE insurance, but it's so cheap that I can't afford the out of pocket expense--especially after the surgery and 2-week hospital stay that caused the hernia drained all my financial resources and then some (and then being laid off). My knee has been feeling better lately, giving me hope that it is slowly healing, despite people telling me knee cartilage won't heal. I'll see if I relapse after going to the Renaissance Festival on Sunday. I'm bringing a cane, just in case.

I have a lot of non-manga books TOO! I have books in five rooms in the house. Oh! That's another plus for anime over manga. ANIME takes up less SPACE at home than manga!

Zannachan, did your friends who lived in Japan already know Japanese when they went there? Were they able to pick up much of the language in a year or two?

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I hope that you are able to do something about the hernia and knee issues soon. We just learned recently that my husband's recurring knee problems are probably from torn cartilage--definitely not fun at all, though hit sounds like his isn't as bad as yours. Still, he's looking at possible surgery. Thank goodness we have insurance again!

My dream home definitely has a large library. In addition to all the manga and anime that we have, we have a LOT of books.

I would love to learn Japanese and be able to visit Japan. I've had friends who were able to live in Japan for a year or two and they have great stories. I doubt it will happen any time soon, though.

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If I won the lottery...

Well, first, I could afford to get the hernia operation on the hernia caused by my emergency surgery and afford to have the torn cartilage in my knee fixed. Then I could exercise without doing it from a chair!

I'd probably need to build an addition to house all the anime and manga I'd buy with lottery winnings--after my classes to learn beginning Japanese and my vacation in Japan, of course.
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I agree...you could have a wonderful trip with winning the lottery !!! I like that Dream emoticon

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Ahhh... It's like that joke about the man who keeps praying to God to win the lottery. One day a voice booms out of the heavens, "Meet me halfway! Buy a ticket!"

By the time I win the lottery, I'm sure the coversion rate will be better for the dollar.
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I keep wishing to win the lottery...just have to spend that dollar....the yen is low...the conversion rate is really bad for the US dollar...not like before.. :(

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Sounds amazing! I need to put Nerima on my tour wishlist for when I win the lottery and get to visit Japan.


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I stayed in this ward of Tokyo: Nerima is the birthplace of anime in Japan. A large number of anime production studios are also located in Nerima, such as Toei Animation, Mushi Production and AIC.

Ranma 1/2, Doraemon, Digimon Adventure, Urusei Yatsura, and Nerima Daikon Brothers take place in Nerima. Other works such as Astro Boy and Candy Candy were also produced here.



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heh heh! emoticon Yeah, there've been some serious anime WTF moments! Also, very irritating are anime that end while the manga is ongoing, and, rather than create an ending, the anime just... stops.

I'll bet audio books would be wonderful for exercise like the treadmill, elliptical, stationary bike, or walking! I've just started checking out books on CD from the library. I've been using them to listen to while driving. I've listened to the one Doctor Who audio CD set my library has, and now I'm listening to the audio book of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers." FUN! When I have a job again, audio books will sure make the commute go easier.

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"Maybe I just needed an anime group to explain the later seasons to me?"

Hee, I've certainly seen some anime that got to the end of the season and then went all strange--some serious WTF moments!

Free is definitely good, and I've always felt local libraries are important. And a lot of them these days have a lot of other things to offer besides traditional books--many have books on tape, for example, which I've been wanting to check out for when I exercise.

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Well... at least I really LIKE Doctor Who! emoticon But yeah, it is rather frustrating when your "anime" group is hijacked to watch something else. Ours was hijacked to watch Alfred Hitchcock movies for a while, although that WAS fun.

Battlestar Galactica... I really liked the first season or two, but then it just seemed the writers were on drugs. I've even heard that there was an interview where the production staff/writers said that for the third season they were gathering at a bar and coming up with plots over drinks. I don't know if that's true or not. Maybe I just needed an anime group to explain the later seasons to me?

