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8/24/09 2:26 A

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Hi Mystic Angel

I agree that many people here may be able to adapt, but I think really what others and myself are saying is that it is extremely hard to work around many of the points in the original post.
Anyhow, you most likely understand what I am saying, I am sure.
Many of us have nerve damage, have fusions, so the people who have posted are just pointing out it doens't work for them that's all.
I hope you are one who can perhaps benefit from the original OP I would like to see those posts too.

Thats why this team is here, so we can talk about what works and what doesn't - and learn from each other too.

HUGS Embersidhe

Edited by: EMBERSIDHE at: 8/24/2009 (03:09)
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8/10/09 11:26 P

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thank you for this Journijae.. I know when people post things it doesan't always fit all people.. but thank you for the positive you bring to this team..sure there adaptations one has to make but attitude is always an adjustment that can be tuned, to bad some people can't see that

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8/1/09 3:44 A

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Hi JournieJae
I totally understand you are trying to be positive with this sort of post, but I have always leaned away from this.

I will tell you why.

I personally, and many others here cannot walk, cannot do things, and this team as I have said in other parts of the forum is not for a little tad of pain, nor simple things.
We have one member who is dear to me for example in a wheelchair.
This kind of general post would possibly upset her. I am not saying it would, but it could.

This team is intended for people who have had to adapt with lifestyle changes due to their pain, their surgeries, and the like. Nerve damage, such as footdrop, cauda equina syndrome, arachnoiditis.

I would like to keep it that way.
I have run this team for 3 years now, and it has always brought forth people whom want to complain, that is why I started this forum in the first place.

I never intended this to be a happy positive place. I want this to be somewhere people can come and say what they wish, and not feel they have to be happy all the time. I hope that doens't sound negative, I am far from negative to be honest, and am full of life.

Many of the members of the team know me, for me, are getting to know one another and support is always a huge plus.

I understand you want to be all positive, I do get that, but a lot of people come here not to hear that.

Thanks for listening
Embersidhe

Edited by: EMBERSIDHE at: 8/24/2009 (03:13)
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7/24/09 7:06 P

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I have spinal stenosis, among other things, I love to cook and keep my own house, generally just be self sufficient.. I am finding my back is worse and can't stand as long as I use to.. I am facing surgery which I am not looking forward to..it hurts to sit to long or to stand to long.. it get tiring.. thank you for your tips...

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If I am in a waiting room for a long time, I get up and walk around the waiting room and have been known to do a couple (subtle) stretches at the same time.

Re the movement with housework etc:

Laundry - try putting the dirty stuff at waist height to transfer into the machine. I do that when it is done take the laundry to the deck (about 25 feet away), put it on a stool and hang it on the clothes airer. When it comes in I put it on the couch to sort/fold, then put it away, briskly, 1 at a time and get in quite a bit of a walk doing that. No bending or twisting there.

Showering - I shower in a bath and when it comes to the lower part of my anatomy, I put my feet (obviously 1 at a time:-) onto the side of the bath to wash/shave. No bending etc. there, altho I do realise not everyone has a bath to use as a shower!

Dressing, I often sit on the side of the bed and use a piece of furniture (stool or drawers) to put my feet against if putting on socks etc. Pull all your tweeds up at one time instead of bending for a pr of knickers, then bending again to pull up trousers/jeans.

Shopping: I get the checkout baggers to only pack light weight (I have been known to request them to take some stuff out and do it lighter if need be. Then when I get home, I take 2 bags at a time (even weights) and walk briskly into the house - (Up some steps) and put them onto the couch and chairs, then when they are all in, I put them all away - again one at a time and briskly, and get in another walk again. No bending or twisting or heaving lifting there either.

Floors: Vacuuming you can do without twisting - hold the flexible part of the hose in the small of your back, and rather than twisting movements, step in the direction you are going instead. Losts of twisting avoided there. (I don't shift furniture, but go under a bit where I can.) With the Lino, I don't use a mop anymore, and haven't for about 3-4 years. Instead I have a large clean cotton rag (old towel) and spray the cleaner in small patches on the floor and use my foot on top of the rag to clean it. It causes a lot less problems for back, hips and shoulders.

The trash I take to the wheelie bin in small grocery bags, and then obviously being a "wheelie" bin, it gets wheeled to the roadside. We don't have much in the way of recyclables, and so that isn't heavy.

