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3/15/12 4:17 P

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No problem, Tiff. I am so sorry that your little girl has had such a rough go of it. I agree with you, in her case, CIO wouldn't work. My little man had no issues other than he didn't want to put himself back to sleep and was using me as his paci. He hasn't taken a paci or hasn't found thumb therapy emoticon so with a little bit of work ((and I do say a little -- he was fairly easy)) he is sleeping peacefully through. Some nights he still wakes up to nurse, like last night he woke up at 2 to nurse but was legitimately hungry I am MORE than okay with that but the every two hour thing when he wasn't hungry... it was killing me!

I hope that things for your little girl can improve. Poor thing! emoticon

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3/15/12 1:25 A

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Nevermind, I see in another thread that your little man is sleeping though again. How nice that must be! :-)

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3/14/12 9:19 P

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I hope he's starting to sleep better for you by now... It's been a while since you originally posted this thread.

But I just wanted to say that I totally understand how you're feeling regarding the sleep deprivation. Except that my Lexi hasn't slept through the night more than 2-3 times in the 7 months since she was born. Only a couple times and those were flukes because the next day she was waking up a lot again. She's been sick so often since she was born that she usually only sleeps 2-4 hours in a row. We're starting to make improvements but it lasts for 2-3 days at a time and then she's back to waking up all the time. It sucks, and I'm more exhausted than I've ever been in my life. Not functioning at work *at all*. My brain is mush!

I don't believe that CIO is the best choice for my daughter. I think it works for some and I don't judge those who utilize sleep training like it, but you know your baby. If you think that it could work, maybe give it a try. I have done it with Lexi once or twice but she cries, falls asleep, and then wakes up 5 minutes later even more upset. She almost always falls asleep just fine at the beginning of the night but one night she wouldn't let me put her down (this was a couple weeks ago) so I went through the CIO/pickup/put-down process for like an hour before I just gave up and put her in bed with me. She was so upset that she spit-up all over herself and I just couldn't take it anymore. I'm not a co-sleeper either so I get that you don't want to do that. Lexi and I both sleep better when we have our own space. I only do it when I'm desperate and nothing else has worked.

Lexi takes a paci though, loves it *way* too much, we're gonna have an interesting time parting with that when she's a little older. But she also wakes up for it a lot. Half the time when she wakes up she'll take the paci, and when she won't take it 3x in a row, I feed her. I figure maybe she is really hungry... and I guess if she wants me for comfort then I'm just happy that I can give her what she needs at that point. She eats faster at night too but I honestly think it's more that she just eats better when sleepy. Less distracted with the surroundings, ya know?

I have no advice since Lexi has never really slept through the night and doesn't sleep well in general due to always being sick (and I mean, always, no joke)... I know what it's like to be tired. Right now, I feel like I'm just going to keep holding on to this notion that eventually her night feedings will spread apart on their own... when she's ready. She hasn't been anything textbook, so I'm not surprised that her sleeping is not textbook either.

I hope your LO starts sleeping better soon if he hasn't already. It's tough being a breastfeeding mama sometimes, isn't it?

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3/5/12 6:14 P

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I know it's a killer but I just ride with it. They're still having monthly growth spurts, nursing for comfort due to development spurts or teething, maybe having some colic etc. My daughter is 8months this week and she's started nightwaking the last couple of nights, she was up from 3.30-5.30am on Saturday night for no apparent reason, just lay in bed with me playing with her clothes and nursing on and off - no crying or drama, just didn't want to be asleep. It drives me bonkers because she doesn't really nap either, just 30-60mins at lunch, and my 2.5year old doesn't nap so I don't get a chance to catch up at all but I think I'm just immune to it now lol. She was up and down last night from what I remember but it's all a blur. I'm putting it down to a growth spurt but she doesn't have any teeth yet so could be them causing her some discomfort so she needs the sucking as pain relief to get back to sleep.

I agree with the white noise suggestion. There's a fabulous white noise recording on youtube if you just search for White Noise. When my daughter's overtired in the day and won't nap, or there's too much going on, I just hold her close and rock her with the white noise playing on my phone through YouTube, or the laptop if you don't have a smartphone/web access.

