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11/25/12 2:51 P

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Sorry if I sounded snarky, I was very crabby last night. I only wanted to state that weight can be one indicator of health but alone is fairly meaningless, so unless you have the whole picture: genes, history, bloodwork, etc, it seems unfair to suggest someone can't possibly be healthy at a certain weight.
I am much healthier now, eating more and focusing less on weight loss. I am finding that eating a unvariable amount of calories each day doesn't work well for me. Like you said, different people react to different factors. I find that if I eat little when I am not very hungry, even if it below SP's lower limit but also eat more when I am hungry, I do better. I have managed to begin to lose the 3 pounds I gained when I had a hysterectomy last December. I am also finding I feel better when I eat less carbs, not low carb by any means but less than Sp would tell me to eat. I also am changing my focus from cardio daily, to more intense cardio 3 times per week. I feel I need to build muscle for my health and ease of activity even if my values don't permit me to "do what it takes" to be lower weight and be fitter.
Really, on some level, the time and lifestyle we put into our weight and fitness is a value judgement. Having a healthy body is important but not as important and my faith or family and when there isn't time for both faith and family come first. Personally, I believe this physical life is very short in comparison to the eternity of afterlife I expect to experience so there is a limit to the benefit of weight loss and exercise for me. Other people feel differently.

Becky, wife to Mr Moo(Michael), mommy to Brianne, Chelsea, Audra Fiona and Bitty, grandma to Kiara, Oliver and Nova.
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11/25/12 11:55 A

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I am very appreciative of the position NancyAnn stated and how well she did it. Much better than I could write - perhaps that is why she does it for a living! IMHO, health comes first. By the way, she really helped me in the past by providing the knowledge I definitely needed (also with the encouragement to do what I needed to do all along the way).
Mooslady - I too have had a very hard time losing weight in the past by eating very little. It was so discouraging. What worked for me was the 17 day diet (loosely) because I believe of the protein element (though the diet did lead to undereating for me which I had to change). Having been a yoyoer all of my life, and a lifetime dieter, I observed with friends and family members that many of us seem to react very differently to different elements. For me, carbs pack on the pounds (no matter what my daily intake range is - which does seem to be around 1300 calories per day for maintenance). My DD stays thin and healthy on carbs, and not only is her protein intake small, she doesn't want it. DH just needs to stay within an intake range - doesn't matter if it is made up of ores's, doesn't affect his weight (though I am sure health is a different matter). It is widely believed that this is totally about calories in, calories out, yet I know many that have experienced differently - like me. That definitely makes it hard.
Catmagnet - just realized who you are since you have changed your pic! Was going to ask what you decided/what has happened but have followed your posts for the past month (did you ever go to the sports bar with your friend?). So instead, once again, congrats on all the weight you have lost!

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11/25/12 8:13 A

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I think we all need to figure out what weight works best for our own situation as far as attainable, sustainable and healthy. I do appreciate NancyAnn for "asking the hard questions" in a very kind, respectful and helpful way. Mooslady, I hope your health is much better now! It must have been terrible to have all those symptoms, not losing weight, getting pressure from the insurance company, and then be told you were lying about what you ate. :-(

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11/24/12 7:35 P

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I have to disagree with Nancyanne that a BMI over 25 equals unhealthy. I tried very hard to get my weight from 165 to 154 which is where a BMI of 24.9 starts for my height. I ate only 1200 calories and exercised moderately an hour every day. In order to get down to even 160, I had to cut my calories to 600-800 and walk or do exercise videos for 90 minutes per day, 7 days per week. My skin was painfully dry, my hair brittle and not growing much, I was freezing all the time, bad breath, aching, wounds didn't heal, dark circles under my eyes and very sallow skin. At my check up my cholesterol went UP, as did my blood pressure. It would be ridiculous to argue that if I had just continued, I would have magically been healthy 6 pounds lighter. My dr told me I would end up sick from malnutrition and osteoporosis before I got to my "healthy" weight and never ever to eat less than 1500 calories per day no matter what I weighed as a result. I ended up in counseling because I felt it was better to starve to death than be over my allowed BMI. This started as a result of the combination of my insurance company complaining about my excess 11 pounds and people on spark insisting that the only reason that 1200 calories and exercise wasn't working was that I was lying about how much I ate. Please don't suggest to the OP that being healthy and fit isn't enough, that she is lying to herself about her health and needs to conform to someone else's idea of health. BMI was never meant to be the definitive measure of health people use it as.