Oh, I hope your new library has manga! I had a terrible time finding the county library website from our state website, but when I did I was pleasantly surprised. FREE is SOOOO good--and it helps support our local libraries too, by showing active circulation.
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Glad to hear you've been lurking around the Alphabet game! I take notes about series I want to check out at the library or else buy a volume when I have money again.

You may have noticed that HollyHock and I don't always have anything to contribute to the game either. Sometimes we don't know any manga for a letter that hasn't already been used, and we just look a new one up on www.animenewsnetwork.com/ . (A McAfee-approved website.) We typically say something like, "Haven't heard of this one before," or "Don't know this manga but the art looks interesting." Not too profound. And the rest is just us nattering about our opinions anyway. If Mel-Chan came back to the Alphabet game, she would/should blast us for saying "Death Note" got boring or funky halfway through. She LOVES "Death Note," as do many people.

I hope you're finding some appealing titles to look for when you find your new library!
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Some day I really need to watch some Dr. Who.

One of the last things our anime group watched before we disbanded due to schedule issues was Battle Star Galactica, so I can sympathize :D

Our old library did not carry manga, but we moved this spring and I still haven't found the new library yet (we've been busy). So I don't know if the new one carries manga yet or not.

I have been lurking in the alphabet game, though I haven't really had anything to contribute. I've heard of a lot of new series that way, though!

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Finding new manga and anime on a budget is hard! I've been laid off, so money's pretty tight for me too. I've discovered my library, and I prowl its listings for anything of interest.

My anime group has petered out too! We're down to just two of us, and now it's Doctor Who as often as it's anime. My library does have some anime, too. We watched the anime movie, "Paprika" last night.

If you're looking for some ideas for manga, check out the Anime/Manga Alphabet Game in the FUN FORUM! We're mainly working with manga titles, searching out additional titles on AnimeNewsNetwork.com, and commenting on manga we've read. I've gotten some great tips from this game and even found some of them in my library!

SYNOPSIS OF TRAIN+TRAIN from AnimeNewsNetwork.com:

6 Tankoubon
Genres: adventure, science fiction
Plot Summary: On the distant planet of Deloca, teenagers enroll in an education system like no other -- a mobile journey that takes place onboard a train. There are standard School Trains for general studies...and then there's the Special Train, an expectional institution whose students receive anything but a normal education. Reiichi is a student contented to obediently follow the tracks laid out before him…but when Arena, a rebellious girl with a mysterious past, enters the scene, his life is completely derailed. While dodging the persistent investigator after Arena, Reiichi and his unintended partner-in-crime experience a school year never to be forgotten.

Sorry about the long posting...

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I am not at all familiar with Train + Train.

I have been a slacker lately when it comes to discovering new anime and manga. I don't have the money right now to buy a lot of manga, so I haven't really been looking, and since the anime group stopped getting together I haven't been exposed to new anime either.

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I see that the mangaka of R.O.D also has a manga series, TRAIN + TRAIN. I was hoping my library had it, but alas, no.
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Definitely it's easier to snag a few minutes to read a bit of a manga than to watch an anime. But I do hope that I get to see it some day because what I saw was pretty cool.

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One of the big advantages of manga is that you can slip in a little reading of R.O.D. as time permits. I hope you get to watch the anime someday, too.
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I have the ROD manga, but I haven't read them yet.

I've actually only seen bits and pieces of ROD, because that one they watched when I was doing fieldwork for school. I caught just enough of it to know that it's one that I do want to see, though.

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If I understand the Netflix website correctly, they DO carry the InuYasha anime--55 discs. They also carry the 4 movies. I suppose that doesn't mean it's available everywhere though.

I liked R.O.D! I think I preferred the R.O.D. anime to the manga, if I remember correctly. It's been a while.

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I don't know if Netflix has Inu-Yasha as we own the first 30 or so. But we rented a lot of anime series through Netflix--R.O.D., for example. I can't remember very many of the series we rented, unfortunately, as it was awhile ago, but I remember there was quite a bit of diversity.