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2/22/12 12:56 P

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I understand what you are saying ALP. my daughter was doing this a couple weeks ago. She would not nurse for the 10-15 she would only nurse for 7 mins or so. When I talked with the health nurse she claimed she was a more efficient eater now. I however bec I have been so tired at night, I have been nursing and laying her down beside me in bed. She sleeps so good when she is right beside me, and she nurses very well also. My breasts are empty each time she nurses and, she has began to have Yellow poop again. So I think my baby uses me as a paci also, but if she is getting nutrition out of it... I don't worry. You could pump and give a bottle at night ? maybe your dh would be able to give the bottle. This would allow you to have more sleep. Is you son going through a growth spurt?

So Here are my tips for self soothing. Record your heart beat, This is second nature to a baby and love the sound of your heart. You could also try White noise, or a fish tank... the sound of trickling water may put him to sleep for you. Music playing lightly in the background?

Is he cold at night? or hungry or just wanting his cuddle time?

I would say it will change in three weeks. If not maybe ask the dr. again.
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2/20/12 1:00 P

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Um, let's see, last night I was up with him 5 times. No, it isn't hunger. He went down at 7:30, up again at 9:30, up again at 11:30, again at 1:30 and then again at 3-ish then he decided to sleep until 7:00 this morning. Little stinker. I understand the small stomach thing. This is the 4th baby I've breastfed. When he wakes, sometimes it is a fussing thing that inevitably leads to full out crying. I was considering trying to pop a paci in his mouth when he wakes instead of getting him up. He will take them, it just doesn't last.

I am not sure about the CIO methods either. If I were to do anything, it would be a Ferber method of going in to rub his tummy and talk to him, point to the guys in his crib, etc. His doctor says that it is the method she prefers (and used herself).

I understand that it is short lived, in the grand scheme. I just feel useless to my older kids sometimes. With three older ones, I am at a loss....

Thanks for your input, though.

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2/20/12 12:46 P

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So is he waking just once a night or more? Once a night I'd still bet on hunger even if he's nursing for a few minutes. They are efficient at getting milk out quickly so he may be getting just enough to tide him over. Babies start to get more active around 7 mos too with crawling and moving and they burn more energy so hunger may increase at night because they are so busy during the day.

If he's waking more than once, then yes, he may just be looking for comfort. I don't have advice on self soothing if he's not a thumb sucker or using a paci. Sucking is a soothing activity and without something to satisfy that, not sure what will help. Some babies just have more of a need to suck. My first was like this and I felt like a human pacifier, but none of the others were like that.

When he wakes is he just fussing a little or really crying? I would let him fuss a little and see if he can go back to sleep.

I do not advocate crying it out. Babies look to the parent for comfort and I think we need to give it until they are older and can be a little more independent. That's just my view. But you have to decide what will work best for you.

Sorry I can't help more. Dr. Jay Gordon has some good info on this though, google him to see what comes up.

All I can say is that in the big scheme of things, this will be a relatively short time to suffer through-though I KNOW it seems like forever. ;) I remember thinking I would never have a full night's sleep again and praying for just another hour before baby woke.

Hang in there.

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2/19/12 7:05 P

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No, I don't co-sleep. I haven't co-slept with any of mine and I don't think starting it now is the right answer. He sleeps better when he's in his crib. He has actually slept through the night until he hit that 4 month stage when their sleep patterns change. I've read quite a few articles about it.

That is the issue. I see what you're saying about nursing at night, but I don't think he is hungry. He nurses 2-3 minutes (maybe 5 at the most) and zzzzzzz is sound asleep. I don't legitimately think it is a hunger thing. I think it is a pacifying thing, if that makes any sense? I understand that all babies are different, I am not comparing to the rest of mine, I was using that as an example to say I ::should:: know what I am doing since this is my 4th but obviously I feel like a dummy, like he's my first, lol.

I wouldn't have a problem with it if he was night nursing out of hunger. Since I don't think it is that, I guess I am looking for some input on how to teach him to self soothe so he can go back to sleep on his own. Looking at the wake/sleep patterns and how often it is occurring, I think it is happening as he goes through normal wake/sleep patterns at night and when he hits those awake times (where like most of us turn over, fluff our pillows and go back to sleep -- just for example) he needs to suckle to go to sleep. It is getting tough.