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10/19/12 5:05 P

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I'm curious about something- How are you getting your body fat percentage points?

I do respect what you are saying, and agree to a large degree, but please be aware that a "large frame" is often not as large as we thought it was once we get down closer to goal. emoticon emoticon I look large framed until I lose, then it becomes apparent that I am actually willowy in frame. (Well, as willowy as can be with wide-set hips. emoticon )

Also, those who truly are large framed usually aren't really THAT much bigger than the rest of the population. Perhaps a 5-lb difference. Not trying to discourage- I just deal with this stuff for a living and believe that knowledge is power.

Edited by: NANCYANNE55 at: 10/19/2012 (17:06)
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10/19/12 2:30 P

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That's the thing, NancyAnne. I get what you're trying to say, but all the metabolic stuff (blood sugar, cholesterol) as well as my blood pressure are in the normal ranges. I also have a large skeletal frame (not using it as an excuse), so according to some, I should even knock 10% off my BMI, which would put me in the overweight category instead of obese (27.54 vs. 30.6).

Again, not trying to make excuses, but not everyone is like you...some of us need a bit of a breather to just deal with a little something called "REAL LIFE" before they can proceed with the rest of the journey...

Jane

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10/19/12 11:34 A

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I completely get taking a break in weight loss. I have done that (life just threw too much at me to be able to keep it up and manage a bunch of stress, too), and support it fully. But to say you are "at goal" when you know you aren't in a good place for your health and heart is, I feel, dangerous territory.

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10/19/12 10:04 A

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I know what you are saying, NancyAnne, but I also think that sometimes we may need a break to evaluate and recharge, especially with a big weight loss. When I started losing weight in March 2011, I really didn’t see getting into a healthy BMI, much less maintaining it, as realistic. It took over a year to get out of the obese category and that was losing 10 lbs per month pretty consistently. I finally settled on a goal that was about 7 lbs over a healthy BMI, then lost 5 lbs my first two weeks of maintenance and decided to go for getting into an "officially" healthy weight. Even now I wish I wasn't at the top of the healthy range, but I don't want to keep pushing my body. I feel the important thing is taking at least some of the weight off, improving health and fitness, and of course everyone's situation is very individual.

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10/18/12 7:24 P

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I might get myself run right off of the board, but I'm gonna stick my neck out here and advise you err on the side of your health.

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10/18/12 4:50 P

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Those BMI charts only look at height and weight. That do not take into account bone size, muscle and other factors. If your blood pressure, cholesterol and other vital signs are normal and you feel good and can be active, I think going into maintenance is a wise choice. The longer you can maintain a certain weight, the better your chances are to keep it off forever. If you continue to lose with resentment, results will not be good and the scale may move the wrong way.

You can always maintain for a year or two and decide at that time if you want to lose more.
Congratulations for losing that much weight. I admire that so much!
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10/18/12 4:20 P

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Love meeting all you Tennessee/East Coast gals.

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10/18/12 3:38 P

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AWESOME! Would love to meet up! Please PM me with the particulars. :)

Jane

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Move-It Memphis 10K 2013 - 55:36
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10/18/12 3:20 P

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Jane & Earnie...

I'm NC born and bred, but my DH is a Knoxville native. We have a bluetick coonhound a la Smokey, although ours is named Rufus. =)

Go Vols! Beat the Tide!

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10/18/12 3:08 P

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LUCK!! And best wishes - you can do it!!

And hey - I'm going to be in Memphis for the St Jude half marathon on Dec. 1 (along with my daughter and another SparkFriend). Let me know if you'd like to meet for coffee or something - we are staying at the Marriott.