Very cool about the birth place of anime!

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Very cool! I had no idea that anime has an actual "birthplace". I'd love to be able to visit it some time.

If you find that picture of the building with the manga/anime characters, I hope you'll post it on your SparkPage. Are the characters painted on the walls or displayed as statues in front of the building?

Here in St. Paul, Minnesota (USA), they're pretty proud that the comic artist of "Peanuts", Charles Schultz, was born and raised in St. Paul. After his death, a series of statues of Peanuts characters were created (by the city, I think). Companies/people were able to buy these statues and could paint them and display them. So various places in the area will have decorated Peanuts characters displayed in front of the building. A bank near my house has a Charlie Brown, a Lucy, and a Linus. Their statues are tastefully painted, but I've seen some really wild paint jobs.

Yeah, that has nothing to do with anime or manga, but the building in Chiyoda-ku with manga/anime characters got me thinking about it.
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the only thing I know about Anime.....is that it was developed/started in Nerima-ku, Tokyo....stayed in Nerima 2007 for a month....my friend in Tokyo..around my age...loves both Manga and Anime...I only remember Archie, Jughead, Veronica and Betty !!!....just remember I have a picture of a building in Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo that has manga or anime characters...I'll check my memory card...

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Maybe Netflix has InuYasha? It was still fun to watch, but I'd have a hard time recommending anyone buy the series when it's soooo long with no real ending.

Hmmm... Maybe I should consider Netflix...

We had a group of friends who made up a little anime club for anime nights too! Only four of us, and our approach was for everyone to buy different anime and then we could see four times the amount of anime that any one of us could have bought separately. Unfortunately, two of my group moved away, so it's just two of us now. It's just not the same.
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Ah! That would be one advantage anime has over manga: the potential for social interaction and group enjoyment. On the other hand, an advantage manga would have over anime is solo enjoyment (and usually cheaper than anime).

I need to find some FEMALE anime fans in my area, so that I can watch anime like Descendants of Darkness and (my soon-to-arrive) Loveless with an appreciative audience, instead of by myself. My little anime club was three guys and me.

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Well, that's just... really discouraging. I gave up watching Inu-Yasha on cartoon network because I got tired of them starting over again at the beginning, and it was late at night and we kept forgetting to record it. So for awhile we were getting them on DVD, which was neat but we haven't gotten them for awhile. I wish the dvds weren't so expensive!

We used to have anime nights with some friends and we'd get our anime from Netflix, but unfortunately we ran into schedule problems and ended up stopping. But Netflix has a lot of titles available and it's a pretty affordable way to get your anime fix; maybe we should consider renting them again.

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I've seen the rest of the InuYasha anime on Cartoon Network. I guess I could say that it has a very... Rumiko Takahasi-like ending. However, I think it would be more accurate to say that they quit waiting for an ending to the manga that wasn't happening, but wanted to keep the story open in case there was a sequel anime to finish the InuYasha story.

I yelled at the TV when I saw the ending to InuYasha, but my yelling didn't fix anything. 160+ episodes and THIS is the ending??
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Wishy-washy inconclusive endings can be a serious problem with anime that end before the manga does. I love the anime Wallflower, but they did a lousy job of ending it. Especially frustrating is that I could see where they were in the manga story when they ended, and they could have easily turned it into a better ending. Let's see... the Fruits Basket anime was pretty non-existent too.

On the other hand, Ouran High School Host Club has a nice ending to the anime, where the manga-ka actually wrote an ending specifically for the anime. Ghost Hunt also does a nice job of ending the anime for an unfinished manga & novel series. Revolutionary Girl Utena has a good ending, too...

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"I was very surprised when the story, or at least the Naraku story arc, didn't end at Mount Hakurai when all the players were present."

Me, too, and I think that is also where I started getting frustrated with her inability to wrap up a story line. All the pieces were there--I can't see what the story gains by drawing it all out. I kept on reading for awhile, though I've fallen farther behind on the anime (in part because it's a lot more expensive) than I have the manga. Sigh. I'll still finish it, but it would have been a much more better over all series if she hadn't drawn it all out.