Meal prep doesn't cause me a problem. I start during the day, if my back is a bit sore, I sit. IF, however I have a lot of dishes to do (we don't have a dishwasher) I find I will often need to sit 2-3 times for a few minutes to give my back a break. Occasionally I have to do that for just a few dishes too. I was a professional cook (Tourist Tearooms and then as sole cook in a Rest Home cooking for up to 40 people) and because of my physical prob's can no longer do that because that IS very heavy going.

The above tips may not help everyone, but they may help some.

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7/24/09 3:52 P

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My ortho doctor said the same thing. Yet I sat waiting 1 1/2 hours to see him yesterday. I guess sitting for long periods in his office do not count. lol

Losing weight is the number one doctor recommendation
for relieving back and joint pain. Walking is the best exercise for losing weight. I was born in NY, used mass transit and walked a lot.

It is impossible to eliminate or only do one of these movement every half hour unless someone else does the work for me. Gotta bend, twist, lift, etc. when showering, dressing, preparing meals, shopping, cleaning, doing laundry, tossing trash, etc.

Muscle supports bone and joints. Any exercise that strengthens muscle, eliminates strain on bones and joints and results in good posture. The stronger the muscle, the less pain.

My doctor, physical therapist and trainer do not recommend lifting free weights (the type men use), but do recommend using weight machines, etc. Even waterize and arthritis classes utilize weights in class.

Muscle replaces fat, burns more calories for longer periods than other exercise and helps in weight loss.

Reverse sit up can be done while sitting in a chair by lifting both legs towards the stomach at the same time. There are chair exercise programs on cable tv.

Strong thigh (quad) muscles are important for walking, climbing steps, etc. Lack of strength or weak quads lead to falls, hip injuries, etc.

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My Family Doctor and an Orthopaedic Surgeon told me "no lifting, no bending, no twisting and no standing or sitting for long periods - go from one to the other every 1/2 hour or so" The lifting applies to a 5kg (approximately 11-12 lb)limit. I have a special orthopaedic back support and bum support in my car and that helped the pain a lot, and have a chair raiser and a GOOD quality office chair with good back support for the lumbar region. Having those aids, plus having the bed raised, has helped reduce pain and increase the amount of exercise I can do. If you think things thru and are of an analytical nature, you can actually figure out ways to improve your situation and make the most out of what you can do.

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I have 2 herniated discs and 2 enlarged discs and I was in severe pain when walking or standing for more than 5 minutes. I recently moved in NY and now I live near an elevated train, taking this train to and from work has really helped my back. Just from walking up and down those train stairs helped me lose a few pounds and I believe they say for every pound you lose it is equal to 4 pounds of pressure. I can walk further and stand without sweating from pain. Its hard but exercising really does help but I avoid any weight lifting and stick to low impact aerobic exercises. My favorite is dance aerobics.

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Wearing good supportive, appropriate footwear is really quite important for most people with back problems where it comes to walking exercise (as opposed to walking around the house or on sand.) I can't walk for very long - 1/2 hr and I'm suffering, so when I do it is broken down usually to 15-20 minute increments. Back stretches can be VERY beneficial for most of us - the ones where you are on your hands and knees, and sit back onto your heels with your head on the floor and your hands and arms above your head. Doing that relieves a lot of tension in my spine. One of the Physiotherapists I saw told me it was one of the best stretches for bad backs.

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Walking is weight bearing exercise and out for me. I have several fractured discs. I do not get the advice about not wearing shoes. I wear cross trainer sneakers per my physical therapist that provide good ache and foot support and Teva light weight swim shoes when I attend water arthritis or aerobics. Both shoes make a big difference in keeping me pain free. A recumbent bike is only one I can use since it supports my back. I also found that core exercises that strengthen my stomach and back ( reverse sit ups, etc.) decrease or eliminate back pain. I do lift weighs along with taking vitamin D daily but do avoid machines that strengthen the spine which my trainer said is bad for my back.

The arthritis society, ortho doctors and injury attorneys recommend pool exercises. I have doing pool exercise for 12 years and could not live without this. My gym has the most pool classes for disabled people.

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If you have chronic back pain, it can periodically put you out of commission and onto the couch.

Once you're feeling better, exercise can help prevent another bout with an aching back.

You should always check with your doctor before you begin any new activity. But here are some general guidelines about exercise and back pain, courtesy of the University of Michigan Health System:

Low-impact exercises such as walking, swimming or biking generally are safe for a sore back.If your muscles feel sore or tight, take a warm shower before exercising.Wear loose clothing, and don't wear shoes.Stop any exercise that causes pain Avoid exercises such as sit-ups, hip twists, toe touches, or any that involve backward arching.Avoid impact sports such as soccer, football and volleyball.Avoid any activity that may stress your back, such as lifting heavy weights.





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