Does that make sense?

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2/19/12 5:55 P

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First off, it's very normal for him to still be waking at night at this age. Many sleep experts will even say not to try to night wean until 12 mos of age because babies younger than 12 mos can be legitimately hungry at night because breastmilk is digested faster and their tummies are quite small. Each baby is different so even though the rest slept through the night, this might still be hungry at night.

You don't say if he's sleeping in your bed, but if not, I encourage you to think about it. I still night nursed my kids until they were past 12 mos but I didn't lose sleep because I would nurse for just a few minutes and then just roll right back over and go to sleep. I never got out of bed, turned on a light, or changed diapers or anything, just nursed for a few minutes and went back to sleep.

Hang in there!

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I know that feeling you're having right now. Like, you shouldn't be so uncertain...this isn't exactly your first go at this! It's this empathy I have that has motivated me to respond, since I haven't nursed in a year!

Anyway, is he crying really hard when he gets up? Because if he is...id give yourself permission to just give in a little longer to nursing. If the cry is not as frantic, you can try the "cry it out method".

My daughter, my first, was a textbook example of a baby. She nursed perfectly. Slept through the night at 3 months. The cry it out method worked just like they say. I thought "I'm awesome at this!". Then I had my son. I struggled every step of the way! Around 7-9 months old, I thought he'd be sleeping through the night...and he was still getting up several times! And, to make it worse, it wasn't even in regular intervals! I was desperate for sleep, like you. So, I tried letting him cry. But, it was awful, and after a week, I realized it wasnt working.

Anyway. Long story long, I read a little, talked to other moms, and came to the conclusion that I was just going to be screwed for a little while longer...maybe well after a year. I was able to get my son down easily too, so I held onto that. At least he could sleep in his own room, in his own bed! As soon as I accepted this, it got easier. He didn't sleep through the night until 11 months, and I didn't ween him until 14 months, but it was just easier...if that makes sense.

I guess my advice would be, trust your gut. Control what you can control. It was important to me to keep my bed NOT a family bed...so even though it sucked getting up several times a night, I put my kids in their own beds after every feeding (admittedly I might not hop right up after they were done!). And I tried to keep to a nighttime routine. So, even though I couldn't get DS to sleep longer, I could control those things. Eventually everything does fall into place.

If you don't think he needs to nurse you can try rocking him or just stroking his back. But, if nursing is the ONLY thing that gets him back down...maybe he does need it! maybe he just needs that top off?

I hope that helps. It helped me just knowing that other moms struggled with the same thing, and got through it.

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Hi guys! I am in need of some advice....

My little guy is almost 7 months old. He is still breastfeeding but is also taking solids as well (normally 2-3 times a day). I am having a bit of a tough time at the moment as he seems to have reverted back to his style of sleeping like he was when he was 1-2 months old. He goes down (yes, I do nurse him down) great. The problem is that when he wakes (I am assuming as he passes through his normal sleep cycles) he wants to nurse. He isn't nursing out of hunger but rather as a means to go back to sleep. Normally he nurses for 2-3 minutes before he's asleep (I normally give him 15-20 minutes before I unlatch him and lay him back down).

I feel so dumb. I don't know what to do. He is my 4th so I have been there with nighttime nursing, I guess I have been spoiled with my other 3 as they never went through this -- nursed down, stayed down. My other kids slept through the night at an early age. I guess at the moment I am *dying* as I am sooooo tired. I have got to be awake and alert as I am busy with my other three also. I need some suggestions. I google search it and I find different methods for sleep training. I don't know if that is the right answer or not. He isn't a thumb sucker I keep thinking that is the advantage that my older kids had is they would wake up, pop their thumbs in their mouths and back to dreamland they would go. He doesn't really do a paci. He'll take one, but normally he pushes it back out. I guess I could try that when he wakes up instead of getting him up.

I don't know... I am at a pure loss of what to do. In all fairness to him, I want him to be able to self soothe and when he reaches the normal sleep cycle transitions, be able to put himself back down, so I don't know. Any suggestions?????

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