I agree with the filler episodes in the anime, though. It's a really nice balance of filler episodes--such as encounters with various creatures that have pieces of the shards--spin off side plots, and the overarching plot.

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InuYasha and getting tired because the story is drawn out--YES!!

One thing I'll say the InuYasha anime did RIGHT is to space out their filler episodes. Smaller filler story arcs kept my momentum going in the anime, as opposed to 100 straight episodes of filler for Naruto and a giant Bount story arc in Bleach that doesn't fit too neatly in between the real story arcs.

I loved InuYasha, both the anime and the manga. I even found someone online who received Shonen Sunday, where InuYasha first appears in Japan. He would translate each chapter and describe images (not quite a fan-subbed manga), and I would eagerly look for his weekly installments to get my InuYasha fix beyond the manga and anime I was buying. I was very surprised when the story, or at least the Naraku story arc, didn't end at Mount Hakurai when all the players were present. I kept reading & watching. Miroku and Sango got engaged and STILL the story showed no signs of ending.

Then, around chapter 450 in my weekly online translations (around book 45), the translator included a note from the manga-ka, Rumiko Takahashi. She said that she's planning to go to at least 500 chapters (50 books), because she still has so many stories to tell. WHAT?!?!?!! This is just milking a story for all it's worth and then some!
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InuYasha FINALLY ended after 54 volumes, but I was so disgusted with her $$$-making rambling that I quit buying the manga and anime and sold what I'd already bought. (She had a lousy, non-ending to Ranma 1/2 after 38 volumes too!)

I have plushies and keychains from the series, and Miroku was my second-favorite character ever. What a tragic ending to a great manga love affair!
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Maison Ikoku is one of the few Rumiko Takahashi works I haven't read. I can get addicted to cheese! Maybe I should see if my library has THAT--I just got laid off, so my manga buying is extremely curtailed.

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Love Hinea was over the top in so many ways, and yet it all somehow worked. Though it would have been nice if Naru had, as you said, gotten less violent over time. Then again, it made fun of itself for how abused poor Keitaro was! So he probably felt that having Naru continue to be violent was in keeping with that theme.

I just moved and I haven't even found the local library yet, so I have no idea what it has in terms of either anime or manga! It's definitely worth checking out.

Moving the peach man story made absolutely no sense to me. It played a number of important plot/character roles in it's original placement, but when they moved it they had to full its original purpose in other ways. Which more or less worked--but then when they brought back peach man, it had not only lost its original purpose but they had to come up with reasons to get rid of the characters who weren't in it--because originally it happened before they joined the party! It just made no sense.

I loved both the manga and the anima, but I conefss I've gotten behind on both because I was getting tired with how drawn out the story was getting. I think the only story that Rumiko Takahashi has managed to finish in a reasonable length of time is Maison Ikoku (which I love the manga, though when I first started I thought it was really cheesy and then became addicted to it. I have not seen much of the anime, not enough to really form any opinions about it).

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I loved Love Hina too! My only complaint was that I wish Naru had gradually become less violent with Keitaro. She hits him on their wedding day, for heavens sake!

Negima! doesn't have that problem. There IS a Naru-like character, she IS violent toward our hero, but that lessens and stops as she gets to know him better. I really, REALLY like Negima!, so I hope you get a chance to read it. My local library has Negima!, maybe yours does too.

I also agree with you about the InuYasha anime. I was flabbergasted when they moved the Peach Man story!

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Which one you see or read first can make a difference, definitely.

I want to read Negima! Magister Negi Magi! I'm not familiar with that series, but I really loved Love Hina. Both the anime and the manga, though I prefer the manga. I'd love to read another series by the same author, and that one sounds like a good one.



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Great point! That's true about preferring one over the others on a series-by-series basis. And absolutely fight scenes are less confusing in anime.