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10/18/12 2:50 P

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Christie, of COURSE you can hijack the thread for something as great as that! emoticon

And MAUITN, I'm a 5'5" pear, so I have some weight in my lower abdomen and thighs, but in my latest "tale of the tape" last week, I lost inches all over, especially in my hips. By the way, hello from Memphis! Glad to see another Volunteer here!

I've been going "balls to the wall" for nearly 10 months now with the weight loss, and I'm ready to be one size for a while...then we'll see if/when I decide to continue.

So I'm off to reset my ticker and weight loss thingy to 180 and go from there. Wish me luck!

Jane

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Turkey Trot 4 Mile Race 2012 - 38:38
Ugly Sweater 5k Fun Run 2012 - 27:19
Move-It Memphis 10K 2013 - 55:36
Germantown Half Marathon - 2:08:53
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10/18/12 2:27 P

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May I hijack this thread to say how awesome this team is?

You guys ROCK!

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10/18/12 2:23 P

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As you build muscle you may find that you actually lose fat and gain weight since fat is less dense than muscle. When I last saw my Endocrinologist I weighed 180 pounds. He was happy with my weight loss but cautioned me about losing too much weight. He felt that getting down to "chart" weight was not necessarily the right thing for me.
Congratulations on your success!
I concur with living with your current weight for a while and deciding if you want to lose more later. That is what I plan to do when I get down to 160 which still leaves me overweight.

Edited by: MENNOLY at: 10/18/2012 (14:55)
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10/18/12 2:00 P

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Jane,

You have lost over 100 pounds. That’s an amazing accomplishment and you should feel good about what you have done. I see nothing wrong in taking a break and maintaining what you have lost. I don’t know how tall you are or where you are carrying your extra weight (tummy, etc.) and that might make a difference in the long run for your health. But for now, enjoy where you are.


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10/18/12 1:53 P

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Also, is it possible to lose fat but not lose weight? I want to continue to work on getting fitter, so obviously, that information is important to me as well.

Thanks for the feedback so far! It's been great!

Jane

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Turkey Trot 4 Mile Race 2012 - 38:38
Ugly Sweater 5k Fun Run 2012 - 27:19
Move-It Memphis 10K 2013 - 55:36
Germantown Half Marathon - 2:08:53
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10/18/12 1:50 P

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Marilyn... that's an excellent point. Settle into maintenance where you are now and see how you feel.

BTW, the verse in your signature is one of my most favorite. =)

~Christie in NC

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10/18/12 1:39 P

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I don't think its wrong AT ALL! In fact I think it may be a very positive thing to do. Let's face it, maintenance isn't easy. You've already made a huge change in your life, now you get to maintain it. There is nothing to say you can't maintain at this weight then, if you choose, decide to lose more weight later. That's what I did - went from 192 to 155 then maintained between 155 and 160 for almost 3 years. That's when I found SP and decided to try once more to lose more weight. But I was perfectly happy in those three years and don't regret them at all!!

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First of all, big congrats on your amazing loss! That is no small feat.

Secondly, it is NOT wrong to find a place where you are happy and healthy regardless of an imperfect chart.

I love this article about "best weight:" the next to last paragraph in particular.

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Good luck to you!!!


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10/18/12 1:12 P

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So I've whittled my body down to about 184 pounds from an all-time high of 285. Don't get me wrong, I love the new lifestyle I have with the exercise and healthy eating, but I also like what I see in the mirror, can fit into cute clothes, and my body is now able to do a lot of what I want it to do. Is it so wrong that I want to stop the weight loss and start in maintenance mode, even though my body fat at 36.2%, BMI is now 30.6 and I'm still technically obese?

I normally don't care about what people in general think about me as a person as a rule, because I really like who I am, but we're talking my health here, so it's a much different issue...and my health is definitely important to me.

I'm really struggling here, so any input would be great. Thanks! :)

Jane

Camp Good Grief 5k 2012 - 31:50
Gobble Wobble 5k 2012 - 30:00
Turkey Trot 4 Mile Race 2012 - 38:38
Ugly Sweater 5k Fun Run 2012 - 27:19
Move-It Memphis 10K 2013 - 55:36
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