"Negima! Magister Negi Magi" I feel is much better in the manga than the anime. The anime tries to turn the story into "Love Hina with a touch of boy wizard", which was extremely disappointing for me. *sigh* Just because they have the same author doesn't mean they're the same work.

Then again, I prefer the original anime of Fullmetal Alchemist to the manga. I enjoy the manga, but for some reason I like the anime better. Maybe it's because I was exposed to the anime first, but I prefer the art in the anime over the original manga.

I agree with your opinion of Escaflowne anime and manga. I'll be curious to see how Kyo Kara Maoh! turns out. It's also a manga being written after the anime.

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I think it would be a hard call to choose anime or manga across the board. I love both, often for somewhat different reasons. I love manga because I love to read anyway, and curling up on a couch with a stack of manga is a lovely way to spend an afternoon, and yet the individual volumes are quick enough reads that they have always made good study breaks. I also love the artwork--so many of them have just incredible artwork. It's one of the reasons I was disappointed when Tokyo Pop switched to the smaller volumes--they were slightly cheaper (which is definitely a plus; manga and anime is a rather expensive addiction) but the smaller page didn't do as well at showcasing the art.

Anime is great for other reasons--it brings thing to life by giving the images voice and movement. Sometimes the scope of the anime makes it easier to follow--fight scenes tend to be less confusing in anime than in manga, for example, and anime often has more space (or time?) to develop the story lines.

But really it boils down to specific series. Kenshin? I prefer the anime--though it's a close call.

Inu-Yasha? I prefer the manga, mostly because I don't think some of the changes in the order of the plot made as much sense as it did in the original (the Peach Man story line is way out of sequence, for example, and required some jury rigging as a result to make it fit) and I tend to prefer the original designs for demons in the original in the cases where they were changed for the anime.

Escaflowne? The anime is clearly the winner here, largely because it came before the manga and non of the manga as far as I can see embrace all of Escaflowne--it tends to focus on one element of it, such as the mecha, rather than the whole.

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5/28/09 3:37 A

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True, true... it's really nice to just see a story come to life with anime.

One advantage to liking BOTH manga and anime is that sometimes the treatment and/or endings are different. If you don't like the way the story ended in one, you can check out the other and hope for something better!
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I prefer anime, most definitely. I can just sit back and watch/listen and it comes to life for me.
With manga, I kind of have ADD and I get sidetracked and... it just doesn't appeal to me as much. I still like it, of course - just nowhere near as much as how I like anime.

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I agree with both things of anime and manga.

Manga IS accessible anytime anywhere as you can carry it with you basically wherever you go. You can take it at your own pace and ponder to understand exactly the current situation in the manga you are reading about.

Anime, on the other hand, is truly enjoy able to watch wherever you can find a television with anime networks/shows, a VCR or DVD player, possibly even a computer to play your DVD.

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Hmmm... That IS true. Anime is more of a treat for me, whereas manga is my "fix." Especially an anime I really like!

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hmmm... I really enjoy anime better. Granted manga is more accessible and can be enjoyed when ever but since that isn't always possible with anime, I find anime to be more of a treat!



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Another point in favor of manga over anime, is that manga can be enjoyed whenever, (mostly) wherever, and for whatever time you have available. With anime, you need a something to watch it on and need to allocate a block of time (half hour, hour, or whatever).

For a quick fix, manga can't be beat!
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Ooooh. Tough choice! I like manga because I can savor it at my own pace and use my imagination more. However, I like anime because the characters come alive. It becomes an experience.

Hmmm... I'm not sure if I've ever added any male characters to my personal anime harem based on the manga alone. I guess I'll have to go with anime too.

No! Wait! Manga! No! Anime!

I don't know. A good manga always makes me want to see the anime, and a good anime always makes me want to read the manga.

*mumble* I'll vote anime, but not by much...
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I would prefer anime cause I love watching and hearing the people talking and how they react to different things! It's totally awesome! Hehe!

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